Is Saudi Arabia interested in the F-35?

[The SC]

KSA is getting export version and Israel gets better version then export ones and they customize them too, KSA is no way near that and US will not help KSA in conflict with Israel and US can do what UK did to Iraq during gulf war, share secrets of equipments compromising their capabilities.

KSA gets custom made weapons from the US..there are protocols to be respected when you pay for your weapons.. if what you say can be true, then KSA can give China and Russia access to the US technologies.. but there are protocols signed and precautions taken by both sides.. Usrael develop its own systems based on the US available technologies, otherwise they can't integrate them in US made weapon systems..

 

[Basel]

KSA gets custom made weapons from the US..there are protocols to be respected when you pay for your weapons.. if what you say can e true, than KSA can give China and Russia access to the US technologies.. but there are protocols signed and precautions taken by both sides.. Usrael develop its own systems based on the US available technologies, otherwise they can't integrate them in US made weapon systems..

If you expect that west will respect those protocols then you are mistaken, Iraq is one good example.

 

[The SC]

If they get US support in development of 5th gen plane then they can go in production in 10 years because US companies already have plenty 5th gen systems readily available they don't have to reinvent the wheel.

They don't get that support or a very limited support.. read about US refusal to provide SK with the F-35 sensitive tech for their 5th G project.. they have to buy the F-35 to get some tech but not enough or what they specifically want..

If you expect that west will respect those protocols then you are mistaken, Iraq is one good example.

I said precautions have been taken by KSA..

 

[Basel]

They don't get that support or a very limited support.. read about US refusal to provide SK with the F-35 sensitive tech for their 5th G project.. they have to buy the F-35 to get some tech but not enough or what they specifically want..

But US is ready to support Japanese 5th gen program because Japan wanted F-22 which US refused and F-35 will not be their air dominance fighter as it is not made to be one, so if KSA jumps in that 5th gen project can be rapidly developed.

 

[The SC]

But US is ready to support Japanese 5th gen program because Japan wanted F-22 which US refused and F-35 will not be their air dominance fighter as it is not made to be one, so if KSA jumps in that 5th gen project can be rapidly developed.

Well, the fact is that Japan has almost finished its 5th G design, even the engines are from Mitsubichi.. the problem is, it is not sure if they will be allowed to sell it if very sensitive US tech is involved!

 

[Basel]

Well, the fact is that Japan has almost finished their 5th G design, even the engines are from Mutsubichi.. the problem is it is not sure if they will be allowed to sell it if very sensitive US tech is involved!

Japanese 5th gen will be better then F-35 specially in air to air role as it is based on requirement of having some thing similar to F-22.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Japanese 5th gen will be better then F-35 specially in air to air role as it is based on requirement of having some thing similar to F-22.

Japan's indigenous 5th gen fighter will remain a pipe dream, and they will stick with the F-35.

 

[The SC]

Japanese 5th gen will be better then F-35 specially in air to air role as it is based on requirement of having some thing similar to F-22.

That is the point..and since the US still has a lot of influence on Japan it might not want it to sell this sensitive and most advanced tech, otherwise it would sell its own F-22 and make money instead of Japan..

 

[EpiiC]

Japanese 5th gen will be better then F-35 specially in air to air role as it is based on requirement of having some thing similar to F-22.

F-35 is the best plane available and Japan can't make something better than that.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Most KSA Ground Crew are American contractors, which are unlikely
to be available for attacking Israel.
I doubt KSA has any plans to compete with Israel anyway.

 

[Basel]

F-35 is the best plane available and Japan can't make something better than that.

Don't underestimate Japanese capabilities, if they pursue local 5th gen bird then they have capability to do it better then many other countries.

 

[EpiiC]

Don't underestimate Japanese capabilities, if they pursue local 5th gen bird then they have capability to do it better then many other countries.

Yh they could build a good bird but not straight away better than F-35..... F-35 is a bad *** plane and better than anyone else in the world has to offer.

 

[dani191]

KSA gets custom made weapons from the US..there are protocols to be respected when you pay for your weapons.. if what you say can be true, then KSA can give China and Russia access to the US technologies.. but there are protocols signed and precautions taken by both sides.. Usrael develop its own systems based on the US available technologies, otherwise they can't integrate them in US made weapon systems..

i see you like to underestimate israel like we dont have capbilty to develop alone things and we need usa help
pure
jealousy tell me what tech usa gave us ?

Israeli industries are the 'Silicon Valley' of the world of security in the world "
The American company DRS has five collaborations with large Israeli defense industries in order to produce products in Israel and sell them to the US Defense Department. Meanwhile, there has been one big success. "We see Israel as a development house for military technologies that is fast and cheap compared to the US," said Michael Coulter, director of international operations for DRS in a special interview
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"We are focused on customers in the US, especially the army and Navy, and also the Air Force. From our point of view, working with Israeli industries is advantageous because of the speed of development and the low cost compared to similar development in the US, "says Michael Coulter, DRS's international operations manager in a special interview with Israel Defense. "We know what the requirements are according to the budget lines in the US and we are matching the requirements with the capabilities of the Israeli industries."

