Is this your father's wealth? Yeh teray bap ka mall hy

[El Sidd]

The problem is the hindu culture - This is the beginning of the document:

The disgruntled British diplomat (“Sir” John) wrote:



“I hold in my hand a book which contains the maps of Europe, showing the political landscape for the past 5000 years. Every race is mentioned here. You have the Nordic people, Gauls, Celtic, Slavs, Latin, Iberian, Turks, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, the Chinese (Mongols) and even the Africans (Africans ruled over Sicily for some time). There is no mention of the Desi people. I categorize Desi people as those who have lived in the sub-continent and were at some time, part of the Mogul empire – mostly inhabitants of the present day Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Sri-lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

Why hasn't anyone from this region (Desi) ever created a mufti-continental empire, in the past 5000 years of known human history? Why have they never ruled the world? No Mai ka lal had enough dam? [The last sentence above leads me to believe that he had some local help in writing this].

When you raise this question with an average Desi, he immediately deploys the default defense mechanism - denying the facts. This is most commonly done by renouncing his actually ethnicity and claiming to be of an Arab, Greek, Mongol, Central Asian or Persian decent. A closer inspection will show that this excuse or line of defense is also useless for the inhabitants of this region. This is because of the way history and events have played out. Every global super power (with one exception) has come to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behinds.

The wall of shame, if we go in reverse, reads something like this: [currently we have the Americans in Afghanistan, eighteen years and counting]. In the 80s you had the Russians who killed many Afghans and Pakistanis. The Chinese attacked and captured a lot of Indian Land in the 60s. Rewind a bit more and you have the British who ruled the area for 200 years. Before that you had the Central Asians, the Mogul Dynasty who ruled for eight hundred years (The Mogul emperors were Central Asian Turko-Mongols from modern-day Uzbekistan). Preceding this you had Genghis Khan, who chose to construct the tallest tower of skulls in the sub-continent - as a sign of his disgust. The Arabs came and ruled a significant portion of the subcontinent for a long period of time (Most of what is now Pakistan was captured during Caliph Omar's time + Mohammad bin Qasim), as did the Persian Empire. Before the Persians we had the good old Alexander the great visiting this region. The only exception are the Romans but I think that they would have kept the pattern going as well if Caesar had not been assassinated. There are two reasons for this confidence - The very next day Caesar was assassinated, he was supposed to take his forces and march east - Who knows where he would have stopped? Secondly, Caesar was a very ambitious man. When he went to Alexandria to sort out the mess between Cleopatra and her brother, he visited Alexander’s tomb and cried there (‘I have not just cause to weep, when I consider that Alexander at my age had conquered so many nations, and I have all this time done nothing that is memorable?). So it is possible that Caesar too would have honored you with a visit had he not been killed.

Therefore, no matter at what point you choose to start your history, every generation has had the dishonor of having their behinds kicked. A Desi fellow told my friend that he was a descendant of Genghis Khan (The fact that his features did not look Chinese did not matter to him). My friend told him that reading history must be a very embarrassing experience for him, his father, grandfather and others. When he asked why, my friend said that by bowing their heads to the British for 200 years, they had damaged Genghis Khan's name and legacy.

Why is it that every global/regional power came to the sub-continent and kicked the local's behind?

It becomes clear fairly quickly that this wall of shame has nothing to do with religion. Over these 5000 years, the religion of inhabitants of the sub-continent changed a few times. Plus every religion was practiced in this region at one time or another. You currently have Desi Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jews and so on. Someone must have been right! The only thing unique to this region is the Desi culture which has remained fairly intact over the centuries. You can tell a lot from a people’s way of living by looking at their architecture. If you look at the ruins in Taxila and Mohenjo-daro you will see small similarities between Qissa khawani bazaar, Anarkali bazaar and especially Multan (because Multan is a very old city and was around when Alexander visited).

What is the Desi cultural handicap that is behind this wall of shame?

The British, published formulas for controlling different groups living under the British Raj (Punjabi, Pushtoon, Baloch, Sindhi, Tamil, Kashmiri, Marathi, Gujrati, Bengali etc) in their "British army officer's sipahi training guide". The conclusion of this guide also states that as long as these races shall walk the earth, these formulas shall hold. You bully a Punjabi, bribe a Pushtoon, ignore a Sindhi, corrupt a Kashmiri and control the elders of the Baloch. These formulas are quite offensive but the sad part is that during their 200 year rule, there was never any revision issued - Thus proving their conclusion to some extent.

please dont share colonial rhetoric of subjugation of non anglo races.

thanks

 

[Village life]

please dont share colonial rhetoric of subjugation of non anglo races.

