Is Mig-29 jets Good for Pakistan, For Maritime Attack?

[ptldM3]

By your logic, Su-35 would be a Su-27 variant.

So when new engines and avionics are fitted, it's not the same aircraft? And again you asked to find any Mig-29 varient. Your logic is: when an aircraft gets new upgrades it can't be compaired, which is simply not true. Example, F-18 compaired to F-18SH both are the same aircraft but one is a newer varient, thus it is superior.

Even better, F-22 would be a F-15 variant.

you're taking it to the extreem.

Mig-35 and Mig-29 are in the same family, but it is not a variant.

Yes it is. It's a further development of the Mig-29.

The Mikoyan MiG-35 (Russian: Микоян МиГ-35, NATO reporting name: Fulcrum-F) is a further development of the MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB


Mikoyan MiG-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Key words Mig-29M/M2 and Mig-29K

They are not even in the same class with almost 9000kg difference in take off weight.

New engines, and composites will do that. If the Mig-35 had some Mig-29 engines from 1983 would it make you feel better? They still weigh the same but more powerful engines enables the Mig-35 to carry more payload.

 

[emotionless_teenage]

in a perspective,F/A-18F can be called a new aircraft compared to F/A-18D.other than bigger dimension,it also has a significant difference in term of airframe layout,new F414 engine,different air intakes,more hardpoint,etc

unlike F-16 which has minor airframe changes throughout its block,F/A-18F has been modified extensively to meet USN need for a new generation aircraft carrier multirole aircraft to replace the existing different A,E and F type aircraft

 

[Chanakyaa]

Yes it is. It's a further development of the Mig-29.

The Mikoyan MiG-35 (Russian: Микоян МиГ-35, NATO reporting name: Fulcrum-F) is a further development of the MiG-29M/M2 and MiG-29K/KUB

Yes, The Mig 35 is the Alias of Mig 29 OVT for this very reason.

 

[Super Falcon]

any way MIG 29 most of airforces want to replace it weather it is upgraded or non upgraded russia grounded all of this MIG 29 they can do upgade at any time but they think even with upgade this is not going to change more fighter capabilities

 

[Chanakyaa]

any way MIG 29 most of airforces want to replace it weather it is upgraded or non upgraded russia grounded all of this MIG 29 they can do upgade at any time but they think even with upgade this is not going to change more fighter capabilities

On contrary India is buying Fresh Mig 29Ks to equip Vikramaditya and IAC 1.

 

[Super Falcon]

yes thats shows how foolish indian navy is in amount they can buy MIG 35 carrier based but they still wanna go for same ols crap which cant even fight with F 16 in syria war we saw it and kindly open ur eyes to realities MIG 29 era is gone of 60s now it is 2010

 

[RPK]

yes thats shows how foolish indian navy is in amount they can buy MIG 35 carrier based but they still wanna go for same ols crap which cant even fight with F 16 in syria war we saw it and kindly open ur eyes to realities MIG 29 era is gone of 60s now it is 2010

Dont worry mate for that naval MRCA is comming very near

Indian Navy keen to buy newer generation aircraft

Saab generates new JAS-model​

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Published January 14, 2010 - 19:22
Updated 14 January 2010 - 20:36
Aircraft manufacturer Saab will present shortly a new version of the JAS Gripen fighter plane, the report can now reveal. The new version is specially adapted for aircraft carriers. The background is that the Indian Navy has turned to Saab with an inquiry.
The new aircraft is based on the latest NG version of the JAS Gripen, the model Saab is now trying to sell to several different countries. Of these, Brazil and India also showed interest for the aircraft carrier-based variant.
Saab has been over a year working on the project and will shortly be submitting a development plan for the Indian Navy. These include the strengthening of the landing wheels, some other technical changes and a hook on landing.
The new aircraft carrier-based version of the Gripen is called Sea Gripen and are not in reality but only on the drawing board. The background to India's interest is the country's plans for a major expansion of its aircraft carrier fleet in the next 10-15 years.
Overall, it is about three to five new aircraft carriers, which means that any business may be about 50 to 100 new fighter planes. Gripen is one of several aircraft that are being considered.
This deal is completely off the Indian Air Force are now at the final stage of. These are just over 100 new aircraft to be purchased and also here is JAS Gripen is a candidate.
The original specification for the JAS Gripen makes that only limited modifications of the plane to make it clear aircraft carrier takeoffs and landings, according to project manager Peter Nilsson.
The Swedish system with vägbaser has made great demands on the possibility of land on narrow roads and short runways. An environment that is similar to what happens on an aircraft carrier, he says.
Mats Knutson

