Is the legacy of Quaid-e-Azam akin to that of Atattürk or that of Salahaddin

[bananarepublic]

Yes

 

[Jaanbaz]

Same can be said about Murtad Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. He was confused, ignorant and one of the stupidest person ever lived.

He didn't create Pakistan you silly wanker, oh and your hero Iqbal belonged to Lahori Ahmadiyya Jamaat. Qaid is the father of Pakistan, he wanted a fair and peaceful society where Muslims and non Muslim Pakistanis could live side by side and help prosper Pakistan. Like I said Iqbal was a great poet but one of those Ummah chummah gang, he knew his forefathers were Brahmin Hindus but took pride in some Arab/Berber empire in Spain lol talk about Stockholm syndrome.

 

[Secret Service]

haha he was the guy who was working in the uk and living his own life after 1933.. Iqbal called him back.. it was Iqbal who was the real founder. i dont know why its jinnah jinnah jinnah. Iqbal was fighting in the mean time jinnah was working as a lawyer in the uk ..
i repeat Iqbal is and should official the founder of pakistan and not jinnah.

he was the mentor and jinnah was the the leader.

 

[k s ahmed]

He didn't create Pakistan you silly wanker, oh and your hero Iqbal belonged to Lahori Ahmadiyya Jamaat. Qaid is the father of Pakistan, he wanted a fair and peaceful society where Muslims and non Muslim Pakistanis could live side by side and help prosper Pakistan. Like I said Iqbal was a great poet but one of those Ummah chummah gang, he knew his forefathers were Brahmin Hindus but took pride in some Arab/Berber empire in Spain lol talk about Stockholm syndrome.

wow! complete crap in this post . i will clarify that ahmdy thing
since his teacher (Mir Hassan sahab) were in close contact with ghulam mirza and had good relations, thats why he didnt go against them qadyanis OPENLY in the beginning.. later down the line, you see him opposing Qadyanis.
Abey tu tumhary baap dada bee hindu he hongay chuwal.. HE WASNT AHMADY.. thats an utter crap .. His elder brother Ejaz was ..
his point was that muslims MUST maintain the relationship with their past . i dont think you know anything about anything in general.

he was the mentor and jinnah was the the leader.

hmm can say that.. but my point was the iqbal didnt get the credit he deserves

Can company iqbal with mustakfa kamal.. salahdin was a different league altogether

 

[Mutakalim]

He didn't create Pakistan you silly wanker, oh and your hero Iqbal belonged to Lahori Ahmadiyya Jamaat. Qaid is the father of Pakistan, he wanted a fair and peaceful society where Muslims and non Muslim Pakistanis could live side by side and help prosper Pakistan. Like I said Iqbal was a great poet but one of those Ummah chummah gang, he knew his forefathers were Brahmin Hindus but took pride in some Arab/Berber empire in Spain lol talk about Stockholm syndrome.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani instead created a Jaamaat of Murtadeen and helped them to reach the pit fire of hell. What a great achievement by the idiot of Qadian.

wow! complete crap in this post . i will clarify that ahmdy thing
since his teacher (Mir Hassan sahab) were in close contact with ghulam mirza and had good relations, thats why he didnt go against them qadyanis OPENLY in the beginning.. later down the line, you see him opposing Qadyanis.
Abey tu tumhary baap dada bee hindu he hongay chuwal.. HE WASNT AHMADY.. thats an utter crap .. His elder brother Ejaz was ..
his point was that muslims MUST maintain the relationship with their past . i dont think you know anything about anything in general.

No point arguing with Qadianis. They will not understand, they have lost their sanity when they accepted Mirza Ghulam as their leader.

 

[JonAsad]

Attaturk worked to remove Islam from Turkey.

Quaid-e- Azam struggled to get an Islamic Country for Muslims.

I dont know how you can compare these too.

 

[k s ahmed]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani instead created a Jaamaat of Murtadeen and helped them to reach the pit fire of hell. What a great achievement by the idiot of Qadian.



