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Is Pakistan Ready For War With India?

You have assembled all the data but that no way looks closer to your conclusions. Sorry to say are delusional. With no parameter being the saving grace of Pakistan there is no way shape or form Pakistan can survive the onslaught from India in the conventional parity.

You smartly mentioned the percentages but not the actual numbers. Their army is more than your regulars and reserved combined. You have nothing to back your claim in conventional war. Yes the nuclear weapons brings the parity between both the nations but I don't think that will be good for Pakistan and its own existence. See there has been India and China before cristopher Columbus discovered the America. You nation is new to the world stage and this is only making it worse. You should not use the nuclear weapons not for the sake of just yourself and family but also for the nation.

I think your confused

Pakistan dosent need to match india 1 for 1 on every item or soldier they have a population 7 times bigger than us and land mass 3 and a half times bigger

Pakistan just needs to ensure that during a war colossal destruction and death can be wrought upon india and its troops

And that is the case, Pakistan has built up enormous stocks of weaponry with which it will hit india

And indians know this


They are also aware of our red lines if which crossed will illicit a nuclear response, Pakistan has the fastest growing arsenal in the world to ensure a total destruction of india, we may slso be destroyed but rest assured we will take all if India if not the world with us
 
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I think this oldie needs to get a life... when indian media and some politicians said something. and all panicked in pakistan... stock market tanked... they closed their airspace in kashmir region and cancelled flights.. look at the stupidity and loss.. and India did not even fire a single bullet.................and now they are comparing to convincing themselves..... bunch of idiots


But this particular oldie's raison d'être is India , particularly India's failings.Don't believe me , just type Riaz Haq on Google or Riaz Haq + India .I'd wager a 1000 bucks it'd throw up a plethora of posts some going back to 200O if not earlier .
 
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I think your confused

Pakistan dosent need to match india 1 for 1 on every item or soldier they have a population 7 times bigger than us and land mass 3 and a half times bigger

Pakistan just needs to ensure that during a war colossal destruction and death can be wrought upon india and its troops

And that is the case, Pakistan has built up enormous stocks of weaponry with which it will hit india

And indians know this


They are also aware of our red lines if which crossed will illicit a nuclear response, Pakistan has the fastest growing arsenal in the world to ensure a total destruction of india, we may slso be destroyed but rest assured we will take all if India if not the world with us
This truly puts my faith in the reckless, foolish and headless system and it's people.

Thanks for confirming.
 
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This truly puts my faith in the reckless, foolish and headless system and it's people.

Thanks for confirming.

Pakistani militaries job is to defend the Pakistani state and its people

Conventionally if you look we are a nation of 200 million where the general populace is heavily armed

Apart from our military and paramilitary we have and a heavily armed population we have a array of nationalist, religious, tribal groups all of whom will be directed to the fight and a lethal ISI

We are conventionally heavily armed tanks, missiles you name it but we also have enormous numbers (in some cases most in the world) of things like cluster bombs because we wont ratifie the treaty because in a war with india we will need to kill alot of indian's

The indian military knows one thing that an attack against us means countless dead indians

The nuclear weapons are an added guarantee
 
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Despite their growing brawn, #India’s armed forces still lack a brain. #Modi #Pakistan #China http://econ.st/2d3CTBz via @TheEconomist

..there are serious chinks in India’s armour. Much of its weaponry is, in fact, outdated or ill maintained. “Our air defence is in a shocking state,” says Ajai Shukla, a commentator on military affairs. “What’s in place is mostly 1970s vintage, and it may take ten years to install the fancy new gear.” On paper, India’s air force is the world’s fourth largest, with around 2,000 aircraft in service. But an internal report seen in 2014 by IHS Jane’s, a defence publication, revealed that only 60% were typically fit to fly. A report earlier this year by a government accounting agency estimated that the “serviceability” of the 45 MiG 29K jets that are the pride of the Indian navy’s air arm ranged between 16% and 38%. They were intended to fly from the carrier currently under construction, which was ordered more than 15 years ago and was meant to have been launched in 2010. According to the government’s auditors the ship, after some 1,150 modifications, now looks unlikely to sail before 2023.

