ISI behind 26/11, from start to end: Home Secy

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I would not suggest, agree or appreciate any such loss of human lives in this fashion.

@topic: Home secratory is not a news reporter or blogger. While I agree India does not seem to have concrete proof of ISI involvement, he certainly must have some information about some rogue elements. I understand his (or rather anybody's) comments does not hold much weightage in court. There might be some purpose behind it, at this point of time.

Propaganda and continued vilification of Pakistan out of that hatred that is brainwashed into so many Indians.

HS's government position does not make his comments any more credible - otherwise the comments of Musharraf, Rehman Malik and Pakistani LEA's, regarding Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan, would also have to be given equal weight.

 

[gubbi]

Propaganda and continued vilification of Pakistan out of that hatred that is brainwashed into so many Indians.

HS's government position does not make his comments any more credible - otherwise the comments of Musharraf, Rehman Malik and Pakistani LEA's, regarding Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan, would also have to be given equal weight.

Dont you get it? The timing of such comments?

Wasnt there a similar comment before Foreign Sec levels talks, i.e. a couple of days before FS Nirupama Rao visited Pakistan?

This time the comments come before the FM level meetings. IMHO, this is just pressure tactics to wring out as much as possible form the talks, maintaining pressure on the Pakistani counterparts.

Though I wouldnt rule out support of some elements within the ISI to such groups which want to see Indo-Pak relations simmer in distrust.
Just FYI, I and in my opinion, the GoI doesnt consider PA/ISI representatives of Pakistani people. Go figure.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Dont you get it? The timing of such comments?

Wasnt there a similar comment before Foreign Sec levels talks, i.e. a couple of days before FS Nirupama Rao visited Pakistan?

This time the comments come before the FM level meetings. IMHO, this is just pressure tactics to wring out as much as possible form the talks, maintaining pressure on the Pakistani counterparts.

Though I wouldnt rule out support of some elements within the ISI to such groups which want to see Indo-Pak relations simmer in distrust.
Just FYI, I and in my opinion, the GoI doesnt consider PA/ISI representatives of Pakistani people. Go figure.

I must say that you have a become a far more mature poster than you used to be.

Very valid point, but in terms of the impact of statements such as these on the average Indian and the subsequent impact on the Indo-Pak relationship and constraints/public pressure the Indian government will feel against making concessions/compromises in resolving disputes with Pakistan, these are extremely negative.

 

[Malik Usman]

As Foreign Minister S M Krishna leaves for Pakistan to talk peace, the government has said it has fresh evidence — based on the interrogation of 26/11 accused David Headley — to show that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist Hafiz Saeed played a "much more significant" role in planning and executing the terrorist attack on Mumbai than was earlier known.

In the first official statement on the interrogation of Headley — a US citizen of Pakistani origin who was arrested by US authorities in Chicago last year and questioned by a team from India in May — Home Secretary G K Pillai said it was now clear that both the ISI and Saeed were involved in the Mumbai attacks from the beginning till the end. Headley made several visits to India and is accused of scouting targets for the attacks.

"The real sense that has come out from Headley's interrogation is that the ISI has had a much more significant role to play (in the Mumbai attacks, than was earlier thought). It was not just a peripheral role. They (ISI) were literally controlling and coordinating it (the attacks) from the beginning till the end," Pillai said at Idea Exchange, an interaction with The Indian Express journalists here.

"The same goes for Hafiz Saeed. He was also not a peripheral player. He knew everything," Pillai said.

For example, Pillai said, Headley had told interrogators that at one point his wife had approached Hafiz Saeed and complained that he (her husband) was not giving her any time and neglecting her. Hafiz Saeed apparently told this to Headley. Headley then told Saeed that he was taking a few days off to be with his wife but in that case the "Bombay project" would suffer. At this point, Hafiz is said to have instructed Headley to continue working on the "Bombay project" and that his wife could wait, said Pillai.

"This was revealed by Headley himself. So this is the kind of importance Saeed attached to the Bombay project. Saeed was not someone who didn't know anything about it (the attacks)," Pillai said, adding that Headley had not just answered to the questions posed by the interrogators but also shared some gossip.

The Home Secretary said the government was hoping that during Krishna's two-day visit to Pakistan, starting Wednesday, Islamabad would share information on some concrete steps it had taken against the planners and perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks.

He said it was now Pakistan's responsibility to carry forward the investigation into the attacks. "We have given them a whole series of data, and information that we have. We have given them the names, we have given them the descriptions (of terrorists and their handlers), we have given them what their height is or their complexion is. Whatever descriptions we have been able to obtain from our investigations, we have shared them with Pakistan. Now it is up to them and all I can say is that their interior minister said (during Home Minister P Chidambaram's visit to Pakistan last month) and I quote 'You would not be disappointed in our response'. So we have to wait and see how much they can do."

