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Is the honeymoon with India over?

By M.P. Bhandara

THE Indians have not yielded an inch on our concerns. No movement in the frozen wastelands of the Siachen glacier or lifting the heavy military paw in the Vale of Kashmir. India’s principal demand when the Vajpayee-Musharraf thaw set in about five years back was: stop government support to cross-border terrorist infiltration and come to the table with the least expectation of any further division of Kashmir. Pakistan complied; rather over-complied.

The Indians have conceded that illegal cross-border movement is down to a trickle, but, whenever they wish to stir the cauldron, terrorists are found coming out of the woodworks – such a declaration was made by the junior defence minister of India, last week.

President Musharraf’s open-ended four-point offer which is tailored to meet Indian sensibilities on Kashmir has evoked no official Indian response other than an endless backchannel dialogue. “The sands of an expiring epoch are fast running out; and the hour glass of history is once again turned on its base”, said Lord Curzon in a different context. The best of intentions may yet turn to ashes.

We are squeezed on our western borders by the Americans and their demands in fighting an unwinnable war in Afghanistan. The Indians love to negotiate on details endlessly with assurances for the future. The trouble with Indian “assurances” is that they have a historicity of unreliability. Between 1948 and 1953, Pakistan received six top-level assurances from India that a fair and impartial plebiscite was the most feasible means to ascertain the wishes of the Kashmiri people. The last such assurance was a press communiqué issued on the conclusion of meetings between Prime Minister Mohammed Ali (Bogra) and Pandit Nehru in August 1953; it went so far as to say that a plebiscite administrator would be appointed by April 1954.

In December 1953, the commitment to hold a plebiscite was broken by India on the plea that Pakistan was about to accept arms aid from the US. Nehru declared the plebiscite promise null and void. Never was it said anywhere that the UN resolutions accepted by India were latched to any conditionalities. Indeed, in August 1953, when the last Indian assurance for a plebiscite was given, it was well known that Pakistan was negotiating an arms pact with the US.

India broke its word to its neighbour; the end of this story is yet to be written. It can be said in retrospect that all Pakistan’s miseries, wars, religious fanaticism, alienation and subcontinental disunity can be traced back to this broken pledge. If, God forbid, there is a nuclear war some day, its origin will lie in this broken promise.

Pakistan was labelled a “lackey of imperialism” in the so-called non-aligned club headed by Tito and Nehru. Nine years later, in November 1962, when the Indians started receiving massive arms aid from the US in the aftermath of the Sino-Indian border clash, Pakistan’s sin in accepting US arms aid leading to the abrogation of the Kashmir commitment was replicated by India. During the Sino-India clash, the US administration begged Ayub Khan to refrain from “seizing Kashmir” – a gesture that Kennedy wrote to say would be deeply “appreciated by India”.

Oddly, the correspondence between Ayub Khan and Kennedy in the winter of 1962-63 never pressed home the logic that India’s raison d’etat for going back on the Kashmir plebiscite promise was upturned by the same event. Had the Indo-Pak war of September 1965 occurred in November 1962, the Valley would have fallen like a plum in Pakistan’s lap – and all Pakistan had to do was to hand it over to the UN for holding a plebiscite. But Ayub Khan was a Sandhurst-trained gentleman officer. ‘You don’t attack your neighbour, no matter how much he has wronged you, if he is down and out’.

We will now fast track to the Simla Agreement of 1972. In the preceding decade, two wars were fought with India and half of Pakistan lost. Prima facie the Simla Pact does not read like the Treaty of Versailles, which inflicted heavy penalties on Germany on the conclusion of WW-I. It does not read as if Pakistan lost the war of 1971; but, it is a masterpiece of hidden intent: It introduced the concept of “bilateralism” in sweet-sounding language.

It was not fully appreciated at the time what it meant. Its meaning only became clear later. Kashmir was no longer an international dispute, subject to UN resolutions, but, an India-Pakistan dispute, to be settled by the victor of the 1971 war. It is thus an unequal treaty. Both parties swore that no unilateral action would be taken by either party “to alter the ceasefire line as of December 17, 1971, which would be respected by both sides without prejudice.”

True, the Siachen glacier was a no man’s land. The Line of Control stopped well below the glaciers at a point marked NJ9842 on the maps and did not extend north to the glaciers. Therein lay the ambiguity of the 1949 agreement that left delimitation vague in the glacier region. In disregard of the Simla spirit and the written words of the agreement, on April 13, 1984 India occupied two key mountain passes in the glacier which have strategic importance for Pakistan and China.