Such delays are far from unusual. India’s army, for instance, has been seeking a new standard assault rifle since 1982; torn between demands for local production and the temptation of fancy imports, and between doctrines calling for heavier firepower or more versatility, it has flip-flopped ever since. India’s air force has spent 16 years perusing fighter aircraft to replace ageing Soviet-era models. By demanding over-ambitious specifications, bargain prices, hard-to-meet local-content quotas and so on, it has left foreign manufacturers “banging heads against the wall”, in the words of one Indian military analyst. Four years ago France appeared to have clinched a deal to sell 126 of its Rafale fighters. The order has since been whittled to 36, but is at least about to be finalised.

India’s military is also scandal-prone. Corruption has been a problem in the past, and observers rightly wonder how guerrillas manage to penetrate heavily guarded bases repeatedly. Lately the Indian public has been treated to legal battles between generals over promotions, loud disputes over pay and orders for officers to lose weight. In July a military transport plane vanished into the Bay of Bengal with 29 people aboard; no trace of it has been found. In August an Australian newspaper leaked extensive technical details of India’s new French submarines.

The deeper problem with India’s military is structural. The three services are each reasonably competent, say security experts; the trouble is that they function as separate fiefdoms. “No service talks to the others, and the civilians in the Ministry of Defence don’t talk to them,” says Mr Shukla. Bizarrely, there are no military men inside the ministry at all. Like India’s other ministries, defence is run by rotating civil servants and political appointees more focused on ballot boxes than ballistics. “They seem to think a general practitioner can perform surgery,” says Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, who has worked as a consultant for the ministry. Despite their growing brawn, India’s armed forces still lack a brain.
 
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and some million + pussies were not ready even when they were ready at the border with everything they needed except a million pair of ball.


You're absolutely right.Btw - Musharraf went live on TV to announce that Pakistan would not be a base for any terror related activity to be executed in Kashmir or anywhere else in India.A promise he kept till he was forced out of office.Post which the million & half pussies ( including your pussies ) marched back to the barracks.
 
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you neither have any knowledge of your past blunders nor the comprehension skills to be engaged in a discussion. Its your terrorist prime minister who publicly confessed his involvement in East Pakistan as well as Baluchistan. Regarding violence in Kashmir, what are your 700,000 troops doing their? how many innocent people have they killed and blinded in the past two months? If 1.3 billion Indians arses on fire for well deserved killing of 17 swine that they are threatening to attack Pakistan, what do you think about the innocent people they have been slaughtering in Kashmir for the last 4 decades? you think they don't know how to take revenge? if you pussies can't handle 17 deaths then get the **** out of Kashmir and go find refuge in the pussies you dropped out of, you stinky scum.

You're absolutely right.Btw - Musharraf went live on TV to announce that Pakistan would not be a base for any terror related activity to be executed in Kashmir or anywhere else in India.A promise he kept till he was forced out of office.Post which the million & half pussies ( including your pussies ) marched back to the barracks.
 
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Pakistani militaries job is to defend the Pakistani state and its people

Conventionally if you look we are a nation of 200 million where the general populace is heavily armed

Apart from our military and paramilitary we have and a heavily armed population we have a array of nationalist, religious, tribal groups all of whom will be directed to the fight and a lethal ISI

We are conventionally heavily armed tanks, missiles you name it but we also have enormous numbers (in some cases most in the world) of things like cluster bombs because we wont ratifie the treaty because in a war with india we will need to kill alot of indian's

The indian military knows one thing that an attack against us means countless dead indians

The nuclear weapons are an added guarantee
Any type of war millions will be killed. That's my concern.

Just a belief at my end that Pakistan Army won't let a war happen now (or a long continued one) since they fear loosing grip over the control. But that's just a hunch or an observation.

Good luck with everything. I also want Pakistan to prosper but might have a different opinion.
 
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It could have been a better question about when Pakistan is not ready to fight a war with India???...

Jab may raath ko soo raha hota hoon bas ustime may nahe larsakhta ..wesay aoo na asi de tesi :lol:
 
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Pakistan is always ready for war with India.