DRS was acquired by Italian company Leonardo-Finmeccanica in 2008, with the intention of owning a "pure" US defense company that is familiar with the US Department of Defense procurement and equipping process. The company represents DRS in Israel and David Assaf On from ATG.

One of the first projects to be carried out is the development of DRS together with IMI systems of a hydraulic launcher for bridgehead for the American army to be installed on the M1A1 Abrahams tanks. In 2012, the US Army purchased two models, and in May 2016, DRS won a $ 31 million tender with an option to expand to 365 units.

Another project that DRS is doing with Rafael is marketing a "windbreaker" system for the US military. In light of the challenges of the American military in Europe, he wants to equip himself with an active defense system for RCO and he manages two tracks - one for the rapid acquisition of an existing system and two for the development of a modular system called MAPS. Take at least five years.

DRS also collaborates with Bet El Systems to sell air filtration systems to US Army Recruits. The company also has a partnership with Rada around radar to identify small flying for the Marines and the army. DRS has also set up multiple robots around a major US military robot auction named CRS-I.

"The US secretary of defense wants new technologies and he understands that not all of them will come from the big American industries," Coulter explains, "so we're in touch with companies in Silicon Valley. Israel's defense industries are reminiscent of Silicon Valley in their innovation. It's as close as I've ever seen it in the world.

"Another common area between Israel and the United States is common security challenges in the Middle East. However, if we examine the requirements of the Department of Defense, some are not related to the Middle East, but to Europe. For example, the demand to equip active defense systems for the Reconnaissance Unit came from the joint command of the United States and Europe. "

What technologies are you looking for in the future?

"We notice that one of the challenges on the modern battlefield is energy," says Coulter. "All the smart systems that are placed on the IAF require energy. One of the directions is the development of the combined drive of an electric motor and an internal combustion engine. The US military has invested in this in Afghanistan and Iraq in the Stryker APC, we have done research in the past and we are looking for a partner to develop such technology, another technology is laser, especially the US Navy is looking for such technologies. Them with Israeli industries. Maybe there will be cooperation around this. "

What is the benefit of collaborating with DRS in the eyes of an Israeli company?

"To sell to the US Department of Defense you need to know how the process works. It is not easy. You should also be in touch with customers, the military, the Navy or the Air Force, to understand their requirements. For an Israeli company of any size, doing business in the US is not simple, and the relationship with DRS is an advantage in this direction, "explains Coulter.

"Beyond the Ministry of Defense's tenders, the product of the Israeli company becomes an American product, with all the implications of this in terms of international export, which makes it possible to sell it under FMS programs in which the US provides foreign aid to countries around the world. Under the FMS, the state can receive subsidies from the US and then it is worth buying the product, even if there is no financial aid, the FMS allows the country to buy the product from the US government at the price it buys, Higher.

"Another advantage is the relationship with Leonardo, the owner of DRS, since the systems are connected, every product that DRS markets is also exposed to Leonardo customers around the world.

"Another aspect in terms of the end customer is buying a product that the US is using because of the support and guidance. If a customer buys the Abrams tank, he does not buy it just because of the quality of the product, but because he gets a whole package of training, joint training, maintenance, and everything that needs to be turned on.

The US Defense Market Where?

"The US defense budget is the largest in the world, and it will continue to be. Therefore, the US market will continue to be a primary target for any US or Israeli defense company, "says Coulter," Every US defense company, if you examine it, will see that between 50 and 100 percent of its sales are to the domestic market. A small share in DRS exports is 25 percent and it is considered high.

"After the withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, there were several years of a decline in the defense budget and many American companies began to give more weight to export, but this trend has been halted, and in the last three years stagnation and even a rebound in the defense budget, partly due to demands in the Middle East and Asia. Larger, it is due to periodic renewal plans of old systems, for example DRS has a part in upgrading the US submarine fleet. There are systems that the US needs to upgrade every few years regardless of conflicts
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/he/content/התעשיות-הישראליות-הן-עמק-הסיליקון-של-עולם-הביטחון-בעולם
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If really interested, it will get it.. the same story as the F-15 plus AWACs that Usrael didn't get..
The problem is real interest.. because KSA do not operate any single engine fighter aircrafts!!!

usa buy from us awacks what are you talking about

 

[The SC]

i see you like to underestimate israel like we dont have capbilty to develop alone things and we need usa help
pure
jealousy tell me what tech usa gave us ?

