Is Pakistan army best trained in Muslim world? (all else equal) - PLS NO INDIANS, not Indian topic

[Alfa-Fighter]

The Indian army was defeated and Indian forces surrendered to the Chinese. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. So does this event make your army weak and rubbish? Of course not. This isn't about history here.

As for who is the "strongest' these threads are just plain counterproductive.

I was replying , India defeated in 62 but defeated PAK in 64 and 71 .... so you think PAK army strongest in muslim world? A defected Muslims army is strongest and while IRAN which hold up chemical attack from IRAN is not strongest then PAK?

I am simply saying any army which defeated very badly and you consider is strongest one.....
This is height of self dilution .

See the IRAN , which is strongest Army in the block and it has Track record to prove it. Do you have track record to prove PAK army is strongest in Muslims world?

I admire your patriotism, but Iran is under embargo. So it has old planes and maybe navy too. Don't worry, it becomes near Pakistan, but just below.


Because you keep discussing Indian wars and Pakistan getting beaten up

Either you are not underline the fine line here, On what track record you are saying PAK army is strongest?

For your information, IRAN navy operate more SUBS then PAK. It even designed and construct its own light weight Subs which suits best for its seas.

 

[Secur]

See the IRAN , which is strongest Army in the block and it has Track record to prove it. Do you have track record to prove PAK army is strongest in Muslims world?

Yes , as old as the country itself . Forget track records , we have maps to show for that .

 

[Asena_Y]

What would Turkey's F-35s do if Israel uses miniature Nukes over it danger to its existence, not even NATO would provide Nukes to Turkey.



How do you assume what is the criteria you based upon that Turkish Navy is better Trained? Pakistan Navy is vigorously trained since it has a larger enemy like hindustan so the training is extremely hard. Both are well trained when it comes to AF/Navy and Army. NATO is not a yard stick.

You have gotta be kidding me. Then we have a naval training tradition coming up since 1081. I've been in conversations with PN cadets at Tuzla at least a dozen times about the training comparison. DZKK provides one of world's top notch trainings depends between 4 to 12 years that they are basic trainings only not even branch courses. They all were arguing that TNF's training were very hard compared to PN, that we had argued that it wouldn't matter when hundreds of men in white were jailed. In navy, noway in any specs. So does other 3 branches. Just don't make us laugh.

@tr members Let people discuss it. We are at a far upper league in training area. When the Spanish and Italians say that we were Nato's one of top naval trainer nations, how come some Pakistani bros claim a funny opposition. Regards.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes , as old as the country itself . Forget track records , we have maps to show for that .

You are replying to a certified nincompoop.

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Yes , as old as the country itself . Forget track records , we have maps to show for that .

Track record proves from WAR and its results , see PAK war tack recode and IRAQ war recode....and then see

You are replying to a certified nincompoop.

lol you are most person who post without facts and live in fancy , certified kind fantasy similar to the PAK claimed OBL and AK khan

After you beaten in talk you started talking about sun moon things....

 

[tesla]

Sanirim emreyi alakadar eden bi konu bu. Akşam bakacaktir.

kardeş you shoud use ''ı''letter instead of ''i'' besides who is emre ?

 

[rockstar08]

So if Turkey were to fight Pakistan with all equipment being equal, PAF will score victories but lose land and naval battles?

I guess so. Turkey hasn't been in many air battles to have experiences.

that day never come dude ... two brothers can never fight relax

 

[Erhabi]

In unconventional war Pakistan is the strongest, n in conventional war Turkey is....

 

[Reza Ali]

Nare Taqbeer Allah hu Akber.

 

[KingMamba]

See the IRAN , which is strongest Army in the block and it has Track record to prove it. Do you have track record to prove PAK army is strongest in Muslims world?

What track record? They managed to push out Iraqi forces in 2 years but then spent 6 years failing to achieve their objectives before accepting the same treaty that was offered to them originally LOL.

Only Turkey has a winning record when you take into account their invasion of Cyprus but then you must remember it was Cyprus after all.