ISI behind 26/11, from start to end: Home Secy - Yahoo! India News

Pakistan ISI behind Mumbai attacks--India official | Reuters

Well after one year if you will keep Deer under custody he will start saying that he is elephant...
I even now couldn't understand from the beginning that when the attack was happend within 30 mins Indian media started to say its Pakistan.....What magic they have to know that it is must Pakistan....

Secondly what happening in Pakistan specially in our Province Balochistan.....and who is behind this and creating troubles for Pakistan and who supported to attach on Sri Lankan Team in Pakistan.....everybody knows.

 

[r3alist]

i guess india is worried about china/pak nuclear deal and developments in pakistan, really poor attempt by india here to pressure pakistan

 

[amit27]

ISI was even involved in the indian embassy blast in kabul reported by the
USA media, in Uk they showed a full documentary on the 26/11 attacks including the phone recordings commanding the terrorists to kill innocents i will post it here for people to see

 

[amit27]

Dispatches - Terror in Mumbai - Channel 4

The untold story of 2008's terrorist attack, in the words of its victims and the gunmen. The programme contains graphic images and descriptions of the atrocity which may upset some viewers. Produced and directed by award-winning filmmaker Dan Reed, Terror in Mumbai tells the story of what happened when 10 gunmen held one of the world's busiest cities hostage; killing and wounding hundreds of people while holding India's crack security forces at bay.
Featuring footage of the attacks and interviews with senior police officers and hostages, including the testimony from Kasab - the sole surviving gunman, Dispatches reveals what happened, hour by hour, from the perspective of the security forces, the terrorists, their masterminds and the victims.
Award: Bafta; current affairs. 2010

 

[RescueRanger]

Onus of evidence is on India.

 

[amit27]

Onus of evidence is on India.

Evidence was provided by David Hedley and the telephone recording of a pakistani major in the army who directs the attack on innocents i suggest u watch the above documentary to hear the recordings intercepted.

 

[RescueRanger]

Evidence was provided by David Hedley and the telephone recording of a pakistani major in the army who directs the attack on innocents i suggest u watch the above documentary to hear the recordings intercepted.

Pfft... Please! How about you take a look at the "foreign influence Ops" run by Indias "Ministry of External Affairs".

Then come back to me.

 

[amit27]

Pfft... Please! How about you take a look at the "foreign influence Ops" run by Indias "Ministry of External Affairs".

Then come back to me.

But my point was that evidence is already been provided both people who were caught and other evidence 1) David headly 2) Kasab 3) Recording of a pakistan major directing the attacks on innocents all show ISI role in 26/11.

In the court of law this is deemed evidence whether Pakistan accepts this as prove is other thing.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Onus of evidence is on India.

u know something that mr. zardari has accepted that mumbai incident was orchestrated by so called non state actor from pakistani soil. so tell me who will collect the evidence??? all the planning and coordinations had done from pakistan. coordinators were the non estate actor. so pls enlighten us who has the moral and legal responsibility to collect evidence from their own soil?? waiting for ur reply.

 

[Devil Soul]

ISI was even involved in the indian embassy blast in kabul reported by the
USA media, in Uk they showed a full documentary on the 26/11 attacks including the phone recordings commanding the terrorists to kill innocents i will post it here for people to see

The same UK & US reports/media ur referring to also showed reports & documentaries showing Iraq as having WMD's & chemical weapons etc, where r the WMDs??? Chemical Weapons blah blah.... so plz spare us the crap ur referring from UK/US media ....

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Evidence was provided by David Hedley and the telephone recording of a pakistani major in the army who directs the attack on innocents i suggest u watch the above documentary to hear the recordings intercepted.

David Headley hasn't provided anything - only the Indian media and the Indian HS is claiming this. Headely was interrogated by the FBI and US LEA's - why did this not come out then? If Headley did indeed make these claims, then they should be a matter of court record and provided to Pakistan by US authorities, so that their veracity can be checked.

One cannot just say 'Headley said XYZ, and if say he did it must be true'.

And what Army major? Where is the evidence that the guy on the tape is an Army major or anyone related to the Army or any other institution? Just because India makes sh*t up and propagates its propaganda hysterically does not make that Sh*t any truer or valid.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

u know something that mr. zardari has accepted that mumbai incident was orchestrated by so called non state actor from pakistani soil. so tell me who will collect the evidence??? all the planning and coordinations had done from pakistan. coordinators were the non estate actor. so pls enlighten us who has the moral and legal responsibility to collect evidence from their own soil?? waiting for ur reply.

And Pakistan is collecting evidence and conducting an investigation based on information provided by India - that is why there are I believe 7 accused under trial in Pakistan, including the alleged masterminds, Lakhvi and Shah.

Now India's problem is that it wants to settle old scores and wants HS to be punished because he used to be the leader of the LeT and is still seen as influential, never mind whether he had any involvement in the Mumbai attacks or not. Indian propaganda has convinced Indians that he is guilty, though no credible evidence backing up Indian claims on HS has been provided either.