Israeli industries are the 'Silicon Valley' of the world of security in the world "
The American company DRS has five collaborations with large Israeli defense industries in order to produce products in Israel and sell them to the US Defense Department. Meanwhile, there has been one big success. "We see Israel as a development house for military technologies that is fast and cheap compared to the US," said Michael Coulter, director of international operations for DRS in a special interview
Ami Rukhas Domba 14/06/2016 Contact author
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Source / copyright: DRS Technologies, Inc.
"We are focused on customers in the US, especially the army and Navy, and also the Air Force. From our point of view, working with Israeli industries is advantageous because of the speed of development and the low cost compared to similar development in the US, "says Michael Coulter, DRS's international operations manager in a special interview with Israel Defense. "We know what the requirements are according to the budget lines in the US and we are matching the requirements with the capabilities of the Israeli industries."

DRS was acquired by Italian company Leonardo-Finmeccanica in 2008, with the intention of owning a "pure" US defense company that is familiar with the US Department of Defense procurement and equipping process. The company represents DRS in Israel and David Assaf On from ATG.

One of the first projects to be carried out is the development of DRS together with IMI systems of a hydraulic launcher for bridgehead for the American army to be installed on the M1A1 Abrahams tanks. In 2012, the US Army purchased two models, and in May 2016, DRS won a $ 31 million tender with an option to expand to 365 units.

Another project that DRS is doing with Rafael is marketing a "windbreaker" system for the US military. In light of the challenges of the American military in Europe, he wants to equip himself with an active defense system for RCO and he manages two tracks - one for the rapid acquisition of an existing system and two for the development of a modular system called MAPS. Take at least five years.

DRS also collaborates with Bet El Systems to sell air filtration systems to US Army Recruits. The company also has a partnership with Rada around radar to identify small flying for the Marines and the army. DRS has also set up multiple robots around a major US military robot auction named CRS-I.

"The US secretary of defense wants new technologies and he understands that not all of them will come from the big American industries," Coulter explains, "so we're in touch with companies in Silicon Valley. Israel's defense industries are reminiscent of Silicon Valley in their innovation. It's as close as I've ever seen it in the world.

"Another common area between Israel and the United States is common security challenges in the Middle East. However, if we examine the requirements of the Department of Defense, some are not related to the Middle East, but to Europe. For example, the demand to equip active defense systems for the Reconnaissance Unit came from the joint command of the United States and Europe. "

What technologies are you looking for in the future?

"We notice that one of the challenges on the modern battlefield is energy," says Coulter. "All the smart systems that are placed on the IAF require energy. One of the directions is the development of the combined drive of an electric motor and an internal combustion engine. The US military has invested in this in Afghanistan and Iraq in the Stryker APC, we have done research in the past and we are looking for a partner to develop such technology, another technology is laser, especially the US Navy is looking for such technologies. Them with Israeli industries. Maybe there will be cooperation around this. "

What is the benefit of collaborating with DRS in the eyes of an Israeli company?

"To sell to the US Department of Defense you need to know how the process works. It is not easy. You should also be in touch with customers, the military, the Navy or the Air Force, to understand their requirements. For an Israeli company of any size, doing business in the US is not simple, and the relationship with DRS is an advantage in this direction, "explains Coulter.

"Beyond the Ministry of Defense's tenders, the product of the Israeli company becomes an American product, with all the implications of this in terms of international export, which makes it possible to sell it under FMS programs in which the US provides foreign aid to countries around the world. Under the FMS, the state can receive subsidies from the US and then it is worth buying the product, even if there is no financial aid, the FMS allows the country to buy the product from the US government at the price it buys, Higher.

"Another advantage is the relationship with Leonardo, the owner of DRS, since the systems are connected, every product that DRS markets is also exposed to Leonardo customers around the world.

"Another aspect in terms of the end customer is buying a product that the US is using because of the support and guidance. If a customer buys the Abrams tank, he does not buy it just because of the quality of the product, but because he gets a whole package of training, joint training, maintenance, and everything that needs to be turned on.

The US Defense Market Where?

"The US defense budget is the largest in the world, and it will continue to be. Therefore, the US market will continue to be a primary target for any US or Israeli defense company, "says Coulter," Every US defense company, if you examine it, will see that between 50 and 100 percent of its sales are to the domestic market. A small share in DRS exports is 25 percent and it is considered high.

"After the withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, there were several years of a decline in the defense budget and many American companies began to give more weight to export, but this trend has been halted, and in the last three years stagnation and even a rebound in the defense budget, partly due to demands in the Middle East and Asia. Larger, it is due to periodic renewal plans of old systems, for example DRS has a part in upgrading the US submarine fleet. There are systems that the US needs to upgrade every few years regardless of conflicts
http://www.israeldefense.co.il/he/content/התעשיות-הישראליות-הן-עמק-הסיליקון-של-עולם-הביטחון-בעולם
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usa buy from us awacks what are you talking about

 

[C130]

F15 seems much better, silent eagle or SA

it's not.