Is this meme (Persian contributions to islamic Golden age)fair?

[dani92]

View attachment 913009 it's a somewhat popular opinion but imo is exaddurated and unfair, Arabs contributed a lot, al Andalus had little Persian presence but was still central to islamic Golden age

Greek and south Asian knowledge specifically Indus regions of Pakistan also played an important role which is often times overlooked

@Mirzali Khan @xeuss @hydrabadi_arab @M. Sarmad @Talwar e Pakistan

It was neither Islamic or Persian it was based on the people the modern day salafis would consider heretics.

 

[Zhukov]

This meme is somewhat true. Unlike when Romans took over greece and then even worse when they converted to Christianity they burned down the Greek and Western Knowledge lagacy to the ground.
In Contrast when Muslim Arabs took over persia They prioritised to preserve the persian Libraries and Scholars. It was this attitude of First Millenium Arab Muslim Rule which absorbed the Already Progressive Persian Intelligencia.

But Not only Persian, The Early Muslim Empires were obsessed with knowledge and research. The lost Greek works found in Maghreb and literally smuggled from Rome, Ancient Chinese and Indian books and so on were all translated and built upon. Unfortunately all of it went to dogs when Arab power declined and Muslim Military Sultanates From Central Asia and Khorasan Took power.

In my humble opinnion that lagacy only remained with Arab Empires. The muslim Sultanates that followed were great military powers but that Knowledge revolution died with Abbasids and Andulusian Emirs.

 

[StormBreaker]

Islamic Golden Age is a result of all the research and hard work initial muslims from arab did by going through ancient Egyptian and greek knowledge.

Without that, No one would’ve been educated enough to do all that especially in the field of alchemy

 

[Maula Jatt]

Islamic Golden Age is a result of all the research and hard work initial muslims from arab did by going through ancient Egyptian and greek knowledge.

Not just them, You forgot us ...

HOW THE INDUS VALLEY FED ISLAM’S GOLDEN AGE

The conquest of Sindh opened a gateway of knowledge between the expanding Muslim empire and the Indus Valley.

www.dawn.com

Without that, No one would’ve been educated enough to do all that especially in the field of alchemy

True, ancient knowledge of different civilizations was instrumental

Can always count on indians to shamelessly plug their achievements.
This is a thread on the islamic golden age. Not about general advancements in science.

@villageidiot bro I hope you look back and realize why this statement is problematic ...

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Can always count on indians to shamelessly plug their achievements.
This is a thread on the islamic golden age. Not about general advancements in science.

Arab muslims took great help in mathematics from indus region people.
I read this in Genius of Britain vol 4 book
Knowledge is a universal possession of humankind and it keeps on flowing from one nation to other nations.That's natural.

 

[jamahir]

What ?

jamahir is Pakistan's asset deep inside India.

So I am not longer a Naxali ? What am I then ? After the grand success of ISI major Adnan and ISI colonel Kabootar here comes ISI Jamaadar Jamahir.

All I put there was two statistics from International organizations and you went through "Grief"..but it is normal..acceptance takes time..
The 5 stages of Grief:

1. Denial
2. Anger (this is where you are now!)
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

I come back when you are at stage 5..

No, please come back now and tell me how can anyone deny grief, unless it is pretended ? Those "5 stages of grief" seems right from a yoga studio in Hollywood where dog lovers gather to write books on pseudo psychology and that is picked up by those who want to actually do denial of a rational question. So please tell me, regardless of "Great Irani 100,000 Papers Per Year" record as confirmed by statistics from "international organizations" which are not from DPRK, Cuba, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Bangladesh and Algeria but from the West which created the mullah fascists ruling Iran since 1979 but the mullahs pretend to hate the West and then take such credit if some so-called scientific investigation in some mullah college in Mashad gets noticed in the West.