They have been fed false motivations right from their birth that they are a very powerful country and India being a Hindu country is very weak. It is with this over-confidence the subsequent Pakistani generations involved in armed conflicts with India and faced humiliating defeats. The last one in 1971 was an alarm for the fanatical Pakistani rulers that they realized they can never match/defeat India militarily and one more armed conflict will endanger their existence. That impotence gave arise to proxy wars on India. They hand picked poverty stricken civilians, brain-washed them and infiltrated them into our territory with nefarious designs. Lets see for how long this continues because if CPEC is really going to bring development to Pakistan then the political and military brass will have to be ready to answer a more educated and aware Pakistani about their misadventures with India.
 
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So, how was your second surgical strike Indians? Is Pakistan still not ready? If not why didn't you go to war? Oh wait, the rest of your country would be humiliated just like your air force.
 
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http://www.riazhaq.com/2016/09/is-pakistan-ready-for-war-with-india.html


Are Pakistanis willing to fight for their country if attacked by India? To answer this question, let's look at a 2015 survey by WIN/Gallup International that asked people in 64 countries if they would be willing to fight for their country.

Pakistan's Willingness to Fight:

The Gallup survey found 89% of Pakistanis answered in the affirmative, a much higher percentage than the world average of 61%. By contrast, it showed 75% of Indians ready to fight for their country. The results ranked Pakistan 3rd and India 10th among 64 countries surveyed.


Source: WIN/Gallup International

Only 11% of the respondents in Japan, the only nation to have suffered the atomic bombing of its two major cities in the second war, said they are willing to fight for their country. Though higher than Japan, most Europeans where people have seen the horrors of wars are among the least willing to fight for their countries.

There has been a lot of bellicose rhetoric coming out from the Hindu Nationalist government and its compliant Indian media to "teach Pakistan a lesson". It's a clear indication that they continue to suffer from disease described by Congress leader Sashi Tharoor as "India's Israel envy".

If Modi's India takes leave of its senses and decides to launch strikes against Pakistan, the Indian people could suffer the same horrible fate that fell upon the residents of the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There should be no doubt in New Delhi that Pakistan will respond forcefully to any provocation against it. Pakistan will not hesitate to escalate if Modi's India persists in its war path.

Below, I am reproducing a 2014 post titled "India's Israel Envy: What if Modi Attacks Pakistan":


Newly-elected Prime Minister Narendra Modi government's rhetoric about "jaw-breaking" (munh tod) policy toward Pakistan is the latest manifestation of a disease described by Indian diplomat Sashi Tharoor as "India's Israel envy".



India's Israel Envy:

India's Israel envy is reinforced by the Hindu Nationalists over-estimating their country's strengthwhile under-estimating Pakistan's. It's aided by India's western allies' belief that Pakistan can not fight a conventional war with india and its only option to defend itself would be to quickly escalate the conflict into a full scale nuclear war.

Indian MP Mani Shankar Aiyar has summed up India's war rhetoric against Pakistan in a recent Op Ed as follows:

(Indian Defense Minister) Arun Jaitley thumps his chest and proclaims that we have given the Pakis a "jaw-breaking reply" (munh tod jawab). Oh yeah? The Pakistanis are still there - with their jaw quite intact and a nuclear arsenal nestling in their pockets. (Indian Home Minister) Rajnath Singh adds that the Pakis had best understand that "a new era has dawned". How? Is retaliatory fire a BJP innovation? Or is it that we have we ceased being peace-loving and become a war-mongering nation? And (Indian Prime Minister Narendra) Modi thunders that his guns will do the talking (boli nahin, goli). Yes - and for how long?

India's Delusions:

Indians, particularly Hindu Nationalists, have become victims of their own hype as illustrated by Times of India's US correspondent who checked into the veracity of claimed achievements of Indians in America and found such claims to be highly exaggerated: "On Monday, the Indian government itself consecrated the oft-circulated fiction as fact in Parliament, possibly laying itself open to a breach of privilege. By relaying to Rajya Sabha members (as reported in The Times of India) a host of unsubstantiated and inflated figures about Indian professionals in US, the government also made a laughing stock of itself." The Times of India's Chidanand Rajghatta ended up debunking all of the inflated claims about the number of Indian physicians, NASA scientists and Microsoft engineers in America.

