Is Pakistan a soft state?

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes. The question here I want to ask is Pakistan a fragile, banana, weak state? Right now we have couple of thousands of rowdy JUI-F supporters in H-9 Islamabad threatening the removal of a elected PM into one year of his term with four years left. The article from Dawn got me thinking.

"A massive crowd of tens of thousands of charged men exactly 7km from the Red Zone facing nothing but empty containers constitutes a huge existential problem. The police? Ah, well how many policemen armed with how many batons, equipped with how many tear-gas shells brandishing how many shields do you require to stop the 7km march by tens of thousands of men?"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514395/here-comes-the-maulana


So the question is 7 Kms separate Mullah Diesel from PMIK. How can the state be worried about not being able to secure 7Kms? Why is the police of riot police incapable of protecting the red zone? Is this what Pakistan is? Mob rule? If you can get a mob then you can charge the red zone? We saw something similiar with TLP Rizvi doing the same thing some time back.

Can we please secure Islamabad before we secure the blue seas. If money is a issue sell some navy ships but for gods sakes raise at least 20,000 man riot police force with dedicated water cannons, equipment and training. Is this to much to ask?

It is impossible to complate mobs threatening Washington, London, Paris, Moscow, New Delhi or Ankara in Turkey. And they would not need the army to handle this threat. India has CPRF, Turkey has Gendarma etc.

Situations like this paint Pakistan as a weak and fragile country.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

How can a large mob pose a existential threat to a capital of a nuclear powered 200 million people country?

 

[aziqbal]

Yes we are like it or not

US drone strike hit a mosque back in the days in Khyber during Friday prayers during Ramadhan and it killed dozens of people

US strike also hit two Pakistan army check posts while our Jawans were sleeping in a deliberate attack and came back again to hit a second post confirming it could never be a mistake

these two attacks alone should have been replied with at minimum 100 US body bags going home

but I am taking about external attacks

 

[Imran Khan]

not soft but pillow state banana is hard then soft pillow

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes we are like it or not

US drone strike hit a mosque back in the days in Khyber during Friday prayers during Ramadhan and it killed dozens of people

US strike also hit two Pakistan army check posts while our Jawans were sleeping in a deliberate attack and came back again to hit a second post confirming it could never be a mistake

these two attacks alone should have been replied with at minimum 100 US body bags going home

but I am taking about external attacks

USA is a superpower. Even Japan, Germany would cow at feet of USA so please don't bring that into it. We are talking about internal security and stability. Specifically keeping the capital of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan secure from Muslim mobs of JUI-F and Mullah Diesel secure.

not soft but pillow state banana is hard then soft pillow

lol. But seriously do you see my point. You think mobs could do threaten Modi in New Delhi, or Erdogan in Ankara, or MBS in Riyad, or even Sheikh Hasina in Dhaka leave alone Trump, Putin or Boris in Washington, Moscow and London?

 

[Hamza913]

The best approach when it comes to rebellions is to kill the ringleaders. If that doesn't work, target their followers and keep on doing it until they submit. But ensure that you stick to basic soldiery, do not use airstrikes, tanks, artillery, etc. That has the possibility of backfiring massively.

 

[ARMalik]

It is a country held hostage by the Corrupt Ruling Mafia in all levels of the Government, the Bureaucracy and the Military .... the very fact that this chaos was allowed, clearly demonstrates the level of Corrupt people involved. The ordinary people of Pakistan were forced into bad behaviors because these Corrupt Rulers imposed a corrupt system on them, and imposed hardships on them.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Go to 4:55. So Pakistan is a huge country that a mob of 20 thousand cannot be allowed to blackmail. Well can we have 30,000 armed riot police standing around the red zone like a wall of steel assuring everybody the power of the state?

 

[Sine Nomine]

Yes. The question here I want to ask is Pakistan a fragile, banana, weak state? Right now we have couple of thousands of rowdy JUI-F supporters in H-9 Islamabad threatening the removal of a elected PM into one year of his term with four years left. The article from Dawn got me thinking.

"A massive crowd of tens of thousands of charged men exactly 7km from the Red Zone facing nothing but empty containers constitutes a huge existential problem. The police? Ah, well how many policemen armed with how many batons, equipped with how many tear-gas shells brandishing how many shields do you require to stop the 7km march by tens of thousands of men?"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514395/here-comes-the-maulana


So the question is 7 Kms separate Mullah Diesel from PMIK. How can the state be worried about not being able to secure 7Kms? Why is the police of riot police incapable of protecting the red zone? Is this what Pakistan is? Mob rule? If you can get a mob then you can charge the red zone? We saw something similiar with TLP Rizvi doing the same thing some time back.