And have a look at the articles from this Leiden University of the "Leiden Ranking 2022" fame :

How Russia uses language as a weapon of war

According to Russian propaganda Ukrainians are Nazis and people from the West are Satanists. Egbert Fortuin thinks we should take this propaganda seriously.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

Jan Willem Erisman appointed chair of Scientific Climate Council

The Council of Ministers has appointed Jan Willem Erisman, Professor of Environment and Sustainability at Leiden University, as chair of the new Scientific Climate Council (WKR) from 1 March. This council will advise the government on climate policy.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

Our Digital Future 2023

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The first article is propaganda against Russia which Irani mullah terrorist government pretends to support, though is not sending any IRGC and Basij haraamis to Ukraine because Zelensky bois and gals have real guns unlike the revolutionary Iranis in Iran who don't and thus are being killed by the hundreds by IRGC, Basij etc.

The second article about climate change... Will that council propose the simple solution I proposed on PDF in 2021 - global abolition of personal vehicles, because that is the greatest thing we can do to reverse climate change ?

Making the case for a global ban on privately-owned personal transport cars and two-wheelers

I have often made this topic in posts so I thought why not create a thread for this for discussion and readership. Privately-owned personal transport vehicles ( cars and two-wheelers ) are I believe the biggest form of pollution in the world, directly through their usage and secondarily through...

defence.pk

The third article talks nonsense like "business analytics". If money is abolished what will become of London School of Economics, the stock exchanges in the world including in "Islamic Republic of Iran" , the millions of MBAs and the religion-ritualist governments ?

And forgot to say this earlier : Al-Jahiz, the creator of Evolution Theory was of Black genetics while the Mighty Aryan Culture of Iran produced the Hashisheen who assassinated Muslim philosophers and tried to assassinate Salahudeen. The Hashisheen were like the Taliban of today who assassinated President Najibullah and the Afghan Communists and were taken aboard US air force planes to the battlefields of Syria to fight against NATO's enemy - the progressive Socialism-led system of Syria. The Taliban does hasheesh too and sells opium and rapes boys which most probably the original Hashisheen did too. And the mullah terrorist government of Iran supports the Taliban and the so-called Afghan Mujahideen before the Taliban.

Lastly, about statistics, there are Lies, Damned Lies and then there are Statistics.

It was neither Islamic or Persian it was based on the people the modern day salafis would consider heretics.

Actually True Islam is "heretical" because Islam induces the follower to question, whether one's oppressive mother or one's oppressive king and culturally questioning these two celebrated figures is heresy. However, we know that it is the mullahs who are heretical in reality. It is the mullahs who destroyed the Islamic Golden Age. Muslim philosophers who only 200 years after the establishment of Islam included Gautama Buddha into the fold of Islamic prophets and Muslim inventors who created mechanical machines... what have these so-called Salaafis created ? Unless we speak of various styles of Tableeghi beards and various styles of burqas and an established system in India of three hajjs within five years done by middle class people living off interest-economics companies owned by Crusaders in USA and Europe and going to the hajj on flights subsidized by Modi's Hindutvadi interest-economics government. What say, @Sayfullah, @Mujahid Memon, @Qmjd etc ?

This meme is somewhat true. Unlike when Romans took over greece and then even worse when they converted to Christianity they burned down the Greek and Western Knowledge lagacy to the ground.
In Contrast when Muslim Arabs took over persia They prioritised to preserve the persian Libraries and Scholars. It was this attitude of First Millenium Arab Muslim Rule which absorbed the Already Progressive Persian Intelligencia.

Greek knowledge legacy OK but what is "Western knowledge legacy" ? The Vikings ?

And what is this "Already Progressive Persian Intelligentsia" ? Hadith writers ? Even now our Irani friend here, Aryobarzan, is unable to tell me the name of a single Irani computer processor, operating system, storage system and local spacecraft system.

Islamic Golden Age is a result of all the research and hard work initial muslims from arab did by going through ancient Egyptian and greek knowledge.

Without that, No one would’ve been educated enough to do all that especially in the field of alchemy

Yes the Arabs did borrow from Greeks, Egyptians and possibly other West Asians but they were also thinkers like I posted in my first post in the thread. The Greeks developed the world's first computer, the Antikythera Mechanism, which was a portable analog instrument used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance and the only known model is supposedly not more than 2200 years ago and was found in 1901 AD but it is not know how old that instrument as a concept had been used for.

