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A Russian serviceman holds a red flag onboard a T-14 Armata tank after it stopped during a rehearsal for the Victory Day parade in Red Square in central Moscow, May 7.
Rolling through Red Square to the tune of patriotic war hymns, Russia's new battle tank, the Armata T-14, will surely steal the show on Saturday during Moscow's blowout celebration of the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Union's victory over Nazi Germany in World War II.

But despite the pomp and circumstance of its unveiling, experts said that the massive new tank, hailed by Russia's media as one of the best combat vehicles in the world, is hardly a revolution in warfare.

The Armata may be more effective and safer than Russia's Soviet-era tanks, but in its current version it is hardly a vast leap ahead in tank design, according to Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Moscow-based Center for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, a defense think tank.

"The Armata is certainly not a game changer," said Ben Moores, a senior analyst at international defense consultancy IHS. Rather, the new tank is "just a more modern and effective vehicle than previous Russian tanks," he said in e-mailed comments.

Same Shells, New Tank
When the tank enters serial production, slated to start as early as next year, Armata will come standard with a 125 mm cannon capable of firing several types of shells and even anti-tank guided missiles — but these munitions are already fielded by older and cheaper Russian tanks like the T-72.

Though the cannon is a new design, "Armata will be using ammunition manufactured for the T-72," said Pukhov.

This will leave Armata firing shells with shorter range and lower impact velocity than Western analogues, according to Pukhov.

The tank, will, however, be a vast improvement on Soviet designs. As Moores explained, "the key to tanks is their mission system fit (targeting, command and control, and protection)." And in these respects, Armata represents a substantial improvement over older tanks.

The Armata is highly automated compared to its Soviet predecessors, featuring an advanced targeting system that makes it faster and more accurate than older tanks.

It also represents a new approach to vehicle construction more in line with Western tank design's focus on armor, offering its crews better survival prospects than any other Russian tank ever fielded. Beneath its armored shell, the crew is sheltered in an isolated capsule forward of the tank's turret, which is controlled remotely.

Game Changer?
But while the tank may not be a game-changer, it may represent a shift in Russian thinking in the field of tank design — or perhaps just the result of industrial lobbyism and the manufacturer's unwavering loyalty to the Kremlin.

While the tank will certainly boost Russia's military strength if deployed in great numbers, Russia has little immediate need for the tank.

A force of the older T-90s, the mainstay of Russia's tank corps, would be sufficient for Russia to throw its weight around the near-abroad. Rebels backed by Russia in eastern Ukraine have given Kiev a run for its money with far less.

Instead, other factors such as a higher regard for crew safety in post-Soviet Russia, and greater exposure to Western design philosophies, contributed to the design of a new tank, Pukhov said.

"Obviously, the tank absorbed the best of what has been invented [abroad] over the last 30 years," he said.

There may have also been an element of lobbyism to designing and developing a new tank. Plant workers at Armata's manufacturer, UralVagonZavod, have been strident supporters of President Vladimir Putin since at least 2011, when they pledged to drive tanks almost 2,000 kilometers from their factory in the Urals to Moscow to crush large opposition protests.

Less than a year later, Putin personally offered the deputy head of UralVagonZavod's tank production department a position as his personal envoy to the Urals region. This was followed in 2013 by the Defense Ministry's first order for Armata tanks.

The loyalty appears to have paid off. As part of the state's massive 20 trillion ruble ($400 billion) rearmament campaign through 2020, the military hopes to procure up to 2,300 of the Armata tanks. The unit cost of a T-14 is not yet known publicly.
Source: https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/is-russias-new-armata-tank-the-best-in-the-world-46401
 
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No, it wouldn't.
Israel is about to develop new 5th generation tanks that I am sure will be better.
Anyways, Russia cant produce enough of those, logistically and economically speaking.
 
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To be honest a next generation tank should be able to accommodate an active countermeasure system for incoming missles or a projectiles which can destroy the incoming missile before impact. We all know that even in this age an unguided RPG worth few 100 dollars can lay waste or critically damage a tank worth over a hundred thousands.

No, it wouldn't.
Israel is about to develop new 5th generation tanks that I am sure will be better.
Anyways, Russia cant produce enough of those, logistically and economically speaking.

It is still a waste of money as electronics countermeasure can do so much again incoming missiles. A barrage of few unguided missiles can still damage well armoured tanks. Next generation tanks need an active physical counter system which can destroy a missile prior to impact. I am trying to remember the new Israeli system which was intercept RPG or prior to impact. I wonder if that system can be made compact and put on a tank.
 