Can we please secure Islamabad before we secure the blue seas. If money is a issue sell some navy ships but for gods sakes raise at least 20,000 man riot police force with dedicated water cannons, equipment and training. Is this to much to ask?

It is impossible to complate mobs threatening Washington, London, Paris, Moscow, New Delhi or Ankara in Turkey. And they would not need the army to handle this threat. India has CPRF, Turkey has Gendarma etc.

Situations like this paint Pakistan as a weak and fragile country.

Wish you would have asked that Question,when PTI introduced this new chapter in Pakistani Politics syllabus in 2014.

 

[Kabira]

This is what happen when establishment backed PTI dharna of 2014 was allowed for 4 months. Imran Khan and his minions have only taken u turn since coming to power. Attacking parliament, PTV HQ, police etc Moulana dharna has been peaceful compared to that so far.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

these two attacks alone should have been replied with at minimum 100 US body bags going home

I was told that we did took revenge of that in Afghanistan. Maybe thru Taliban

 

[Kabira]

"Some options — the government knows well after the Model Town incident — are no options."

Exactly, PTI cannot justify use of force when they have played Model town card for 5 years now.

 

[313ghazi]

Yes. The question here I want to ask is Pakistan a fragile, banana, weak state? Right now we have couple of thousands of rowdy JUI-F supporters in H-9 Islamabad threatening the removal of a elected PM into one year of his term with four years left. The article from Dawn got me thinking.

"A massive crowd of tens of thousands of charged men exactly 7km from the Red Zone facing nothing but empty containers constitutes a huge existential problem. The police? Ah, well how many policemen armed with how many batons, equipped with how many tear-gas shells brandishing how many shields do you require to stop the 7km march by tens of thousands of men?"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514395/here-comes-the-maulana


So the question is 7 Kms separate Mullah Diesel from PMIK. How can the state be worried about not being able to secure 7Kms? Why is the police of riot police incapable of protecting the red zone? Is this what Pakistan is? Mob rule? If you can get a mob then you can charge the red zone? We saw something similiar with TLP Rizvi doing the same thing some time back.

Can we please secure Islamabad before we secure the blue seas. If money is a issue sell some navy ships but for gods sakes raise at least 20,000 man riot police force with dedicated water cannons, equipment and training. Is this to much to ask?

It is impossible to complate mobs threatening Washington, London, Paris, Moscow, New Delhi or Ankara in Turkey. And they would not need the army to handle this threat. India has CPRF, Turkey has Gendarma etc.

Situations like this paint Pakistan as a weak and fragile country.

Don't buy it, its just scare mongering by Dawn. There are plenty of police - if they felt the need for a larger presence it would be felt. They are desperately trying to turn nothing into something.

Last year TLP had a lot more man power, a lot more presence on the streets and it took the flick of a wrist to have them all dispersed.

Diesel might have more political clout, he might have more trained thugs, but when they want those streets cleared they will be.

To not let them protest would be seen as political weakness. To let them protest, pen them in and watch it all wash out under a week or so, that's political success.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Hareem Shah can sit on the PM's chair then why not Moulana

 

[Lincoln]

Yes. The question here I want to ask is Pakistan a fragile, banana, weak state? Right now we have couple of thousands of rowdy JUI-F supporters in H-9 Islamabad threatening the removal of a elected PM into one year of his term with four years left. The article from Dawn got me thinking.

"A massive crowd of tens of thousands of charged men exactly 7km from the Red Zone facing nothing but empty containers constitutes a huge existential problem. The police? Ah, well how many policemen armed with how many batons, equipped with how many tear-gas shells brandishing how many shields do you require to stop the 7km march by tens of thousands of men?"

https://www.dawn.com/news/1514395/here-comes-the-maulana


So the question is 7 Kms separate Mullah Diesel from PMIK. How can the state be worried about not being able to secure 7Kms? Why is the police of riot police incapable of protecting the red zone? Is this what Pakistan is? Mob rule? If you can get a mob then you can charge the red zone? We saw something similiar with TLP Rizvi doing the same thing some time back.

Can we please secure Islamabad before we secure the blue seas. If money is a issue sell some navy ships but for gods sakes raise at least 20,000 man riot police force with dedicated water cannons, equipment and training. Is this to much to ask?

It is impossible to complate mobs threatening Washington, London, Paris, Moscow, New Delhi or Ankara in Turkey. And they would not need the army to handle this threat. India has CPRF, Turkey has Gendarma etc.

Situations like this paint Pakistan as a weak and fragile country.

I have seen some videos of the march. This march is times, upon times more organized than what PTI pulled off in 2014.

Jaahil parhey likhon sai ziada behtar nikle.