Not just them, You forgot us ...

HOW THE INDUS VALLEY FED ISLAM’S GOLDEN AGE

The conquest of Sindh opened a gateway of knowledge between the expanding Muslim empire and the Indus Valley.

www.dawn.com

Indus Valley ? Nothing of the IVC culture is known. The IVC existed before the Brahmans arrived into India from Iran in 1000 BC. It is not known if the IVC died out before the Brahmans arrived or they were subsumed into Hinduism forcibly just like the Shudras, Dalits and tribals were and given demeaned position or the Brahmans just wiped them out. The IVC people are supposed to have come from the current Iraq region.

And this from the article is just incorrect :

Though Kankah’s contributions delved into multiple fields, his greatest gift to the Islamic world was the passage of the most detailed and efficient work on South Asian astronomy to Muslim astronomers. According to certain historians, it was at the behest of Harun al-Rashid that Kankah was ordered to get the Brahma Siddhanta — one of the finest mathematical and astronomical works of South Asia, by the Indian mathematician Brahmagupta — translated into Arabic.

This so-called "South Asian astronomy", code words for Hindu astronomy, was a Greek gift to the Hindus. And the Hindus turned it into astrology - superstition. Just a few months ago, a few days before a Hindu festival, many Godi Media channels were hosting a panel of astrologers predicting many things in the world including the outcome of Ukraine war. Can they predict what gift I have for the Hindutvadis ?

Arab muslims took great help in mathematics from indus region people.
I read this in Genius of Britain vol 4 book

Please read above.

Knowledge is a universal possession of humankind and it keeps on flowing from one nation to other nations.That's natural.

True. "Nation" is an artificial concept which should be abolished and will be.

 

[Maula Jatt]

What ?



So I am not longer a Naxali ? What am I then ? After the grand success of ISI major Adnan and ISI colonel Kabootar here comes ISI Jamaadar Jamahir.



No, please come back now and tell me how can anyone deny grief, unless it is pretended ? Those "5 stages of grief" seems right from a yoga studio in Hollywood where dog lovers gather to write books on pseudo psychology and that is picked up by those who want to actually do denial of a rational question. So please tell me, regardless of "Great Irani 100,000 Papers Per Year" record as confirmed by statistics from "international organizations" which are not from DPRK, Cuba, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Bangladesh and Algeria but from the West which created the mullah fascists ruling Iran since 1979 but the mullahs pretend to hate the West and then take such credit if some so-called scientific investigation in some mullah college in Mashad gets noticed in the West.

And have a look at the articles from this Leiden University of the "Leiden Ranking 2022" fame :

How Russia uses language as a weapon of war

According to Russian propaganda Ukrainians are Nazis and people from the West are Satanists. Egbert Fortuin thinks we should take this propaganda seriously.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

Jan Willem Erisman appointed chair of Scientific Climate Council

The Council of Ministers has appointed Jan Willem Erisman, Professor of Environment and Sustainability at Leiden University, as chair of the new Scientific Climate Council (WKR) from 1 March. This council will advise the government on climate policy.

www.universiteitleiden.nl

Our Digital Future 2023

The second Our Digital Future inspiration day is approaching! For the 2023 edition, we are joining forces with our Leiden partners Hogeschool Leiden (University of Applied Sciences Leiden), LUMC (Leiden University Medical Center) and Naturalis Biodiversity Center. We warmly invite you to join us in…

www.universiteitleiden.nl

The first article is propaganda against Russia which Irani mullah terrorist government pretends to support, though is not sending any IRGC and Basij haraamis to Ukraine because Zelensky bois and gals have real guns unlike the revolutionary Iranis in Iran who don't and thus are being killed by the hundreds by IRGC, Basij etc.

The second article about climate change... Will that council propose the simple solution I proposed on PDF in 2021 - global abolition of personal vehicles, because that is the greatest thing we can do to reverse climate change ?