 

[cabatli_53]

I personally never compare Pakistan with Turkey, since Pakistan is a real brother state of Turkey like Azerbaijan and will always remain same until the end of the World. It is no important whether or not It is Left or Right wings leading Turkey. Instead of pissing contest, Brothers seek their defficiencies to fill, Before others realize and so I just wish more and more collaborations between us.

but I see some "Iranian the strongest" style statements here again so need to type something regarding it. Iran and Turkey are like two opposite characters. Turkey has one of the strongest military forces in terms of quality and quantity in NATO but Cause of current soft and collapsed foreign policy and corrupted politicians who are busy with cleaning their dirty arses, Army can't be used to change problems as an advantages of our benefits in region but Iran doesn't have an effective armed forces, lack a serious air and naval forces but Their politicials like acting as If They are like the strongest hand of Allah in earth waiting to punish anybody who act adverse of their benefits. Some Iranians who are impressed such propaganda policies, are appearing forums to introduce "Iran strong" attitudes, Although Many people tell them the weapon variants they are proudly introducing as If Their own, are the one NATO and Soviets retired 30-40 years ago so It is no need to play the tough on states that designed your proud weapon systems 40-50 years ago...

 

[DESERT RAJA]

A country that surrenders 70,000 of its troops should not be in contention

Sending your uniformed soldiers cements your position as a state sponsor of terrorism. Kashmir has never been Part of India nor will it ever be, we Muslims will fight for it just as we waged 17 wars for Somnath and 9 crusades for Jerusalem.

Back to the topic.

Is Jammu part of ur " Muslim crusade"?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Cowards hindus.. right ...

- we dont fight becasue you have nothing too lose we have some ..
and we are not hinous animal ..we are homo sapines who grown now
but some still live in dark ages

You and your non sense questions. Apne ghar mein kuta be shair bun jata ha. If you and your friend going to fight with ten guys(5 times more in number) in their home and still manage to defend yourself and give opposite side great damage and capture their areas then who is winner here? You consider yourself winner because you got back what was taken from you lol.


Pakistan was clear winners in all wars except 1971 if we keep in mind the number of soldiers and war weapons of both countries. You got win in 1971 not because you guys were brave but because our army were fighting with two enemy as you had local support and also had advantage of having border with Bangladesh while west Pakistan was far away from areas where conflict started and war began. Indians cannot beat Pakistan as far as spirit and bravery concern.

 

[cabatli_53]

Only Turkey has a winning record when you take into account their invasion of Cyprus but then you must remember it was Cyprus after all.

Until 5-10 years ago, The Turkish army was managed with many red lines and Most of Generals didn't know a word as "forgiving the faults" in home and foreign policies.

There was active bases and tank forces in Irak which was chasing terrorists stationed in there. In those times, One large scale operation was meaning 700-800 killed terorist bodies on mountains. There was no mercy but Todays, Same terrorists are closing the commercial roads to check passport in Turkey now.

Although European Union and USA pressures and sanctions, Half of Cyprus have been invaded in 1974 and actively controlled by Army. Even in such critical situation, A Greek who wanted to haul down Turkish flag in Greek-Turk border in Cyprus, was shot with many bullets in 1996, While All "master" Europeans were watching the situation.

In Aegean 1996, Greek special forces captured two Turkish islands called Kardak and rise a Greek flag in there, then Turkish army performed a night operation there and captured islands. In this incident, A Greek utility helicopter was downed.

No need to mention Syrian incident which Father Assad housed terorist leader against Turkey. Although all notices given by Turkey, They didn't accept delivering him to us. To solve this incident, hundreds of tanks along with soldiers were stationed in Syria-Turkey border. As a result, Father Assad has to let terorist leader out of their borders. With this way, Turkish special forces captured him in Kenya...

What I mean is, Never assess the strength of Turkish Armed Forces with looking current disgraces which was caused by current corrupt politicians.

 

[l'ingénieur]

I don't understand what this discussion will achieve. There is no one the whole world that can answer your question correctly.