On June 17, 1989, an agreement was reached on Siachen between the defence secretaries of India and Pakistan, which reads: “There was agreement by both sides to work towards a comprehensive settlement, based on redeployment of forces to reduce the chances of conflict, avoidance of the use of force and the determination of future positions on the ground so as to conform with the Simla Agreement and to ensure durable peace in the Siachen area. The army authorities of both sides will determine these positions.”

The agreement was repudiated by New Delhi without giving reasons. The dispute remains locked in its frozen wasteland, for the last 18 years. The Indian demand is delimitation of positions based on “ground realities” – this expression is code language to cover up the initial aggression and to position its claim in the future, if and when the LoC is to be delimited in the glacier region. Pakistan Kargil misadventure was essentially in response to the Siachen grab.

Let us now move to the early 1990s. Indian Prime Minister Narasimha Rao declared, “If autonomy (in Kashmir) is acceptable (to Pakistan), the sky is the limit.”

President General Musharraf’s four proposals have been welcomed in the Valley and accepted by a wide range of Kashmiri opinion which includes the influential and brave, Mirwaiz of Kashmir. They do “formulate a set of proposals which rejectionists on either side would find difficult to reject…” But the above formulation needs to be revisited. It is hard to convince rejectionists such as Syed Ali Gilani or those demanding independence for the old state or the extremists in the BJP or the Jamaat-i-Islami that politics is the art of the possible; not the impossible. We have no apocalyptic visions. Therefore, the new initiative is to formulate proposals that civil society and the international community would find hard to reject. Civil society in both countries consists of businessmen, retired bureaucrats and defence officials, women’s organisations, student and labour leaders, journalists and professional organisations.

The above groups of civil society should engage in direct confabulations with one another. To give flesh to the above inter-connectivity and a real head-start to finding solutions at the level of civil society, we should relax our visa and trade policies. The sole determinant of the trade regime should be economic advantage minus political considerations.

India must reciprocate. It must give up its mantra of “cross-border terrorism”. For every six or seven Valley Kashmiris there is one fully armed combat soldier. The LoC is fenced (and mined); the Indian army operating under emergency laws is brutal and abuse of power is well documented. It is reported that the Indian security forces have developed self-serving interests. If India is shining, Indian Kashmir is in dark gloom. The Indians must be firmly reminded that the insurgency in the Valley is no different from the insurgencies in NEFA and Assam and other parts of India controlled by Maoists. Indeed, some of these insurgencies are today far more serious and more violent than in the Kashmir Valley. Surprisingly, our press is devoid of articles on these mutinies against authority.

To sum up, our faith in Indian ‘assurances’ is a little incredulous given the history of the past. We are the injured party and Indian civil society should appreciate this fact.

But, if nothing happens (notwithstanding the unrestrained optimism of Foreign Minister Kasuri), say within a year from – well after the Pakistan elections – it will be legitimate for Pakistan to repudiate the ‘bilateral’ clauses of the Simla Agreement, which, as stated earlier, is an unequal treaty. India, in retaliation, may decide to walk out of the agreement altogether; so be it. This agreement has failed to provide peace or security in Kashmir. It has not avoided war, nuclear weaponisation has. So long as “bilateralism” means an Indian monopoly in determination and interpretation being the bigger, the more powerful and in possession of the disputed area, India’s own decisions will be ruled by the safest option available. The Indian song is sweet and seductive but when it comes to ground realities in dealing with neighbours, it hardly moves a millimetre.

The writer is an MNA.
murbr@isb.paknet.com.pk

http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/29/ed.htm#4
 
Is the honeymoon with India over?

By M.P. Bhandara

Pakistan complied; rather over-complied.

We dont think so,

The Indians have conceded that illegal cross-border movement is down to a trickle, but, whenever they wish to stir the cauldron, terrorists are found coming out of the woodworks – such a declaration was made by the junior defence minister of India, last week.

We have yet another conspiracy theory, It is not in our interest to Internationalize the Kashmir issue, who's interest is it. Camps in Azad Kashmir stay. Therefore Terrorist are there, and they are just lying low.

President Musharraf’s open-ended four-point offer which is tailored to meet Indian sensibilities on Kashmir has evoked no official Indian response other than an endless backchannel dialogue.

Our Prime Minister is not a Media savvy person, Hope you get my drift.

In December 1953, the commitment to hold a plebiscite was broken by India on the plea that Pakistan was about to accept arms aid from the US. Nehru declared the plebiscite promise null and void. Never was it said anywhere that the UN resolutions accepted by India were latched to any conditionalities. Indeed, in August 1953, when the last Indian assurance for a plebiscite was given, it was well known that Pakistan was negotiating an arms pact with the US. India broke its word to its neighbour; the end of this story is yet to be written.

The Writer should go read about the conditions for Peblicite to be carried out.

