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Japan? I though they remained isolated from this problem
IS threatens to kill Japanese hostages in new video
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Well, we already have deployed troops in Djibouti and this year planned to increase deployment of air , naval and ground personnel there, to increase activity in the Middle East and Africa. This hostage threat from ISIS -- may prove pertinent as it may be used by the Japanese National Diet -- as pretext to remove all constraints (whatever there is left) for the complete normalization of the Japanese Armed Forces, meaning offensive and pre-emptive strike doctrine. ISIS, in their myopic imbecility, have given the very reason and cause the Japanese Military Command have been waiting for -- for quite some time now.
Whatever the case, this is will definitely affect Japanese foreign policy. Our Defense Minister is Genera.Nakatani (recently selected by Abe) served as a General in the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, and is a long-time supporter of Shigeru Ishiba, and other members of the Nippon Kaigi --- considered an Ultranationalist Group. Nakatani has promised to that he will be ready to mobilize JSDF when and if the need arises.
This one of the first time that an actual General of the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force, and a member of the Nippon Kaigi -- is head of the Ministry of Defense -- and thus in direct command of Japan's Air, Naval, Ground and Special Forces. If he, with the approval of the Diet and the Prime Minister , and blessing of the Emperor, deems it necessary to deploy Japanese Military --- then it will be so.
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This guy has been executing prisoners in same exact area for past year now. Media reports also already published location. And Western intelligence can easily wiretap. He comes out of his little home in same area to threaten to execute these prisoners. Western coalition does nothing. This is a game.
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mercenary?
Is it okay, according to Japan's law, for japanese citizen to fight under flags other than japanese flag? regardless the motive of course.
Loool nihonji calm down , the mighty U.S/west and other Arab countries combined haven't been able to defeat them or free their hostages yet, and you think Japan can somehow manage to do this alone? Lool be realistic bro, there is nothing Japan can do other than pay the 200million I'm afraid.
Else they will behead those two Japanese like they did with our journalist and American ones. By the way Japan shouldn't get involve in this, trust me, it will only bring you trouble with little gain. Why did Japan openly said it gave money for fight against ISIS? should have just done it privately I think.
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I remember reading about Haruna Yukawa and other Japanese going to Syria as war tourist. If that is true then it’s hard to have any sympathy for him. The other went into Syria last October when all other reporters were leaving Syria as the situation became to unsafe to report there. These two are not going to have much sympathy from the Japanese people. Its either the Japanese government will pay the ransom or the most likely situation is that they are going to get killed. I hope the lesson is learned to other reporters, even if your non western you're still a legitimate target in the eyes of ISIS . If they are reporters dumb enough to still be in Syria leave ASAP.
Are you saying that the coalition has been merciful to ISIS? Or are you hinting at something else? (Civilians) because that's the only difference I can think of how the Japanese might act differently to the current way of fighting.
Are you saying that the coalition has been merciful to ISIS? Or are you hinting at something else? (Civilians) because that's the only difference I can think of how the Japanese might act differently to the current way of fighting.
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Loool nihonji calm down , the mighty U.S/west and other Arab countries combined haven't been able to defeat them or free their hostages yet, and you think Japan can somehow manage to do this alone? Lool be realistic bro, there is nothing Japan can do other than pay the 200million I'm afraid.
By the way Japan shouldn't get involve in this, trust me, it will only bring you trouble with little gain. Why did Japan openly said it gave money for fight against ISIS? should have just done it privately I think.
Japan has pledged $2.5 Billion to aid in reconstruction of war torn areas and to help the nations of Jordan, Egypt, Iraq. If ISIS believes that by threatening Japan with beheading of two of our citizens will alter our foreign policy , then it has a lot to learn.
As already stated in my last post, there already is a Japanese Military Base in Djibouti, this military base will be expanded and further ground, naval, and air units will be sent there to increase Japan's ability to respond. And as stated by Japanese media source -- Asahi Shimbun, to be exact -- Japan is already planning for expanded operations in the Middle East. If ISIS executes our citizens, then, this will be pretext for even greater mobilization and activity of our forces there.
