Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception to fight bigger countries like US, China & Russia

[PradoTLC]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

ask modi..

it is a tool for keeping power in it's hand by certain group .

yes in the case of modi.

Its a real Pakistan wants Indian Kashmir and india wants pak ( Kashmir including gilgil- bali.).. And, the world is playing with both (countries) because of the issue but fact is no one will get anything, but paying high cost on a daily basis... All are just dreams which are selling by countries of both leaders/ non- state actors and making profits ( money and political gain)

no body is playing any one... it is just india that is the problem.

India simply refuses to the right thing

 

[Thorough Pro]

take a peek inside your heart and answer that question.

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

no body is playing any one... it is just india that is the problem.
India simply refuses to the right thing

No issues! believe as you believed but I am a very practical man.... and, I can see that what political parties and non-state actors are doing in both sides..... but in the ground reality.... nothing gonna to be changed... only these people are enjoying,a common people and kashmiri are suffering because of the both countries...

 

[PradoTLC]

No issues! believe as you believed but I am a very practical man.... and, I can see that what political parties and non-state actors are doing in both sides..... but in the ground reality.... nothing gonna to be changed... only these people are enjoying,a common people and kashmiri are suffering because of the both countries...

sorry that is incorrect.

India is one that violated the rules of partition by refusing to allow a muslim majority land to accedes to Pakistan. Muslim rulers who had majority of hindu subjects allowed accession to india out of honour , but not that fag of a hindu ruler in kashmir.

and worse your government went on a land grab policy.

Pakistan made mistakes.. big time.. but you started it off.

ake a peek inside your heart and answer that question.

what do u expect to find there?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

@Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8 @Joe Shearer @Jackdaws @Tom M @SrNair

- PRTP GWD

 

[SIPRA]

Ridiculous thread.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

sorry that is incorrect.

India is one that violated the rules of partition by refusing to allow a muslim majority land to accedes to Pakistan. Muslim rulers who had majority of hindu subjects allowed accession to india out of honour , but not that fag of a hindu ruler in kashmir.

and worse your government went on a land grab policy.

Pakistan made mistakes.. big time.. but you started it off.




what do u expect to find there?

Don't go to history, Man...... there were many things and Pakistan is not a saint or victim country.

Entire J & K (Including Pakistan) is a gone case for both countries, both countries were having chance to fight and possible to get J&K parts before 1970...Now, nothing can be happened. Only a chance of agreement if no one will loose their part of J & K including Gilgit-Baltistan

I always give a open suggestion for that:
Pakistan and India should reach to a agreement where both sides will not claim on other parts of J & K., Also they need to take following steps:
1. Army should be removed from Jammu kashmir. Only local police will maintain law & orders.
2. Pakistan will administrator in PAk parts and India will do in India parts.
3. Provide a identity card to the people of both sides and they should be permitted to travel both sides of J & K with Minimum security checks at borders.

 

[Joe Shearer]

sorry that is incorrect.

India is one that violated the rules of partition by refusing to allow a muslim majority land to accedes to Pakistan. Muslim rulers who had majority of hindu subjects allowed accession to india out of honour , but not that fag of a hindu ruler in kashmir.

Using coarse language does not strengthen your historical case, as it does not follow the facts.
Only the provinces of the British Colony were taken up for allocating to each dominion according to the majority religion that it followed, and then, too, the Punjab and Bengal were divided, rather than going to Pakistan as a whole. This was due to the robust refusal of the minority in each of these to accept incorporation into a state that kept them as minorities.

The princely state of Kashmir WAS NOT subject to this rule.

Another point made by you rings hollow, sadly. Would you like to do your homework and point out which ruler with a majority of Hindu subjects allowed accession to India out of honour?

and worse your government went on a land grab policy.

Pakistan made mistakes.. big time.. but you started it off.

And what land grab policy was this? Must every discussion on this subject be dragged into an emotional sauna?

what do u expect to find there?

ask modi..


yes in the case of modi.




no body is playing any one... it is just india that is the problem.

India simply refuses to the right thing

How is it that whatever Pakistan wishes is the right thing? I don't want to attach a dhobi list to this to make the point that Pakistan has never been shy of NOT doing the right thing, but have we not have enough of this sanctimony?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Is Pakistan-India enmity real or is it a deception in order to fight powerful countries like US, China & Russia?

If it's real why has the Kashmir dispute been unresolved for 73 years? If the belligerence was real, there would have been a fight to the finish long ago and one side would have been vanquished and shattered completely.

