Is Pan Islamism a remedy for IS threat?

[Kao Boy]

No idea what you meant there. .Can you elaborate?

Sorry could not be eloquent enough to express my self... Muslim vs rest (Sect vs Sect) is what IS doing perhaps covertly or overtly but it is an on going issue, which terror groups like IS is taking advantage of.... When u mentioned Muslim vs rest, I meant the same ideology....

I do believe that if all Muslim countries team up in a alliance to combat ISIS then yes Pan-Islamism can defeat ISIS.

Also, Muslim countries, particularly in the middle east need a lot of political and economic reforms. They need to transition away from dictatorships and monarchies and embrace a form of democracy that is compatible with their respective societies. The people want their voices heard and the governments should listen to their people rather than suppress their voices through the use of brute force. Such actions on the part of the state leads to civil wars (Syria) and make room for ISIS like movements to fill in the power vacuum.[/QUOTE
Majority of Muslim countries have the blame of either fostering or exporting terrorism on International stage such effort can really uplift the image and participation on decision making...

 

[acid rain]

Sorry could not be eloquent enough to express my self... Muslim vs rest (Sect vs Sect) is what IS doing perhaps covertly or overtly but it is an on going issue, which terror groups like IS is taking advantage of.... When u mentioned Muslim vs rest, I meant the same ideology....

Oh ok..your emphasis is on isis vs ummah..While I went a step ahead (if you don't mind)..general tendency of Muslims is to blame their failures and shortcomings on external forces...

For E. G. Taliban, AQ, ISIS etc etc is being credited to Israel, US, UK...While the pakistanis credit isis, ttp to India and taliban to the americans..they also tend to blame every other non muslim country including russia..China for their miseries.
Also general tendency to justify wahaabism and extremism on external factors...they blame every known intel agency and non muslim nation for "funding" their own terrorists.


For E. G. If you ask the turks..they might blame Iran russia Syria for Isis. .Pakistanis will blame RAW for Isis, the Iranian will blame the Israelis for Isis. ..the Saudi will blame the Syrian, the shia, the Iranian for Isis...the rest will blame the Russian the burmese the Chinese for the alleged atrocities on their muslims which fuelled recruitment from their countries into isis...same goes for the west..For not providing Shariah zones in Britain and France. .isis ranks are swelling with "British and french" recruits.

Assuming they bring all these countries together and each having its own enemies and it's own agendas..which essentially means the ummah is up against most of the world and it's agencies before they set out to war with the isis.

 

[Kao Boy]

Oh ok..your emphasis is on isis vs ummah..While I went a step ahead (if you don't mind)..general tendency of Muslims is to blame their failures and shortcomings on external forces...

For E. G. Taliban, AQ, ISIS etc etc is being credited to Israel, US, UK...While the pakistanis credit isis, ttp to India and taliban to the americans..they also tend to blame every other non muslim country including russia..China for their miseries.
Also general tendency to justify wahaabism and extremism on external factors...they blame every known intel agency and non muslim nation for "funding" their own terrorists.


For E. G. If you ask the turks..they might blame Iran russia Syria for Isis. .Pakistanis will blame RAW for Isis, the Iranian will blame the Israelis for Isis. ..the Saudi will blame the Syrian, the shia, the Iranian for Isis...the rest will blame the Russian the burmese the Chinese for the alleged atrocities on their muslims which fuelled recruitment from their countries into isis...same goes for the west..For not providing Shariah zones in Britain and France. .isis ranks are swelling with "British and french" recruits.

Assuming they bring all these countries together and each having its own enemies and it's own agendas..which essentially means the ummah is up against most of the world and it's agencies before they set out to war with the isis.

Yes, I am aware of this blame game... however our focus through this post is to explore possibilities of using such Islamic Ideology against hate groups..

If you look back in History every terror group is a brain child of such Ideology like to gather nations together and creating a nation which runs on Sharia or Islamic Laws but the only different is that they wants to pursue the dream through violence... but what we are exploring is a peaceful mean to combat such threat...

 

[acid rain]

Yes, I am aware of this blame game... however our focus through this post is to explore possibilities of using such Islamic Ideology against hate groups..

If you look back in History every terror group is a brain child of such Ideology like to gather nations together and creating a nation which runs on Sharia or Islamic Laws but the only different is that they wants to pursue the dream through violence... but what we are exploring is a peaceful mean to combat such threat...