thanks

yes koi Desi bat bolo ,jaisa k "mashki nu hakoomat mili ty ony Cham(leather) Dian Chala ditiyaan ,,

 

[El Sidd]

yes koi Desi bat bolo ,jaisa k "mashki nu hakoomat mili ty ony Cham(leather) Dian Chala ditiyaan ,,

bloody pen di siris self hating Brownies

 

[Village life]

bloody pen di siris self hating Brownies

o Nai bloody self acclaimed elite intellectuals , crossbreed, tetray maitry,(multi colored) ha ha

 

[El Sidd]

o Nai bloody self acclaimed elite intellectuals , crossbreed, tetray maitry,(multi colored) ha ha

ajeeb girgat hain ye uturners

 

[Village life]

ajeeb girgat hain ye uturners

girgiat will mind ,he is more respectful, at least he doesn't wear others skin and kin,

 

[lafete]

The document continues with a Desi fellow analysing the remarks made by the British diplomat. Its a long document so I would have to post it in small sections:

The old man has pointed a finger at our culture here. We have two options. We can dismiss what he wrote as nonsense and continue on our merry way. Or we can take an honest look and see if there is any truth in the accusation. After all, the first step in solving a problem is to accept that the problem exists!

Culture is a sensitive topic these days for reasons which are unknown. Criticizing someone culture is a no go area. However, religion does not see it that way. After all, culture is not the creation of the Almighty. Islam criticized the Arab cultural traditions repeatedly and there are many examples of this. Before Islam, the Arabs used to perform acts of divination to find auspicious moments for performing important acts. The usual practice was to run at a flock of birds sitting on the ground and see which way they would fly (right side = good omen, left = bad omen). Their culture did not permit fighting in certain months. Or they were permitted to distance themselves from their wives by swearing an oath likening them to their mothers. They used to bury their daughters alive to protect their honor. Islam attacked all of these odd cultural traditions. I think that this event happened just to drive the point home: The prophet (PBUH) was once walking in Medina and Gabriel visited him. He pointed to an area and told the prophet that this is the place where your father is buried. When the prophet immediately tried to offer a prayer for his father, Gabriel stopped him saying that you are not permitted to do this (One really has to admire prophet’s courage (PBUH) after reading these hadith, Sahih Muslim 398 and Sahih Muslim 976). Culture and ways of the forefathers do not have precedence over religion.

One of the most courageous things that the Arabs did was that they accepted the Islamic criticisms of their culture and changed it. Perhaps a brave and open minded understanding of the two aforementioned hadith allowed them to start again. Thus the Bedouin Arabs of the desert, who were called gypsies by the Persians and lizard eaters by others, transformed to become the rulers of the World. I doubt that the Desi folk have this much courage.

Is it worth our time to scrutinize our culture and identify the handicap?

To root cause the problem with the Desi culture we need to look at the Hindu religion which predates Islam by a couple of thousand years. The Hindu religion has helped shaped the foundation of the Desi culture. Islam definitely did have an effect, but no amount of effect can change the foundation of something. The three potholes in the Hindu religion which have had a significant impact on the Desi culture are:

1) Reincarnation

The best option for a soul, in the Hindu faith, is to re-incarnate as a human being. Now off-course the human beings are further sub-divided via a caste system, but if you are a human being, you already have a very good deal! It is much better than coming back as a donkey, dog or any other animal. As you already have a good deal, then it is important to try your best to maintain the status-co. This means risk aversion and playing it as safe as possible. After all, if you die, then the surety of you coming back as a human being is not high enough. A safe strategy can include following what successful people are doing and as long as you are doing better than the fellow next to you, you are doing well. As there will always be people doing better than you, then there is always someone to follow.

This no-risk policy guarantees a maniable population consisting of pro-system individuals – a nation of followers and a general lack of courage. As an example, these followers will never dare to question the judgments passed by a court, a ruler, a parliament, a university or a central examination board regarding an individual’s ability. Any chance of ground breaking innovation, which by its very nature is anti-system and causes a threat to the existing status-co, can simply be ruled out. An Arab scientist who invented a medicine, first tried the medicine on himself. His rational was that if the Almighty wants harm for him, then nothing can save him. This sort of behavior can simply be ruled out in a Desi society. As the resources of this world are limited, as opposed to the hereafter where the resources are infinite, there is bound to be envy and competition in people whose only concern is this world.

This particular pothole sheds some light on that joke written earlier. {See above in earlier post}
Mr Schoeck came to this conclusion after spending time with the American Red Indians {See above in earlier post}
After the end of the cold war, the American government removed {See above in earlier post}

I will post the second pot hole tomorrow which deals with "Burn the Women".