It can be said in retrospect that all Pakistan’s miseries, wars, religious fanaticism, alienation and subcontinental disunity can be traced back to this broken pledge. If, God forbid, there is a nuclear war some day, its origin will lie in this broken promise.

Blame it on India routine, very tired old Pakistani Establishment's method to control its poor population.

Pakistan was labelled a “lackey of imperialism” in the so-called non-aligned club headed by Tito and Nehru.

Tito is a communist, Nehru is a socialist. They were talking about Pakistan actively helping American interest against the soviets. U-2 over-flights anyone.

the US administration begged Ayub Khan to refrain from “seizing Kashmir” – a gesture that Kennedy wrote to say would be deeply “appreciated by India”.

No, Pakistan wasnt prepared for a War at that time. They were reciving and raising new Regiments, New tanks and Jets. They got ready in 1965, refer the 1965 thread for more details and the amount of time taken for planning gilbetar. Anyways Chinese withdrew faster than they attacked.


Pakistan Kargil misadventure was essentially in response to the Siachen grab
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True.

President General Musharraf’s four proposals have been welcomed in the Valley and accepted by a wide range of Kashmiri opinion which includes the influential and brave, Mirwaiz of Kashmir.

He is not the spoksperson of the Kashmiri people. Brave?lol

India must reciprocate. It must give up its mantra of “cross-border terrorism”. For every six or seven Valley Kashmiris there is one fully armed combat soldier.

what a stupid assesment. We come to the 700,000 soldiers again. Why dont Pakistan Nuke the valley and take over the rest of India. Cuz there are no other soldiers left. Does other even know how deployments are done, What kind of logistics it takes. Kashmir is a bottleneck.

The Indians must be firmly reminded that the insurgency in the Valley is no different from the insurgencies in NEFA and Assam and other parts of India controlled by Maoists. Indeed, some of these insurgencies are today far more serious and more violent than in the Kashmir Valley. Surprisingly, our press is devoid of articles on these mutinies against authority.

Stupid assumptions again. Maoist dont control anything. Does this person know what is the objective of a Maoist.

ULFA, Bodo and Kashmiri Militants are the only threat. ie Assam, Nagaland and Kashmir.

To sum up, our faith in Indian ‘assurances’ is a little incredulous given the history of the past. We are the injured party and Indian civil society should appreciate this fact.

Are we back to acceptance and submissions. Insecurity runs deep.
 
Shall i tell you why Pakistan has comlied, its not out of choice but due to compulsion. Compulsion in the form of NATO presence in its western borders and increases militant threat to its western areas.

Its in India's interest to make sure we get the maximum out of the situation.

Mushraff is no peace nik that he came and started offering peace deals to India. He is the same guy who masterminded the Kargil war. Why would such a guy have a change of mind and realise the futility of 50 yrs of cross border terrorism?

Pakistan has got squeezed. But its still not squeezed to the max. It got only 90K soldiers on its western borders that might include para military. Wehn the figure goes upto 200K or 250 K we would see a drastic change in the way Pakistan behaves and acts.
 
I guess we could always attempt seizing Kashmir again... What's India going to do about it? Amass 1 million troops on the border for 10 months and go back.
 
I guess we could always attempt seizing Kashmir again... What's India going to do about it? Amass 1 million troops on the border for 10 months and go back.

You tried from 1947; for no avail, We have been more than a match. So best of luck. What happened cuz of that 10 months, You came with peace deals, we understood our Deployment problems. We are still here, We still hold all the territories you claim. including siachin
 
Adu, the peaks have been changing sides in almost every crisis, nothing there has ever been 'permanent'. And btw we too have proven to be more than a match to you guys. ;)

Best what came out of Kargill is a mutual understanding of eachothers might and capability. The learnings should prevent future conflicts for a long time.
 
Well my friend, I never doubted the capability of the Pakistani's. I consider you in all my honesty far far better than the chinese.
I will have to without sounding arrogant, that I do believer we are more than capable in comparison with you. Peaks changing hands I give it more to the climate and deployment schedule's rather than Pakistani capability in firepower.
 
Peaks changing hands I give it more to the climate and deployment schedule's rather than Pakistani capability in firepower.

Check with LT, he'll confirm otherwise.
 
Well all these years you had a unfair advantage over us as we had more than one front to be bothered about and you only had one.

But now things have changed and India is moving in quick to make sure that this situation remains the same for quite sometime to come.

Pakistan realises this and thats the reason why they have come down on their demands on Kashmir.

About might and firepower, lets see how you fare when you have to look west as well as east and south.
 
And yeah amassing of troops were not bcoz of Kashmir but something else, so lets leave that there.
 
It takes 2 create a show
In any honeymoon both the parties have their own sides to protect while playing the GAME
 
I thought we were more-over like two brothers fighting over Dad's Wealth
 
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