Is the US’s complete support for Israel in the best interest of the US?

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But Arabs is not a country. Israel is a country which is the size of Rhode Island or Delaware, with a population of 8 million. The population of the Arab world on the other hand is about 300 million. The US had given a lot of financial support with puppet leaders in the Middle East (like Egypt), or in countries where there was a war going on (like Iraq).

Help is still help. As for Israel US helps Israel to defend against entire Arab world + Iran. All US aid to Israel is military.

By the way, this aid largely helps US itself: US gives us its equipment, Israel is testingit and making improvements.

For example if we take F-16s, Israel introduced dorsal spine, conformal fuel tanks, helmet targeting system, second generation targeting pods. Later all this was sold to Pakistan, Turkey and UAE

 

[PteX]

So hating Arabs/Muslims should be declared a sport ?



Your words are not resounding with brotherly love either.



Yet Turkey is providing the largest army for NATO after US but can't find a place in the EU because of European arrogance



Yet the US always finds a way to have good relations when it serves it interests (think the Mujahedin in Afghanistan)

Are you enjoying the Wahabism they brought to your country? Are you prospering? You have the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to thank for your country`s state.
There is a big difference between having good relations with the rulers as opposed with the people of the country.

 

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Are you enjoying the Wahabism they brought to your country? Are you prospering? You have the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to thank for your country`s state.

And thank the US for protecting such a state

There is a big difference between having good relations with the rulers as opposed with the people of the country.

I thought you said all Muslims were backwards and equally despicable (rulers and the ruled).

 

[PteX]

And thank the US for protecting such a state



I thought you said all Muslims were backwards and equally despicable (rulers and the ruled). This view appears remarkably similar to the Nazi view of the Jewish people

You should read again then. I was speaking about the Arab countries, I complimented Turkey which is a Muslim majority country and i appreciate the Persian people for their intelligence although their leadership are our enemies.

 

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i appreciate the Persian people for their intelligence although their leadership are our enemies.

So hatred of Arabs is a fair game
Just Arab Muslims or Christians, Druze, Samaritans too ?

 

[PteX]

So hatred of Arabs is a fair game
Just Arab Muslims or Christians, Druze, Samaritans too ?

Only those that yell "Death to Jews". There are Druze, Christian, Muslim and Samaritans who are deeply loyal to Israel and fought against Arab armies. There are Arab Druze, Muslim, Christian and Samaritans in the Israeli Defense Forces.

 

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Only those that yell "Death to Jews".

But that is not what you said in Post#14. Some might interpret your comments in that post as "DEATH TO ALL MUSLIMS" except Turks

 

[PteX]

But that is not what you said in Post#14. Some might interpret your comments in that post as "DEATH TO ALL MUSLIMS" except Turks

Good thing i don`t judge people by their religion but by their actions alone. Plus, i don't wish death for anyone but i do believe many evil people will burn in hell, regardless of religion.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I think the support base for Israel is more complex than just Jewish Americans. Two other groups that immediately come to mind are the evangelical Christians who support the 'return to Zion' prophecy in preparation for the Rapture, and ordinary non-religious folk who support Israel as an "affirmative action" in redress of the Holocaust and other persecution of Jews throughout history.

Yes, of course. That is what I implied about the "moral imperative" to support Israel. As for the evangelical Christians, the Israeli government makes a special effort to arrange and host the visits of American evangelical (Protestant) religious leaders to Israel. Such American religious leaders get the special "helicopter" tour to show them how vulnerable Israel is because of the small distances from "non-Christian" West Bank areas to various Israeli towns. They are "lobbied" to take the Israeli position on the need to de-militarize the Palestinian West Bank. It is heady stuff for some Baptist preacher who has never even been outside of Texas .....

 

[TruthSeeker]

the US gets nothing. Because of it , i don't think this relationship is justified and therefore won't stick around for long.

