Is Turkey the Punching Bag?

[hussain0216]

Turkey is the second biggest military in NATO and is getting stronger with big plans for the future

You have over 100 F35s coming a programme you have been involved in for about 2 decades

Focus on what you need to increase Turkish ability to stand on its own

 

[OguzSenturk]

Of course, the US or any other country will slap if you make stupid decisions for the last 16 years

16 years?

USA is supporting PKK in last 40 years.
USA is supporting Fethullah in last 40 years.
USA is supporting DHKP-C in last 35 years.
USA is supporting Menzil & Süleymancılar & Nurcular in last 30 years.

and you get angry when others tell you that you are a çomar hoşt amk

 

[Tiberius]

Turkey is the one who stands still and being punched by USA, not the other way around. US already showed it's interest to cut it's banking system towards Turkey, ban military sales (including F35) to Turkey, taxing Turkish goods with %50 taxes. USA is the aggressor one, Turkey is the one being punched and stays silently

We gotta show that they either STOP PUNCHING TURKEY RIGHT NOW, or their arm will be cutten off in this region, and US will lose it's connection to Caucasus, Central Asia, Blacksea, northern Middleeast as a whole. The ball will be in US hands.

Taking EU citizens as hostages, insulting all austrians, dutch and germans as nazis. Trying to force european countries to accept turkish politicians speeches on their soil...

Italy too is part of the F35 program. Turkey chose the russian S400 defense system and with that decission endangers the italian airforce by giving data to russia. The americans are not accepting this.

Btw the next blast waits, the EU cancelled the ariff free zone talks with Turkey.

 

[AlohanAkua]

This is what I've heard on the US side: The reason Trump is on the warpath w/ Turkey was cuz Trump & Erdogan made a deal where Trump helps Turkey get back one of their citizens being held in Israel, and in return Turkey releases Brunson. Trump makes the call to Israel, Israel releases the Turkish citizen, Erdogan reneges and denies there ever was a deal. Trump feels betrayed, takes it personally, so the present situation.

WORLD NEWS
JULY 27, 2018 / 3:03 AM / 14 DAYS AGO
Israel says Trump sought Turkish detainee's release, Ankara denies deal

Dan Williams, Tulay Karadeniz
3 MIN READ

JERUSALEM/ANKARA (Reuters) - Israel confirmed on Friday a U.S. newspaper report that President Donald Trump had requested its release of a Turkish woman accused of Hamas ties, while Ankara denied ever agreeing to free a detained American pastor in return.

FILE PHOTO: Turkish citizen, Ebru Ozkan, who was arrested at an Israeli airport last month, being brought to an Israeli military court near Migdal, Israel July 8, 2018 REUTERS/Nir Elias/File Photo
Israel deported Ebru Ozkan on July 15, a week after indicting her for smuggling money and goods to the Palestinian Islamist militant group while visiting as a tourist - charges her lawyer denied and which angered Turkey.

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• Reports of deal between U.S., Turkey over Israel detainee release 'baseless': Turkish official

The Washington Post reported on Thursday that Trump had asked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a July 14 phone call to let Ozkan go in what the White House envisaged as an indirect trade for Pastor Andrew Brunson.

“I can confirm that there was such a request by President Trump,” an Israeli official said on condition of anonymity, without elaborating on whether this effected Ozkan’s release.

The U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem had no immediate comment.

FILE PHOTO: Turkish citizen, Ebru Ozkan, who was arrested at an Israeli airport last month, is being brought to an Israeli military court, near Migdal, Israel July 8, 2018 REUTERS/Nir Elias/File Photo
Brunson, arrested for alleged links to a group that Ankara blames over a 2016 coup attempt, was moved to house arrest on Wednesday - prompting the Trump administration to threaten sanctions against fellow NATO-power Turkey.

The pastor denies the charges against him. Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has in the past linked his fate with that of U.S.-based Muslim cleric Fehullah Gulen, whom Turkey wants to try as the chief coup-plotter. Gulen has denied any such role.

Ankara said it had not agreed to any Ozkan-Brunson swap.

“Those reports are completely baseless,” a senior Turkish official said. “The Turkish government has no intention of meddling in the affairs of the country’s independent judiciary.”


Ozkan had been held by Israel on “bogus terrorism charges,” the Turkish official added.