No point arguing with Qadianis. They will not understand, they have lost their sanity when they accepted Mirza Ghulam as their leader.

i didnt know he was qadyani .. but Ca va et merci

 

[JonAsad]

he knew his forefathers were Brahmin Hindus but took pride in some Arab/Berber empire in Spain lol talk about Stockholm syndrome.

same can be said about you - guess your Stockholm syndrome is working overtime -

 

[PakSword]

haha he was the guy who was working in the uk and living his own life after 1933.. Iqbal called him back.. it was Iqbal who was the real founder. i dont know why its jinnah jinnah jinnah. Iqbal was fighting in the mean time jinnah was working as a lawyer in the uk ..
i repeat Iqbal is and should official the founder of pakistan and not jinnah.

Iqbal gave the vision while Jinnah achieved that mission. Iqbal called Jinnah because he knew there was no one who could fulfill his dream other than Jinnah. AIML tried before Jinnah and failed miserably..

 

[Sal12]

haha he was the guy who was working in the uk and living his own life after 1933.. Iqbal called him back.. it was Iqbal who was the real founder. i dont know why its jinnah jinnah jinnah. Iqbal was fighting in the mean time jinnah was working as a lawyer in the uk ..
i repeat Iqbal is and should official the founder of pakistan and not jinnah.

Why Iqbal went London and convinced Jinnah to lead muslims. Why Iqbal himself didn't lead muslims of India and why he didn't work for the separate home land of muslims of India rather asking Jinnah to lead muslims. The answer is Iqbal was visionary but he was not able to lead muslims. This is why Iqbal asked Jinnah to lead muslims.

An ounce of action is heaver than tons of words.

 

[k s ahmed]

Why Iqbal went London and convinced Jinnah to lead muslims. Why Iqbal himself didn't lead muslims of India and why he didn't work for the separate home land of muslims of India rather asking Jinnah to lead muslims. The answer is Iqbal was visionary but he was not able to lead muslims. This is why Iqbal asked Jinnah to lead muslims.

An ounce of action is heaver than tons of words.

Yes. And whar was Jinnah doing in London in the first place when Pakistan movement was in full swing ? And who was doing all that while Jinnah was living a normal life in London ? IQBAL !!!

Iqbal went for possibly many reasons. He was quite illl during 1935 to 1937. So.he could already be doing handover.
And before Jinnah started leading , Iqbal took part in elections JUST FOR the ummah and the country. He didn't want to but he had to.
Sharam kero and read somethjng before jinnah-ing

Read my previous comments

 

[bananarepublic]

@Dubious
Please remove comments of Qadiani rat in this thread and take some action against him.

No need to use abusive language..
Plus any k8nd of religious discussion not allowed

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Something important to consider. Iqbal and Rehmat wanted Pakistan but only could dream it. Jinnah wanted Muslims, especially minority Muslims given equal and protected status within a united India. This is important differance. So to sum it up.

• Iqbal/Rehmat wanted Pakistan as in the four/five provinces on the Indus.
• Jinnah wanted to give protected rights to Muslims.

The bizzare fact is Jinnah failed to get what he wanted and by default made Iqbal/Rehmat's dream a reality.

 

[Sal12]

Yes. And whar was Jinnah doing in London in the first place when Pakistan movement was in full swing ? And who was doing all that while Jinnah was living a normal life in London ? IQBAL !!!

Iqbal went for possibly many reasons. He was quite illl during 1935 to 1937. So.he could already be doing handover.
And before Jinnah started leading , Iqbal took part in elections JUST FOR the ummah and the country. He didn't want to but he had to.
Sharam kero and read somethjng before jinnah-ing

Read my previous comments

Jinnah left politics in 1929 after congress rejected his proposal for special rights of muslims of india and he came to London in 1929. Muslim League was divided into 2 groups. Then Iqbal came to London around 1932 and he convinced Jinnah to come to London and lead muslims of India. Iqbal could have lead muslims of India himself rather asking Jinnah to do it. Iqbal was not in such a bad health that he couldn't lead muslims.

Jinnah entered politics in 1904 and Jinnah stayed in politics for more 4 decades. Iqbal knew he himself is not able to lead muslims and this has nothing to do with his health.

If there was no jinnah then there was no pakistan. You are too much into Iqbal that you are giving the credit of making pak to Iqbal only because he gave an idea of it. Grow up...Statesman are bigger than poets.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The reality is while Jinnah accidentally made Iqbal's dream a reality he punished and hurt his core support group who today are suffering in India. Ayesha Jalal has covered this aspect nicely.

In short Jinnah gave Pakistan to people who neither intially wanted it or were in danger. However those who needed protecting [India Muslims] were left even weaker and in greater danger.