Making the case for a global ban on privately-owned personal transport cars and two-wheelers

I have often made this topic in posts so I thought why not create a thread for this for discussion and readership. Privately-owned personal transport vehicles ( cars and two-wheelers ) are I believe the biggest form of pollution in the world, directly through their usage and secondarily through...

defence.pk

The third article talks nonsense like "business analytics". If money is abolished what will become of London School of Economics, the stock exchanges in the world including in Iran, the millions of MBAs and the religion-ritualist governments ?

And forgot to say this earlier : Al-Jahiz, the creator of Evolution Theory was of Black genetics while the Mighty Aryan Culture of Iran produced the Hashisheen who assassinated Muslim philosophers and tried to assassinate Salahudeen. The Hashisheen were like the Taliban of today who assassinated President Najibullah and the Afghan Communists and were taken aboard US air force planes to the battlefields of Syria to fight against NATO's enemy - the progressive Socialism-led system of Syria. The Taliban does hasheesh too and sells opium and rapes boys which most probably the original Hashisheen did too. And the mullah terrorist government of Iran supports the Taliban and the so-called Afghan Mujahideen before the Taliban.



Actually True Islam is "heretical" because Islam induces the follower to question, whether one's oppressive mother or one's oppressive king and culturally questioning these two celebrated figures is heresy. However, we know that it is the mullahs who are heretical in reality. It is the mullahs who destroyed the Islamic Golden Age. Muslim philosophers who only 200 years after the establishment of Islam included Gautama Buddha into the fold of Islamic prophets and Muslim inventors who created mechanical machines... what have these so-called Salaafis created ? Unless we speak of various styles of Tableeghi beards and various styles of burqas and an established system in India of three hajjs within five years done by middle class people living off interest-economics companies owned by Crusaders in USA and Europe and going to the hajj on flights subsidized by Modi's Hindutvadi interest-economics government. What say, @Sayfullah, @Mujahid Memon, @Qmjd etc ?



Greek knowledge legacy OK but what is "Western knowledge legacy" ? The Vikings ?

And what is this "Already Progressive Persian Intelligentsia" ? Hadith writers ? Even now our Irani friend here, Aryobarzan, is unable to tell me the name of a single Irani computer processor, operating system, storage system and local spacecraft system.



Yes the Arabs did borrow from Greeks, Egyptians and possibly other West Asians but they were also thinkers like I posted in my first post in the thread. The Greeks developed the world's first computer, the Antikythera Mechanism, which was a portable analog instrument used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance and the only known model is supposedly not more than 2200 years ago and was found in 1901 AD but it is not know how old that instrument as a concept had been used for.



Indus Valley ? Nothing of the IVC culture is known. The IVC existed before the Brahmans arrived into India from Iran in 1000 BC. It is not known if the IVC died out before the Brahmans arrived or they were subsumed into Hinduism forcibly just like the Shudras, Dalits and tribals were and given demeaned position or the Brahmans just wiped them out. The IVC people are supposed to have come from the current Iraq region.

And this from the article is just incorrect :

This so-called "South Asian astronomy", code words for Hindu astronomy, was a Greek gift to the Hindus. And the Hindus turned it into astrology - superstition. Just a few months ago, a few days before a Hindu festival, many Godi Media channels were hosting a panel of astrologers predicting many things in the world including the outcome of Ukraine war. Can they predict what gift I have for the Hindutvadis ?



Please read above.



True. "Nation" is an artificial concept which should be abolished and will be.

Jamahir author meant the region of iv
in a geographical sense

 

[hussain0216]

It was neither Islamic or Persian it was based on the people the modern day salafis would consider heretics.

It was islamic

 

[Maula Jatt]

jamahir is Pakistan's asset deep inside India.

This meme perfectly describes average Pajeet mindset

 

[jamahir]

It was islamic

Indeed. But no mullah is Islamic because priesthood was abolished by Islam, but sadly continues 1400 years later.

And @aryobarzan, the above reminds me, that irrational and anti-philosophy mullah, al-Ghazali, was from the Mighty Aryan Culture of Iran. Another great contribution. Yes, the Islamic Golden Age stood on the gentle and thoughtful shoulders of Persians.