Thousands of people have died in wars on either side. So many deaths can't be faked. But the deaths would have happened anyways because the energy to kill in wars would have found other forms like Naxalism in India and TTP in Pakistan. The internal unrest was briefly channeled towards external parties during wars.

Both India and Pakistan face serious threats from big and powerful countries like US, China and Russia. There are strong reasons for the two countries to join forces and cooperate to protect themselves from the three superpowers.

So the mystery remains. Is Indo-Pak enmity real or is it a facade classified by the intelligence agencies of the two countries?

- PRTP GWD

@Mangus Ortus Novem @El Sidd @newb3e @Chhatrapati @MastanKhan @Path-Finder

- PRTP GWD

 

[Yaseen1]

unfortunately current govt in india is biggest hurdle in our better relation and I have no hope that relation will become better under rss backed extremist regime

 

[El Sidd]

Don't go to history, Man...... there were many things and Pakistan is not a saint or victim country.

Entire J & K (Including Pakistan) is a gone case for both countries, both countries were having chance to fight and possible to get J&K parts before 1970...Now, nothing can be happened. Only a chance of agreement if no one will loose their part of J & K including Gilgit-Baltistan

I always give a open suggestion for that:
Pakistan and India should reach to a agreement where both sides will not claim on other parts of J & K., Also they need to take following steps:
1. Army should be removed from Jammu kashmir. Only local police will maintain law & orders.
2. Pakistan will administrator in PAk parts and India will do in India parts.
3. Provide a identity card to the people of both sides and they should be permitted to travel both sides of J & K with Minimum security checks at borders.

Over 10 million dead bodies

@Mangus Ortus Novem @El Sidd @newb3e @Chhatrapati @MastanKhan @Path-Finder

- PRTP GWD

Border of Blood is no joke.

If 70 years have faded the history, it can be rewritten again the same way.

Fate Accompli

 

[Joe Shearer]

Pakistan/War/Kashmir is basis of every Indian election campaign. The picture shows it. The same thing helped bjp to win again in 2019 by high margin.
On the other hand, In Pakistan, people still love MNS, who invited modi gi on his daughter wedding(and modi came), and who had personal business relations with Sajan Jandal and Modi & Co. Can modi invite Imran Khan? Or even MNS in India?

This is not correct, fortunately. This was the basis of one segment of Indian political opinion, and has been assiduously promoted by that segment among the vulnerable and weak-minded section of the electorate in a very systematic manner.

Your point about MNS and Imran are well taken. It makes sad reading for an Indian who does not belong to the flock of sheep that chose to elect a monster that it thought to be a modern-day Messiah.

 

[SIPRA]

Don't go to history, Man...... there were many things and Pakistan is not a saint or victim country.

Entire J & K (Including Pakistan) is a gone case for both countries, both countries were having chance to fight and possible to get J&K parts before 1970...Now, nothing can be happened. Only a chance of agreement if no one will loose their part of J & K including Gilgit-Baltistan

I always give a open suggestion for that:
Pakistan and India should reach to a agreement where both sides will not claim on other parts of J & K., Also they need to take following steps:
1. Army should be removed from Jammu kashmir. Only local police will maintain law & orders.
2. Pakistan will administrator in PAk parts and India will do in India parts.
3. Provide a identity card to the people of both sides and they should be permitted to travel both sides of J & K with Minimum security checks at borders.

Not acceptable. Period.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

unfortunately current govt in india is biggest hurdle in our better relation and I have no hope that relation will become better under rss backed extremist regime

Pls don't blame to BJP........ more than 50 years, congress was in central (India), latest 2004-2014... Even if they will come in central for next 50 years than still nothing gonna to change....it is a state policy and does not matter who comes and go..

Read the history, People like Modi only can take such a bold decision. if any agreement will happen than only MODi is capable to fulfill. Congress will always drag as can as possible... and finally will ditch..

Forget about Political parties, a common people of both countries will not accept any agreement if they need to compromise from their part of J & K.

Not acceptable. Period.

OK...

 

[PakistaniJunior]

unfortunately current govt in india is biggest hurdle in our better relation and I have no hope that relation will become better under rss backed extremist regime

RSS isn't the only issue i've noticed. Their dislike for us runs deep within the populace itself. Their media has radicalized their brains with 90% propaganda against us. I used to be someone who thought that Pakistanis who blindly hated on Indians were ridiculous, but that was back when i thought they were capable of seeing us in a humanitarian light. Guess what? majority of them don't even bother. Seeing hoards of negative comments from Indians under every youtube video regarding us became very irritating and overwhelming.