I doubt there's anything peaceful in what you are trying to propose..not when most of the states are in direct war/conflict/hatred/sectarianism/disputes etc with someone or the other or among themselves.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I believe pan islamism is nonsense. Muslim countries has nothing in common to unite them.

 

[Kao Boy]

I doubt there's anything peaceful in what you are trying to propose..not when most of the states are in direct war/conflict/hatred/sectarianism/disputes etc with someone or the other or among themselves.

I believe that what I am insisting on, if issues and differences can be settled. Problem is any liberal or modern Muslim is as enemy as any non Muslim or from a different sect for IS the terror group... it is a regional threat to Muslim inhabit ate countries like Non Muslim countries...

I believe pan islamism is nonsense. Muslim countries has nothing in common to unite them.

So how to combat Islamic State the terror group... don't u think spill over of that will come to IRAN as well someday?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I believe that what I am insisting on, if issues and differences can be settled. Problem is any liberal or modern Muslim is as enemy as any non Muslim or from a different sect for IS the terror group... it is a regional threat to Muslim inhabit ate countries like Non Muslim countries...


So how to combat Islamic State the terror group... don't u think spill over of that will come to IRAN as well someday?

You want to fight them go and arrest their recruiters around the world and line them against the wall without any trial .you do that and very soon such groups will become history.

 

[Kao Boy]

You want to fight them go and arrest their recruiters around the world and line them against the wall without any trial .you do that and very soon such groups will become history.

Focus can be shifted to thwart IS threat if IRAN, Russia and China stop backing Bashar.. this is nearly impossible to track online or local recruiters but alteast something can be done to halt existing fighters...

 

[Menace2Society]

The cure for IS is civilizing Arab countries. They are warped examples of nations.

Nationhood building needs to be done and properly this time. If it means redrawing borders then so be it.

IS has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It is an Arab problem.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Focus can be shifted to thwart IS threat if IRAN, Russia and China stop backing Bashar.. this is nearly impossible to track online or local recruiters but alteast something can be done to halt existing fighters...

Its easy to track them and also you can close their account . You can plant mule to find the ones who handle the recruits and arrest them.

And about bashar assad you countries like israel, turkey, ksa, jordan and qatar can stop supporting groups like al-nosra , Daesh &.... and after the terrorists cleared you see how people of syria choose a new leader that suit them not some militia leader or terrorist.

 

[Kao Boy]

The cure for IS is civilizing Arab countries. They are warped examples of nations.

Nationhood building needs to be done and properly this time. If it means redrawing borders then so be it.

IS has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It is an Arab problem.

I see something logical of urs coming on my post...


You are talking about PAN Islamism in other words...

 

[Menace2Society]

You are talking about PAN Islamism in other words...

I am talking about nation states built on foundations of cultural differences - language, music, dress etc etc. If there are no differences, create some then draw borders around it.

Separate religion from state.

Pan Islamism is precursor to fascism, will evolve into another IS style hydra, must be avoided.

 

[Frosty]

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. Truth is we Muslims are charitable people we don't blame Christianity for the Spanish inquisition, the crusades or burning Muslims in Africa. We don't point a finger to Buddhism for what those monks do in Burma. We call them what they are, Criminal acts.

So stop bringing Islam every time ISIS is mentioned.

 

[livingdead]

a muslim NATO is need of the hour... bangladesh and pakistan will commit manpower, arabs will give money and china will provide weapon system.

 

[Kao Boy]

I am talking about nation states built on foundations of cultural differences - language, music, dress etc etc. If there are no differences, create some then draw borders around it.

Separate religion from state.

Pan Islamism is precursor to fascism, will evolve into another IS style hydra, must be avoided.

What u suggest is nearly impossible of drawing and carving of new nations based on ethnicity, culture etc....

ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. Truth is we Muslims are charitable people we don't blame Christianity for the Spanish inquisition, the crusades or burning Muslims in Africa. We don't point a finger to Buddhism for what those monks do in Burma. We call them what they are, Criminal acts.

So stop bringing Islam every time ISIS is mentioned.

Please do no think that Islam is used here at hate religion or something... I am sorry if u felt anything like that but...that's what IS is cashing on isn't it...