IS PAKISTAN INTERESTED IN THE TURKISH TFX

[Ultima Thule]

Well, let's say semi-stealth plus FBL(fly-by-light, ie; fiber optics), that is 75% Stealth, plus a capability of active cancellation stealth plus some new RCS materials, we are approching Full stealth somehow, even though there is no total stealth.. All the plus's are already available or will be soon enough for Stealth JF-17 Block 5 let's say..

75% stealth but that will be no more JF-17, it will be J-19 or something because it will structurally different from JF-17

 

[The SC]

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75% stealth but that will be no more JF-17, it will be J-19 or something because it will structurally different from JF-17

I will be much lighter with FBL and less detectable, with a big reduction in magnetic emissions, They might call it JF-18..

 

[Ultima Thule]

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I will be much lighter with FBL and less detectable, with a big reduction in magnetic emissions, They might call it JF-18..

but it is not based on JF-17, it will be new project

 

[The SC]

but it is not based on JF-17, it will be new project

Why not a new project, or based on the existing idea of JF-17? both are equaly interesting..

 

[sohail.ishaque]

there is no stealth version of JF-17 may be semi stealth version

i was talking about the future blocks btw....

and i remeber there was a news sometime back about a stealth single engine jf17 on which Pakistani officials said that they r planning to..

 

[Bouncer]

What will Pakistan bring to the table? We do not have much expertise to offer in this high tech venture. And we certainly do not have the monies.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Design and analysis of concept capabilities are there already with PAC. Might not be top notch but still there. Above 70% local design, subsystems from where available. Next generation fighter is bound to follow this path. It is not always about the money. Give it half a decade and things will unfold.

 

[cabatli_53]

 

[nomi007]

50-50 partnership will be an ideal deal

 

[Ultima Thule]

i was talking about the future blocks btw....

and i remeber there was a news sometime back about a stealth single engine jf17 on which Pakistani officials said that they r planning to..

but that will be not a JF-17 but JF-19 or something because it will structurally different from the JF-17 and will be a whole new project which will be not based on JF-17

 

[The Next Door]

We can join and it will be helpful in getting 5 generation technology but it is a time taking program we can't rely on it we quickly need SU-35 and J-20 or some thing like that

 

[jupiter2007]

Too much khayali pulao...
Pakistan has not officially shown any interest in Turkish fighter project, and even if they did, they don't have many to invest in it. There 1st priorty is to replace aging F7 and older mirage. 150 of the older planes will have to be replaced by 2020.
Most of the budgey money will be spend in building JF-17 block 2 and R&D on block 3/4.
Some money will be used to acquire older F-16s and MLU, other will be spent to acquire small number of (18 to 36) true 4.5 generation fighter, possibly SU-35 with French tech.

 

[cabatli_53]

It is perfect time to be a partner of TF-X project ! The final details of project became reality and detail design process will commence. This project certainly receive some friendly countries as partner. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Malaysia, maybe UAE. We will see but It is underlined by officials that the main purpose of this project is to produce a stealth fighter which is going to be operated by Turkey and ally countries. English ambassador has also stated that They will need to replace their Typoons with TF-X/EF-X fighters by 2030.

- Development Budget: $8.6 bln
- Mentor / assisting company: BAE systems
- Lead engineer of TFX design team: Christopher CLARKSON (was also lead engineer of the BAE FCAS concept)

- Development till 2025
- First entry into inventory planned in 2025
- Replacing of F16's by TFX from 2030 on

Turkey purchased a super computer for detail design activities. Both Turkish and British laboratories, facilities, test fields will be used by BAE/TAI design-development team.

SSM head told that Development of TF-X engines will also be achieved. There won't be any limitation to technology transfer, nor restrictions between England and Turkey. The officials are working on formalities at present.

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

Britain has major involvement in TF-X. So far Pakistan has not joined this program. If and only if we decide to join it in future, Will Britain have any objection on Pakistan joining TF-X. This is a very serious matter for us.

 

[cabatli_53]

Britain has major involvement in TF-X. So far Pakistan has not joined this program. If and only if we decide to join it in future, Will Britain have any objection on Pakistan joining TF-X. This is a very serious matter for us.

According to British ambassador, Turkey demands two things for TF-X partnership.

-Access to all sensitive technologies
-No restrictions to usage/exportation

BAE is the one who met all requests of Turkey and formed a strong partnership which is going to proceed maybe 30-40 years. Britain and Turkey formed an alliance to develop one of the best 5th generation stealth fighter aircraft. TurAF is actively participating into meetings and It is the TurAF who announced the strong partnership between Britan and Turkey for TF-X project. Britan and Turkey has shaked hands after formalities for permissions have been solved. There won't be any restrictions, limitations or problem to export third countries.

I suppose Reality of TF-X project is visible and The Turkish officials will offer ally states like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Azerbaijan or Malaysia to join into this TF-X alliance like Indonesia and S. Korea does. Funding TF-X from the beggining additions to local engineering support will be a win-win for all parties bro.

The projects related with TF-X has already been commenced by Turkish industry !

Goktuğ air to air missiles (IIR guided short range, RF guided long range)
SOM-B cruise missiles
SOM-J anti-ship cruise missiles
Almost all type guided bombs
EW/Jammer/SAR pods
TF-X AESA radar project to be finalized by 2020.

Mission computer development project for TF-X