Is Pak the national self-expression of the Indus Valley or is it remnant of N.Indian Islamic empires

[Flash_Ninja]

Can the Pak State survive without Islam?
Can the Pak State survive without Indus Culture?

Pakistani ethnicities have had a shared culture around religion since the British

Its like your daddy Israel, they were founded on religion but their culture, people, and language, is distinct enough from their neighbours to keep the country together

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Pakistani ethnicities have had a shared culture around religion since the British

Its like your daddy Israel, they were founded on religion but their culture, people, and language, is distinct enough from their neighbours to keep the country together

You know what...I like your reponse as it is way way more realistic...You could have saved the barbs though

 

[313ghazi]

Can the Pak State survive without Islam?
Can the Pak State survive without Indus Culture?

Why would any Muslim want to exist outside of Islam. All stated will end - Islam will not. It is our most fundamental identity.

 

[Clutch]

Choose one please...they have massively different repurcussions

But the truth is they are both... The Pakistani Indus Valley Ancestors converted to the religion of Islam as they found truth in its teachings. Simple.

Pakistan is the Indus Valley Civilization AND it is the Muslim Empire of the region. BOTH.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

But the truth is they are both... The Pakistani Indus Valley Ancestors converted to the religion of Islam as they found truth in its teachings. Simple.

Pakistan is the Indus Valley Civilization AND it is the Muslim Empire of the region. BOTH.

So Pak part of Indus Valley Civilization was a massive preparation exercise for the the then impending arrival of Islam

 

[Hamza913]

It's a collection of various ethnic groups that live within the Indus Valley and predominantly identify with Sufism.

 

[Ace of Spades]

70 years of history in a country which have native ethnicities dating all the way back to ancient era is nothing but less than few minutes of history. The biggest mistake people make is when they limit Pakistan's existence to 70 years ago; as if this region magically appeared after 1947. Yes, the new geographical boundaries were made. History is full of it, nothing new, but the region and ethnicities stayed the same. Pakistan is a natural country if you look back in history, one will always find Punjabis, pashtoons, sindhis, balochis, kashimirs living together. The generation which had longing to historic british indian era is no more on realms, their children which were half confused are phasing out from mainstream. In one generation a strong Pakistani nationalism will emerge without need for any other ideology but also, to add, it will rather seek for lost land, lost tribes for a larger pan punjab, pan pashtoon expansion. And you can actually start seeing the glimpse of it already; may be it's just flickering for now but it's starting.

 

[hussain0216]

Can the Pak State survive without Islam?
Can the Pak State survive without Indus Culture?

Why would it be without those things?

 

[Old School]

Indus valley was totally irrelevant till the British excavated and cultivated an obidient clerical middle class in the Himalayan Sub-continent. The offsprings of those colonial clerks made Indus valley relevant today. Neither the Kushan, Muryas, Palas nor the Delhi sultanate cared about this oblivion.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Indus valley was totally irrelevant till the British excavated and cultivated an obidient clerical middle class in the Himalayan Sub-continent. The offsprings of those colonial clerks made Indus valley relevant today. Neither the Kushan, Muryas, Palas nor the Delhi sultanate cared about this oblivion.

So Pakistan is not the national self expression of the Indus Valley?

 

[dani92]

vast majority of Pakistanis are native to land , vast majority of pakistanis are punjabis/pashtuns/sindhis/balochs/gilgit baltistan ,these people have nothing to do with invaders , they are native to land people.

Yes but many of them have inferiority complex and think they are descendants from these invaders for example they say hindus hate Muslims because they ruled their country but they forgot that they are themselves are descendants of these Hindus who their ancestors became Muslims because of the Arab afghan Turkic Mongolian invaders that they glorify they make you feel that these invaders are their ancestors and not the ones who subjected their Hindu ancestors

 

[Old School]

So Pakistan is not the national self expression of the Indus Valley?

Indus Valley was not known to the Umayyads when Muhammad bin Qasin marched over it in the 8th century. Ghuori never knew about it. Neither did Babur. It is only important to the slaves of the British imperialists who go to London , take a degree and come back to oppress ordinary Pakistanis.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Indus Valley was not known to the Umayyads when Muhammad bin Qasin marched over it in the 8th century. Ghuori never knew about it. Neither did Babur. It is only important to the slaves of the British imperialists who go to London , take a degree and come back to oppress ordinary Pakistanis.

This means that the other proposition is true---------->Pakistan is the rump state/successor of Turkic Islamic empires that ruled over the North India

 

[Old School]

This means that the other proposition is true---------->Pakistan is the rump state/successor of Turkic Islamic empires that ruled over the North India

No. That Turkic Islamic state was killed by the local converts long before British cremated it. Modern Pakistan is largely a British colonial legacy. This is analogous to modern Turkey which is genetically and culturally more Balkan than multi ethnic Ottoman which had Persian as the Court language.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

No. That Turkic Islamic state was killed by the local converts long before British cremated it. Modern Pakistan is largely a British colonial legacy. This is analogous to modern Turkey which is genetically and culturally more Balkan than multi ethnic Ottoman which had Persian as the Court language.

How much of Pakistan is the legacy of the Durrani and the Sikh empires?