And yet, the US is organizing itself to go to war with Iran. You underestimate the influence of the Jewish-American lobby in the US. It is more powerful than even I can contemplate after many years of marveling at its effectiveness.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The war against Iran is just as big a threat to Saudi Arabia (& its/the US's influence in the region) as it is to Israel.

I disagree. Were it not for Israel, the Sunni-Shiite conflict would play out much differently. For one, the USA might actually support Sunni Saudi Arabia in having nuclear weapons to balance any nuclear capability of Shiite Iran. But because of the fear that Sunni (or Shiite) Muslims are a threat to Israel, the US cannot support either side in this intra-Muslim struggle.

 

[Developereo]

The interesting thing is, while the US has always appeared to (unconditionally) support Israel, it has also supported Saudi Arabia & (proxy) Muslim extremist groups in the Middle East (which are a threat to Israel & its existence) to advance their interests in the region. The war against Iran is just as big a threat to Saudi Arabia (& its/the US's influence in the region) as it is to Israel.

The US only supports the Arabs to the extent that they can harm Iran. If any American weapon is aimed at Israel, it will return to base.

That is what I implied about the "moral imperative" to support Israel.

That's the dilemma. The Zionist cause per se is not bad, given the historical context. The only issue, and it's a BIG issue, is how they went about establishing Israel. The duplicity, terrorism and absolute subjugation of everyone else's rights was simply unbelievable. The problem is compounded by the Zionist chutzpah in even refusing to acknowledge any wrongdoing and, to top it off, playing the victim instead.

 

[Rig Vedic]

And yet, the US is organizing itself to go to war with Iran. You underestimate the influence of the Jewish-American lobby in the US. It is more powerful than even I can contemplate after many years of marveling at its effectiveness.

TruthSeeker, Christopher Columbus, it is said, was a Marrano, who set sail on the holy day of Tisha B'Av. The power of Zion in America is perhaps more fundamental than your post suggests. It cannot be explained in terms of the percentage of population that is Jewish or Christian-Zionist.

 

[53fd]

I disagree. Were it not for Israel, the Sunni-Shiite conflict would play out much differently. For one, the USA might actually support Sunni Saudi Arabia in having nuclear weapons to balance any nuclear capability of Shiite Iran. But because of the fear that Sunni (or Shiite) Muslims are a threat to Israel, the US cannot support either side in this intra-Muslim struggle.

I think this is a very telling comment:

The US only supports the Arabs to the extent that they can harm Iran. If any American weapon is aimed at Israel, it will return to base.

The US 'treads very carefully between Israel & Saudi Arabia', & while the US might not favor a nuclear Saudi Arabia (as it can threaten the security of Israel), it won't sit back & let Iran dominate the geostrategic influence in the region. For example: the Iranian proxies of Lebanon & Syria didn't trouble the US just because of Israel's security, but also because an geostrategically influential Iran means a less influential Saudi Arabia. Iran & Saudi Arabia are like competing brands, & will always be in competition. The US has quite clearly sided with Saudi Arabia against Iran, but will be 'more neutral' in case there is a clash between Saudi Arabia & Israel. Which is why we keep hearing about the atrocities in Syria by the Iranian proxy President Assad, but we didn't hear about the brutalities against the people of Bahrain by the Kingdom of Bahrain, supported by Saudi Arabia. Whether you like this or not, the Middle East is being 'set up' for being a hotbed for Al-Qaeda (sectarian) extremism, Egypt & Libya will go the same way Iraq has gone. Iran will try its best to counter the Al-Qaeda influence by supporting its own proxies. A recipe for disaster in the Middle East, & its little to do about Israel & more about the Iran-Saudi Arabia competition.

 

[Don Jaguar]

USA can't keep Israel away as large pool of voters in USA belongs to jew community. Israel on its own can beat all Islamic countries as Israel has done in Past 6 day Arab war. But US will always support them. .

Lol, israel defeated all islamic countries in 6 day war.