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To be honest a next generation tank should be able to accommodate an active countermeasure system for incoming missles or a projectiles which can destroy the incoming missile before impact. We all know that even in this age an unguided RPG worth few 100 dollars can lay waste or critically damage a tank worth over a hundred thousands.



It is still a waste of money as electronics countermeasure can do so much again incoming missiles. A barrage of few unguided missiles can still damage well armoured tanks. Next generation tanks need an active physical counter system which can destroy a missile prior to impact. I am trying to remember the new Israeli system which was intercept RPG or prior to impact. I wonder if that system can be made compact and put on a tank.
This is what those tanks have, they have 2-3 (Unconfirmed 3, but they said at least 2) APS.
And no one said what kinds of APS, it would be probably Iron Fist, Trophy and electronic countermeasure.
the Trophy and the Iron Fist were already displayed, both of them can destroy any missile.
There would be an IFV and a tank version, both will have the same hull and both will have those APS.
 
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No, it wouldn't.
Israel is about to develop new 5th generation tanks that I am sure will be better.
Anyways, Russia cant produce enough of those, logistically and economically speaking.
Russia's economy is much larger than that of Israel and Russia actually has an export market. Israel has never exported tanks or fighter jets but rather electronics and missiles. Current Israel Merkeva tanks are nowhere near the M1A2 or
Leopard 2A6 tanks. And Russia have been producing some of the best tanks since the days of WW2. They have more experience than Israel in that regard.

This is what those tanks have, they have 2-3 (Unconfirmed 3, but they said at least 2) APS.
And no one said what kinds of APS, it would be probably Iron Fist, Trophy and electronic countermeasure.
the Trophy and the Iron Fist were already displayed, both of them can destroy any missile.
There would be an IFV and a tank version, both will have the same hull and both will have those APS.
APS aren't fool proof. Firing 2 missiles simultaneously from the same location can easily defeat the APS. APS that of Israel have an idle time of 0.2 to 0.4 seconds.
 
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Russia's economy is much larger than that of Israel and Russia actually has an export market. Israel has never exported tanks or fighter jets but rather electronics and missiles. Current Israel Merkeva tanks are nowhere near the M1A2 or
Leopard 2A6 tanks. And Russia have been producing some of the best tanks since the days of WW2. They have more experience than Israel in that regard.


APS aren't fool proof. Firing 2 missiles simultaneously from the same location can easily defeat the APS. APS that of Israel have an idle time of 0.2 to 0.4 seconds.
Russia is also 777 times larger than Israel yet have economy that is only about 5-4 times bigger.
Israel never exported tanks or fighter jets? Sorry, you're wrong
Tanks:
1. M60T Sabra, to Turkey
2. Merkava Mk4 to Singapore
The Turkish also wanted to buy 1000 Merkava Mk3 to their army but cancelled because of political reasons
Jets:
1. the Lavi, was sold to China, today's J10
2. the Nesher, exported to Argentine and South Africa
3. the Kfir, was sold to Colombia, Ecuador, Sri Lanka and the United States navy/marines.
4. Israel also upgraded the Turkish F4Es

Ahahaha, Israeli Merkava is far better than the M1A2 Abrams, its faster, more protected armor wise, has an APS that the M1A2 doesn't, can fire ATGMs that the M1A2 cant, can drive for longer ranges, has Radiation/Chemical/Biological survival capability, can be used as an APC, has more secondary weapons that means more protection.

the Merkava is faster offroad than the 2A6, it has more and better armor, it has an APS, it can fire ATGMs (the 2A6 can also fire the same Israeli LAHAT ATGM, but cannot hit the Merkava since it has an APS), has Radiation/Chemical/Biological survival capability that the 2A6 doesn't, it can be used as an APC which the 2A6 cant and has more secondary weapons.

Firing 2 missiles at the same against the 5th generation tank will be useless because it has 2 different direct impact APS and maybe an electronic warfare APS too.
Against the Merkava only armed with Trophy, this also would be useless, as the Trophy uses SHOTGUN LIKE pellets, that will just destroy both of the rockets.
 