 

[Corruptistan]

View attachment 913009 it's a somewhat popular opinion but imo is exaddurated and unfair, Arabs contributed a lot, al Andalus had little Persian presence but was still central to islamic Golden age

Greek and south Asian knowledge specifically Indus regions of Pakistan also played an important role which is often times overlooked

@Mirzali Khan @xeuss @hydrabadi_arab @M. Sarmad @Talwar e Pakistan

Obviously utter nonsense. Most of the scientists and scholars of the Islamic Golden Age were Arabs from Arab-controlled, ruled and dominated Al-Andalus (no Persians in sight there) in the west to Arab-ruled, controlled and dominated Abbasid Caliphate in the east.

Which this simple comparison proves quite easily.

List of pre-modern Arab scientists and scholars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of pre-modern Iranian scientists and scholars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Most importantly, most of the pre-Islamic knowledge originated from ancient civilizations located in the Arab world such as ancient Arabia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt etc. Other than that Greek science was very important.

Anyway Persians/Iranians were the second biggest contributors because of their numbers and geographic proximity to Arabs. Only a natural thing. Pre-Islamic Iran was not any scientific power whatsoever which is why you can hardly mention a single pre-Islamic Iranian scientist or scholar of note.

If you go by Bakshali manuscripts that were discovered in 1800 near bakshali village near Peshawar, which dates back to about 200 CE, it is not an exaggeration that mathematics had its roots in indus region, predating mathematician and astronomer Aryabhata (476CE) of Patna, Bihar. This discovery predates Islamic Renaissance.

Bakhshali manuscript

mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk

This is true, but the birthplace of mathematics (and science as a whole) is Mesopotamia. Modern-day Iraq, Eastern Syria, Kuwait, Northern KSA. So only fitting (looking back at ancient history) that the same Iraq (Baghdad) became the capital of science in the Middle Ages (Abbasid Baghdad) in hindsight.

History of mathematics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Indeed. But no mullah is Islamic because priesthood was abolished by Islam, but sadly continues 1400 years later.

And @aryobarzan, the above reminds me, that irrational and anti-philosophy mullah, al-Ghazali, was from the Mighty Aryan Culture of Iran. Another great contribution. Yes, the Islamic Golden Age stood on the gentle and thoughtful shoulders of Persians.

Nationalist Iranians are some of the most deluded people out there. I would not bother wasting my time with them. Most of their existence and "superiority complex" rests on historical lies and exaggerations. The less said about their Aryan nonsense (in fact modern-day Iranians are far closer genetically to Afro-Asiatic/Semitic speaking Middle Easterners next door and Turkic speaking Anatolians, Caucasian speakers etc. than they are to other Iranic speaking peoples such as for instance Tajiks or Pashtuns etc. yet their deluded secular nationalists have an obsession about talking about some deluded "Aryan" purity origin. Quite ironic.

 

[Skimming]

So I am not longer a Naxali ? What am I then ? After the grand success of ISI major Adnan and ISI colonel Kabootar here comes ISI Jamaadar Jamahir.

You are the link in the chain between naxalites and foreign sponsors.

 

[Skimming]

View attachment 913154
This meme perfectly describes average Pajeet mindset

If his ideas are so sound, apply them to Pakistan. He deserves The Hilal-e-Jurat.

 

[Al_Muhannad]

Not just them, You forgot us ...

HOW THE INDUS VALLEY FED ISLAM’S GOLDEN AGE

The conquest of Sindh opened a gateway of knowledge between the expanding Muslim empire and the Indus Valley.

www.dawn.com

Thanks. What about to post this.

Regarding the persian contribution to Islamic Golden age, the most important thing in development of scientific and technological knowledge is the Language. And, the modern day farsi language was not developed by the "iranians". It was done so by the Turks.
The next important thing is Thought Process. One example of such though process is the german tradition of knowledge.

Iranians lack both of these.

Hilal-e-Jurat

Is you mean Hilaj-e-Zurat?

 

[my2cents]

Can always count on indians to shamelessly plug their achievements.
This is a thread on the islamic golden age. Not about general advancements in science.

If people changed their religion does that change genes. I was saying that roots were already planted long before and it shined after Islam came into being with the writing of scientist of Islamic era Al-Biruni, Avicenna and others.