 

[mingle]

Same gang is back with different IDs it's same gang who is pro war now sleeping over Kashmir

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

The words used in thread tittle are not mine so don't rush to block me and also watch the video as proof, these are the (gems )words of our Great leader which he said many times when he was in opposition, the nation was so desperate to believe him that they named him the name of Devine blessing, Now his these words are repeated again by a anchor in a different way, this very same anchor was the biggest supporter of IK and so was his channel, this is how Allah subhana talla unveils truth, please listen from 16 min on ward specialy , and programs intro also, Now I repeat my word which I said to irfan Bloch and Dubious ,, whatever right steps your Ik will tend to take on right side will fall on wrong one , because Allah subhana Tala do not like and flourish the deeds of munafiqs even the right one,

PTI is on the way to become PPP and PMLN

 

[Village life]

PTI is on the way to become PPP and PMLN

because 80% lotas of ppp and pml are in pti and this was first cheating and U turn of Ik and we didn't realized it on time,we were so desperate to get rid of the Moran's of ppp and Pml that we assumed IK a Devine blessing but it was a Devine curse , a deception of foreign establishments and a failure of our establishment , a classic example of loosing hybrid warfare,

 

[lafete]

2) Death do us part

"Burn the woman after her spouse's death" or to a lesser extent "death do us part" means that finding the one true love is a valid goal for one’s life. You get only one chance to get it right. Get it wrong and you are unhappy for the rest of your life. Thus, this becomes the most important decision of one’s life. The Desi media's main focus is to make people accept this goal - media houses are absolutely fixated on this and there is constant bombardment. Almost 90% of Desi music and video content targets the boy meets girl story line. The effeminacy of men that ensues because of this has devastating effects. The effeminate men of the Desi media, while having body builder's body, imitate women by plucking out their hair, applying makeup and seeking and keeping the company of women. They often boast about their perfection of effeminacy and their emotional personalities (crying for their woman). Persistence and habituation can make even the most unnatural of acts pleasurable. Seeing the same thing in acquaintances and on media makes these acts a societal norm.

One Roman generals advised that when you conquer a nation, one of the first steps is to get control of the minds of the natives' women. This is important because a society can be controlled through the women. For example, if the women in a society declare that they will only find attractive the men with green hair, quite a few men in that society will dye their hair green.

As proximity to women is essential to the fulfilment of this most important goal, sedentary lifestyle is a must. This means that spending limited time in the wilderness and even in isolation become invalid and unnatural acts. How many men have climbed the Everest or K2? How many of them are Desi? According to Ibn Khaldun, “Sedentary people are used to luxury and ease of life. They entrust the defence of their property and lives to the militia (army/police) that is tasked to guarding them. They find safety in their cities. Successive generations grow in this way. They become like women and children who depend on the master of the house. Eventually this becomes part of their character and replaces natural disposition”.

So when Bedouins or tribes living in the wilderness attack a decaying city with decaying institutions, once the guarding militia gets defeated, the sedentary people become easy targets of the invaders. This explains to some extent the ease with which foreign invaders have conquered the subcontinent. How many times did Mehmud of Ghazni invade? How is it possible that a few million Talib's are threatening an entire population?

No risk policy, maniable and pro-system population and sedentary lifestyle means that individuals must follow different types of man-made laws. Ibn Khaldun further adds, “When laws are enforced by means of punishment, they completely destroy fortitude, because the use of punishment against someone who cannot defend himself generates in that person a feeling of humiliation that, no doubt, must break his fortitude. When laws, intended to serve the purposes of education and instruction, are applied from childhood on, they have to some degree the same effect, because people then grow up in fear and docility and consequently do not rely on their own fortitude”.

Laws and the nature of Man must have a link. The whole idea of “death do us part” is something that is very alien to Islam. However, the Islamic law does not have any problem with it. For better or for worse, the modern Muslim world adopted this idea from the Christian/Hindu societies. This idea gives rise to unrealistic expectations which put pressure on the institution of marriage. If “they lived happily ever after” is true, then what is the point of heaven? With open marriages, people living together out of wed lock or higher divorce rates, the idea of “death do us part” is coming under further stress and damaging the institution of marriage in the developed world.

It would be wrong to associate such behaviour with the developed world only. A landlord in the sub-continent scolded a friend's grandfather (also a landlord) for opening a girl’s school on his land. He told my friend's grandfather that a woman is like a man's shoe and that educating them could jeopardise his physical entertainment options! The tendency to treat a human being as a shoe or a piece of meat is not something a human being is born with.

The last part deals with the effects of having a caste system....will add tomorrow