Similarly, a US GAO investigation found that India's IT exports to the United States are exaggerated by as much as 20 times. The biggest source of discrepancy that GAO found had to do with India including temporary workers' salaries in the United States. India continuously and cumulatively adds all the earnings of its migrants to US in its software exports. If 50,000 Indians migrate on H1B visas each year, and they each earn $50,000 a year, that's a $2.5 billion addition to their exports each year. Cumulatively over 10 years, this would be $25 billion in exports year after year and growing.

Since the end of the Cold War, the West has been hyping India's economic growth to persuade the developing world that democracy and capitalism offer a superior alternative to rapid development through state guided capitalism under an authoritarian regime---a system that has worked well in Asia for countries like the Asian Tigers and China. This has further fooled Hindu Nationalists into accepting such hype as real. It ignores the basic fact that India is home to the world's largest population of poor, hungry and illiterates. It also discounts the reality that Indian kids rank near the bottom on international assessment tests like PISA and TIMSS due to the poor quality of education they receive. The hype has emboldened many Indians, including the BJP leadership, to push neighbors around.


Defense Spending as Percentage of GDP Source: World Indicators


Pakistan's Response:

Pakistan has so far not responded to the Indian rhetoric in kind. It might create an impression that Pakistan is weak and unable to respond to such threats with its conventional force. So let's examine the reality.

Ground War:

In the event of a ground war, Pakistan will most likely follow its "offensive defense" doctrine with its two strike corps pushing deep inside Indian territory. Though Indian military has significant numerical advantage, Pakistan's armor is as strong, if not stronger, than the Indian armor.

Before embarking on further offensive, gains shall be consolidated. Pakistan is also as strong, if not stronger, in terms of ballistic and cruise missiles inventory and capability, putting all of India within its range. These missiles are capable of carrying conventional and nuclear warheads.


India-Pakistan Firepower Comparison Source: GlobalFirepower.com


In 1990 the Central Corps of Reserves was created to fight in the desert sectors, where enemy land offensives are expected. These dual capable formations trained for offensive and holding actions are fully mechanized. The Pakistan Army has ten Corps including the newly formed Strategic Corps. The Army has twenty-six divisions (eight less than India). Two more divisions were raised as Corps reserves for V and XXXI Corps. The Army has two armored divisions, and ten independent armored brigades. Presently one hundred thousand troops are stationed on the Pak-Afghan border to fight terror.

The Special Service Group – SSG - comprises two airborne Brigades, i.e. six battalions. Pakistan Army has 360 helicopters, over two thousand heavy guns, and 3000 APC’s. Its main anti-tank weapons are Tow, Tow Mk II, Bakter Shiken and FGM 148 ATGM. The Army Air Defense Command has S.A- 7 Grail, General Dynamics FIM-92 Stinger, GD FIM Red Eye, and ANZA Mk-I, Mk-II, Mk-III and HQ 2 B surface to air missiles. Radar controlled Oerlikon is the standard Ack Ack weapon system.

The ballistic missile inventory of the Army is substantial. It comprises intermediate range Ghauri III and Shaheen III; medium range Ghauri I and II and Shaheen II, and short range tactical Hatf I- B, Abdali, Ghaznavi, Nasr, Shaheen I and M -11 missiles. All the ballistic missiles can carry nuclear warheads....some can carry multiple warheads. Nuclear and conventional weapon capable Babur Cruise missile is the new addition to Pakistan’s strategic weapon inventory. It has stealth features to evade radar to penetrate India's air air-space to hit targets. The number of ballistic missiles and warheads are almost the same as those of India. So there is a parity in nuclear weapons, which is a deterrent.

Tactical missile which can be tipped with miniaturized nuclear warhead is the latest addition to Pakistan's arsenal. It's a battlefield weapon designed to destroy enemy troop concentrations poised against Pakistan.

Air War:

Pakistan has about 900 aircraft compared to India's 1800, giving India 2:1 numerical advantage over Pakistan. India's biggest advantage is in transport aircraft (700 vs 230) while Pakistan has some numerical advantage in two areas: Airborne radars (9 vs 3)and attack helicopters (48 vs 20).