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Politics And Diplomacy
By YOSSI MELMAN \
05/01/2016 12:38

Israel and Singapore: The ties that bind
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The French newsletter Intelligence Online wrote last year [note: that's 2015] that Singapore also purchased dozens [note: that's a least 24 then] of Israel made Merkava tanks to be used as artillery to repel any future invasion of the country.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Intelligence-File-The-ties-that-bind-452543

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Issue no. 715 dated 02 july, 2014
ISRAEL / SINGAPORE
Singapore looks out for Israeli defence interests
Israel's threatened Merkava tank production line has been saved by a decisive contract with Singapore, Israel's partner in a long-standing security pact.(...)
https://www.intelligenceonline.com/...t-for-israeli-defence-interests,108029226-ART

Source IntelligenceOnline.com reported that Singapore would be the first foreign buyer of major Israeli Merkava tanks. According to the report, Singapore signed a contract for the purchase of 50 new Merkava Mk 4 tanks. According to the resource, the transaction amount reaches $ 500 million

Earlier, at the beginning of June 2014, the Israeli newspaper "Yediot Ahronot", citing a source in the Israeli Defense Ministry, announced the signing (of the Ministry of Defence Shibata) export agency's first export contract for the Merkava Mk 4 tanks, without naming the customer and saying only that it is a country, "related long-term relationships with Israel in the field of security. "Also does not provide any details, except that the amount of the contract is "several hundred million dollars."

Shall we dispense with the exchange of insults now, gentlemen?

It coincides in time with reports that Isreael is looking to market the Merkava IV actively
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-merkava-tank-battle-for-exports-deals-1000920477
http://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...li-made_main_battle_tank_merkava_2303143.html

Army Technology mentions : "The Merkava 4 is slightly larger than the Merkava 3 Baz, which has been in service with the IDF since 1990. The Merkava 3 is offered for export by SIBAT based in Tel Aviv. The Merkava 4 is not offered for export but the systems and components are exported."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava4/

Keep in mind that Singapore may also be looking to (further) modernized its Leopard 2SGs.
 
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Russia's economy is much larger than that of Israel and Russia actually has an export market. Israel has never exported tanks or fighter jets but rather electronics and missiles. Current Israel Merkeva tanks are nowhere near the M1A2 or
Leopard 2A6 tanks. And Russia have been producing some of the best tanks since the days of WW2. They have more experience than Israel in that regard.


APS aren't fool proof. Firing 2 missiles simultaneously from the same location can easily defeat the APS. APS that of Israel have an idle time of 0.2 to 0.4 seconds.
lol, Merkava is designed for Israel's needs, and it's not suited for most countries.
For Israel's terrain it's perfect, but for other countries it isn't.
Claiming that Merkava 4 isn't as good is no sense.
 
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Israel is good at not only electronics, but also missiles and armour technology. Turkey and Israel upgraded Turkish obsolete M-60 tanks and delivered to Turkish Land Forces thanks to Israeli upgrade kits. Upgraded M-60T's have been used actively by our Army. In recent clashes, ISIS fired a Kornet missile to M-60T stationed in Turkey's Iraqi base but It couldn't penetrate its turret from right corner side. It is a good indication for us to trust the quality of Israeli armor in bad times.

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Instead of making sh*t up, try showing some proof. The 2014 story was debunked ages ago, and were now in the middle of 2016...stop trying to spread fake news, dumbass.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Intelligence-File-The-ties-that-bind-452543


https://www.intelligenceonline.com/...t-for-israeli-defence-interests,108029226-ART

Source IntelligenceOnline.com reported that Singapore would be the first foreign buyer of major Israeli Merkava tanks. According to the report, Singapore signed a contract for the purchase of 50 new Merkava Mk 4 tanks. According to the resource, the transaction amount reaches $ 500 million

Earlier, at the beginning of June 2014, the Israeli newspaper "Yediot Ahronot", citing a source in the Israeli Defense Ministry, announced the signing (of the Ministry of Defence Shibata) export agency's first export contract for the Merkava Mk 4 tanks, without naming the customer and saying only that it is a country, "related long-term relationships with Israel in the field of security. "Also does not provide any details, except that the amount of the contract is "several hundred million dollars."

Shall we dispense with the exchange of insults now, gentlemen?

It coincides in time with reports that Isreael is looking to market the Merkava IV actively
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-merkava-tank-battle-for-exports-deals-1000920477
http://www.armyrecognition.com/marc...li-made_main_battle_tank_merkava_2303143.html

Army Technology mentions : "The Merkava 4 is slightly larger than the Merkava 3 Baz, which has been in service with the IDF since 1990. The Merkava 3 is offered for export by SIBAT based in Tel Aviv. The Merkava 4 is not offered for export but the systems and components are exported."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava4/

Keep in mind that Singapore may also be looking to (further) modernized its Leopard 2SGs.

Just connecting the dots here, and btw, talk nice, doesn't make u look better
 
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