Terrorist organizations should not take Japan's kindness and altruism for granted and mistaken it for timidity. Despite our limited operations abroad , the Japanese Self Defense Forces are one of the most potent fighting forces in the world, and would eviscerate any of their combatants if it were to be deployed. If you ever had the opportunity to actually observe JSDF military training, Mike, and the kind of demands our soldiers are expected to incur, and the 'guided' brutality it is trained to direct towards enemy combatants --- its enough to make any person piss in their pants. As I said, they are messing with the wrong nation, and the wrong defense force.
Japanese Military is not known for mercy towards enemy combatants. Our soldiers, if and when they are unleashed, will eviscerate these rag tag brigands.
Yukawa, irrespective of what his ideological status was when he decided to go to Syria, is still a Japanese National. He is a citizen of Japan and thus is subject to protection of the Nation to which he is citizen of. The same applies for our other national.
Lool calm down nihonji. As I said earlier we are all on Japans side and against these Isis and other muslim extremist/islamic groups barbarians. However we have to be realistic, do you think Japan is more capable/powerful than the France,Britain,Canada, Australia and other western countries combined who are already launching attacks against ISIS? Much less the mighty U.S who by the way is still Japans security guarantor? Lol nope Japan doesn't have the experience/world reach that the U.S/west have accumulated all these years venturing/fighting abroad. So if we and the U.S couldn't do/change much, how do you think Japan alone can change anything? Loool. Japan cant do shit to be honest. It will have to pay the ransom or see its citizens beheaded by these evil islamists group called Isis, just like they did with British, american and other western journalists/citizens. So to be honest, though I hate to admit it, Japan will have to(and she certainly will) pay the money and negotiate. No argument about that. You have no other choice IMO.
Lool calm down nihonji. As I said earlier we are all on Japans side and against these Isis and other muslim extremist/islamic groups barbarians. However we have to be realistic, do you think Japan is more capable/powerful than the France,Britain,Canada, Australia and other western countries combined who are already launching attacks against ISIS? Much less the mighty U.S who by the way is still Japans security guarantor? Lol nope Japan doesn't have the experience/world reach that the U.S/west have accumulated all these years venturing/fighting abroad. So if we and the U.S couldn't do/change much, how do you think Japan alone can change anything? Loool. Japan cant do shit to be honest. It will have to pay the ransom or see its citizens beheaded by these evil islamists group called Isis, just like they did with British, american and other western journalists/citizens. So to be honest, though I hate to admit it, Japan will have to(and she certainly will) pay the money and negotiate. No argument about that. You have no other choice IMO.
Mike, the point that I want to emphasize is that Japan will mobilize more forces to that region. Everything now depends on Government's decision.
Lool calm down nihonji. As I said earlier we are all on Japans side and against these Isis and other muslim extremist/islamic groups barbarians. However we have to be realistic, do you think Japan is more capable/powerful than the France,Britain,Canada, Australia and other western countries combined who are already launching attacks against ISIS? Much less the mighty U.S who by the way is still Japans security guarantor? Lol nope Japan doesn't have the experience/world reach that the U.S/west have accumulated all these years venturing/fighting abroad. So if we and the U.S couldn't do/change much, how do you think Japan alone can change anything? Loool. Japan cant do shit to be honest. It will have to pay the ransom or see its citizens beheaded by these evil islamists group called Isis, just like they did with British, american and other western journalists/citizens. So to be honest, though I hate to admit it, Japan will have to(and she certainly will) pay the money and negotiate. No argument about that. You have no other choice IMO.
Japan to reinforce SDF anti-piracy base in Djibouti for broader Middle East responses - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun
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That’s great we all know that has worked great in the past. If countries want to help than stay the F out.