Pakistan Air Force has over 100 upgraded F-16s and 200 rebuilt Mirage- 3's (for night air defense) and Mirage-5's for the strike role. They can carry nuclear weapons. They have been upgraded with new weapon systems, radars, and avionics. Additionally, the PAF 150 F-7's including 55 latest F-7 PG’s. Manufacture of 150 JF 17 Thunder fighters (jointly designed) is underway at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra. The JF-17 Thunder is a 4th generation fly by wire multi-role fighter aircraft. Eight are already in PAF service. An order has been placed with China for the purchase of 36 JF-10, a Mach 2.3 -5th generation multi-role fighter, comparable in performance to the Su-30 Mk-1 with the Indian Air Force.

In spite of Indian Air Force's numerical superiority since independence in 1947, Pakistan Air Force has performed well against it in several wars. The PAF pilots have always been among the best trained in the world.

Complimenting the Pakistan Air Force pilots, the legendary US Air Force pilot Chuck Yeager who broke the sound barrier, wrote in his biography "The Right Stuff": "This Air Force (the PAF), is second to none". He continued: "The (1971) air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I'm certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below." "They were really good, aggressive dogfighters and proficient in gunnery and air combat tactics. I was damned impressed. Those guys just lived and breathed flying. "

In 1965, Roy Meloni of the ABC reported: "Pakistan claims to have destroyed something like 1/3rd the Indian Air Force, and foreign observers, who are in a position to know say that Pakistani pilots have claimed even higher kills than this; but the Pakistani Air Force are being scrupulously honest in evaluating these claims. They are crediting Pakistan Air Force only those killings that can be checked from other sources."
Naval War:

Of the three branches of the military, India's advantage over Pakistan is the greatest in naval strength. Pakistan has just 84 sea-going vessels of various kinds versus India's 184.

Pakistan Navy can still inflict substantial damage on the Indian Navy. The Indian Navy has 17 submarines. Pakistan Navy has ten, some are brand new and equipped with AIP. Indian Navy has 28 war ships, Pakistan Navy has eleven.

As seen in the past wars, India will attempt a naval blockade of Pakistan. Here's how MIT's Christopher Clary discusses in his doctoral thesis the Indian Navy's ability to repeat a blockade of Pakistan again:

"Most analyses do not account adequately for how difficult it would be for the (Indian) navy to have a substantial impact in a short period of time. Establishing even a partial blockade takes time, and it takes even more time for that blockade to cause shortages on land that are noticeable. As the British strategist Julian Corbett noted in 1911, "it is almost impossible that a war can be decided by naval action alone. Unaided, naval pressure can only work by a process of exhaustion. Its effects must always be slow…. ". Meanwhile, over the last decade, Pakistan has increased its ability to resist a blockade. In addition to the main commercial port of Karachi, Pakistan has opened up new ports further west in Ormara and Gwadar and built road infrastructure to distribute goods from those ports to Pakistan's heartland. To close off these ports to neutral shipping could prove particularly difficult since Gwadar and the edge of Pakistani waters are very close to the Gulf of Oman, host to the international shipping lanes for vessels exiting the Persian Gulf. A loose blockade far from shore would minimize risks from Pakistan's land-based countermeasures but also increase risks of creating a political incident with neutral vessels."

Summary:

The chances of India prevailing over Pakistan in a conventional war now are very remote at best. Any advantage that India seeks over Pakistan would require it to pay a very heavy price in terms of massive destruction of India's industry, economy and infrastructure that would set India back many decades.

In the event that the India-Pakistan war spirals out of control and escalates into a full-scale nuclear confrontation, the entire region, including China, would suffer irreparable damage. Even a limited nuclear exchange would devastate food production around the world, according to International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War, as reported in the media. It would set off a global famine that could kill two billion people and effectively end human civilization as we know it.

I hope that better sense will prevail in New Delhi and India's BJP government will desists from any military adventurism against Pakistan. The consequences of any miscalculation by Narendra Modi will be horrible, not just for both the countries, but the entire humanity.
Here's a video discussion on the subject:
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Pakistan Army Capabilities

Modi's Pakistan Policy

India's Israel Envy

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Almost every street in Pakistan have 2 or 3 household that have some type of guns. What will Indians fight pakistan with? Lathis?
 
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