At the time of Ozkan’s release, another Israeli official told Reuters that among the reasons was that, upon review, prosecutors deemed her case too weak to warrant pursuing. But her Israeli lawyer, Omar Khamaisi, said on Friday that the indictment against his client had yet to be withdrawn.

Returning to Istanbul on July 16, Ozkan said Erdogan had been “kind enough to be very interested in my case”. Khamaisi said he was unaware of the reported diplomatic deal around her release.

Writing by Dan Williams; Editing by Hugh Lawson

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...nees-release-ankara-denies-deal-idUSKBN1KH0PW

What's the Turkish take on all this, from the public's POV? Because Trump doesn't really strike me as the type to do something for nothing

 

[karajlo]

so its not economic crisis but war on turkey
and the strange thing is nobody wants to make big move like kick turkey out of nato or turkey leaving nato unilaterally

 

[hussain0216]

Trump feels betrayed, takes it personally, so the present situation.

Trump is a doofus there is no such deal,

 

[AlohanAkua]

Trump is a doofus there is no such deal,

Yeah I got that, thanks. Was hoping for avg. Turkish reaction & thoughts on this tho, cuz agn Trump isn't gonna do you any favors unless he has assurances he gets something in return. He's not really the "warm, generous, big-hearted" type

 

[Glass]

yeah, something has to happen one way another. I believe NATO exit is near- finally

 

[gangsta_rap]

If anything happens Euro countries might come in between and try to take the place of the US as a greater trade partner.

 

[Timur]

Banning your airspace and Bosporus are smart answers? In that case, you genuinely have no idea about how things work.

Stop with this pathetic threads bro it's not helping.

nobody would close that forever..

just annonce for 3 month on twitter and then ppl will begin to talk..

 

[Glass]

Banning your airspace and Bosporus are smart answers? In that case, you genuinely have no idea about how things work.

Stop with this pathetic threads bro it's not helping.

I dont think hes wrong. Turkey needs to react and closing the straits + incirlik are good options

 

[Dante80]

I dont think hes wrong. Turkey needs to react and closing the straits + incirlik are good options

I don't think that Turkey can legally close the straits. Turkey has in the past enforced the Montreux Convention as a matter of neutrality/principle (see US/NATO involvement in the 2008 Russo-Georgian War), but the only way to close the straits legally would be to be at war with the party you want to restrict access to. Turkey is not at war legally with the US, and if it ever will be (something that nobody really wants I think), managing the straits would be the least of its problems (since Turkey would be completely annihilated).

A move like that would also accelerate the financial crisis. "Closing" a military base is one thing (and Turkey has done so in the past too, as well as other countries), but going against an international treaty with very wide trade ramifications would be a terrible decision in my honest opinion.

 

[Dai Toruko]

My feelings: Seni de, ideolojini de, Papazınıda! Sen seçildiğinde sana yalamalık yapan Türkiye'deki medyayıda...! Orosbu Çocuğu Trump!

 

[OguzSenturk]

I don't think that Turkey can legally close the straits. Turkey has in the past enforced the Montreux Convention as a matter of neutrality/principle (see US/NATO involvement in the 2008 Russo-Georgian War), but the only way to close the straits legally would be to be at war with the party you want to restrict access to.

This is not correct. According to Montreux, Turkey can close bosporus in 3 conditions;

1) If Turkey is inside of one war, Turkey can close bosporus to anyone she wants, doesnt matter if those countries are in war or not, she can even legally close bosporus to her allies in the war.

2) If one country is at war with another country that has a coastline with Blacksea, Turkey can close bosporus for those participants in war, even if Turkey is not in that war.

3) If Turkey feels threatened by any country, she can close bosporus to that specific country, doesn't have to be in any war. (In this situation, it's USA)

 

[Dante80]

3) If Turkey feels threatened by any country, she can close bosporus to that specific country, doesn't have to be in any war. (In this situation, it's USA)

This wouldn't hold legally. For two reasons.

1. For merchant shipping, even credible danger of imminent war cannot stop the implementation of article 2 of the convention (see article 6). There is a provision for the vessels entering during the day and adhering to designated routes, but it is pretty much it.

2. For war vessels, article 20 may only be applicable if all signatories and two thirds of the UN agree that Turkey is justified in taking said measures (see article 21).

Using "the threat of imminent danger of war" provides no straightforward legal way to really close the straits against a country that you are not in war with. "Imminent danger of war" is something that Turkey cannot legally justify in this circumstance.
This is not an opinion, it is what it is.