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Haruna tried to get work in the PMC circuit, but no one knows how he got there. No company sponsored him, so poor guy must have spent his own resources to travel to Aleppo, for some reason he got involved with the FSA splinter group and not long after this, he was "captured".
From open source information, both Joto and Haruna knew each other and had briefly before. I have always maintained that there are many in the "rebels" that are sympathetic to the ISIS mindset, ( If you can't beat them, then join them) types. As much as the west hates Al-Assad, the only sane person in the region they can deal with is either Al-Assad or the Iraqi Government.
You cannot deal with these "rebels", as the saying goes... Never feed a snake! Also the claims by the ISIS DOGS that this poor man was a mercenary are just propaganda, he was just some poor guy trying to reinvent himself and just didn't realize what he was getting into until it was too late.
My prayers are with him, Joto and all other hostages everywhere. May god watch over them and deliver them to safety.
Ameen!
ISIS and it's followers are like rabid dogs that need to be put down!
From open source information, both Joto and Haruna knew each other and had briefly before. I have always maintained that there are many in the "rebels" that are sympathetic to the ISIS mindset, ( If you can't beat them, then join them) types. As much as the west hates Al-Assad, the only sane person in the region they can deal with is either Al-Assad or the Iraqi Government.
You cannot deal with these "rebels", as the saying goes... Never feed a snake! Also the claims by the ISIS DOGS that this poor man was a mercenary are just propaganda, he was just some poor guy trying to reinvent himself and just didn't realize what he was getting into until it was too late.
My prayers are with him, Joto and all other hostages everywhere. May god watch over them and deliver them to safety.
Ameen!
ISIS and it's followers are like rabid dogs that need to be put down!
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I am afraid that Japan cannot do much to save the two hostages aside from paying the ransom. Their faith is unfortunately likely sealed already.
Japan should keep out of the conflict entirely. It's not Japan's fight. Let the US, UK, France and regional countries do the work.
How did they end up in Syria/Iraq in the first place?
Anyway let us pray that they will return to Japan safely. Can't imagine the difficulty of their situation and that of their families. Unfortunately they are the not the first ones nor the last ones.
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Japan should keep out of the conflict entirely. It's not Japan's fight. Let the US, UK, France and regional countries do the work.
How did they end up in Syria/Iraq in the first place?
Anyway let us pray that they will return to Japan safely. Can't imagine the difficulty of their situation and that of their families. Unfortunately they are the not the first ones nor the last ones.
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Thank you, my friend.
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http://www.newsweek.com/homeless-japan-hostage-syria-how-haruna-yukawa-ended-warzone-267024
That Haruna guy had some sort of death wish. I agree with mike here, Japanese need to think carefully. This war will cost Japan billions instead of millions. Plus sending young ones to their death will diminish the already shrinking work force. This is a war that won't benefit Japanese and won't bring peace.
That Haruna guy had some sort of death wish. I agree with mike here, Japanese need to think carefully. This war will cost Japan billions instead of millions. Plus sending young ones to their death will diminish the already shrinking work force. This is a war that won't benefit Japanese and won't bring peace.
It'll take some time but eventually they will officially declare a state of war which will have congress increase financial capacity and give more room to military movement.
White House Wants Bipartisan Support for War Authorization Against Islamic State - Washington Wire - WSJ
I think they will eventually send ground troops to speed up the proces of defeating ISIS but no more than 20K forces, mostly infantry & forward air controllers working together with local forces with the main objective being the restoration of the Iraq/Syria border and enforcing a barrier cutting ISIS in half as well as Mosul/Fallujah the 2 regional HQ's of ISIS of course.
White House Wants Bipartisan Support for War Authorization Against Islamic State - Washington Wire - WSJ
I think they will eventually send ground troops to speed up the proces of defeating ISIS but no more than 20K forces, mostly infantry & forward air controllers working together with local forces with the main objective being the restoration of the Iraq/Syria border and enforcing a barrier cutting ISIS in half as well as Mosul/Fallujah the 2 regional HQ's of ISIS of course.
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