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[conworldus]

yes thats shows how foolish indian navy is in amount they can buy MIG 35 carrier based but they still wanna go for same ols crap which cant even fight with F 16 in syria war we saw it and kindly open ur eyes to realities MIG 29 era is gone of 60s now it is 2010

Well you know, you get what you pay for. India doesn't really have enough money to buy a lot of western fighters. The MRCA in my opinion is more of a PR stunt. Imagine India paying 100m (200m if you add all the spare parts and other support) per Eurofighter, 120 would cost in the ball park of 24 billon which is more than the entire budget of India's airforce.

 

[RPK]

Well you know, you get what you pay for. India doesn't really have enough money to buy a lot of western fighters. The MRCA in my opinion is more of a PR stunt. Imagine India paying 100m (200m if you add all the spare parts and other support) per Eurofighter, 120 would cost in the ball park of 24 billon which is more than the entire budget of India's airforce.

who said? we don't have money we ready for it


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Indian Navy is willing to procure F-35 advanced fighters from US, but it is not interested in F-18 fighter planes as they are not "compatible" with the aircraft carriers of the naval force, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Arun Prakash said here today.

"Yes. Given an offer, we will be much interested in having the F-35 fighters," Admiral Prakash told reporters when asked if the Navy would be willing to procure the advanced fighters from the US.

He was speaking to reporters after the commissioning of warship INS Beas at the Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers Ltd. Admiral Prakash said that the F-18 aircraft, being offered by the US to Indian armed forces, would not be relevant for the Navy. "F-18 is a carrier-borne aircraft, but needs steam catapult (for take-off). It is not compatible to ski-jump and therefore, not suitable for our type of aircraft carriers," he said. On the other hand the F-35 aircraft were of the ski-jump type and would be suitable for the Navy's aircraft carriers, he explained.

The Navy was also looking for acquisition of "reconnoisseur aircraft but not of AWACS type," Admiral Prakash said, but hastened to add that plans were underway to replace the Sea Harrier fighter aircraft with MiG 29-K and light combat aircraft (LCA). "We have one squadron of fighter aircraft Sea Harrier with INS Virat, but it will be replaced by Mig 29-K or LCA," he said.[/

 

[IrbiS]

I think PAK NAVY should develop its own carrier with J11s and JH-7.It 'll reduce some workload of AIR FORCE and increase its capability.Pakistan has no nee to buy mig-29 but it is not a bad and ugly russian plane.I am not defending Mig and Russia but it is a truth that mig is a very dangerous fighter.It also depends on pilot too.U.S used mig-29s and they they admitted that it is more deadly than F16 if upgraded and maintained properlyAND I ADD WITH A BRILLIANT Pilot.

 

[IrbiS]

After J-10 Pakistan should get Su-30 and China can help us.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Even Hungary is seeking probable customer for their 24 retired Mig-29s.

 

[luckyyy]

On contrary India is buying Fresh Mig 29Ks to equip Vikramaditya and IAC 1.

iAF is the only one who can buy and maintain these old fighters , only in india there is a dedicated mig-29 maintanence depot has been putup , india menufecturing the engine too...if IAF decided to buy these , they will just have to extend the upgrade program to put these 14 fighters into orbit too..

 

[Zabaniyah]

Let's be very clear, the MiG-29 is a very deadly fighter even compared to the F-16. However, like any other Russian birds - they are very maintenance intensive compared to their Western rivals. I must add that Russian birds are very tough, Russians like their equipment being straight and brutal rather than being sophisticated as opposed to their Western counterparts.

My country have been operating Fulcrums for about a decade. They are a logistical nightmare. And yes, they were brand new. In fact, during the previous BNP-led administration - they have been seriously thinking about selling them because they are so expensive to maintain. They still remain in service anyhow since our access to advanced air superiority fighters is very limited - mostly due to lack of funds and politics.

I think it is better if PAF and PN go for Chinese or if favorable - US aircraft. And also, those RMAF MiGs have been in operation for God knows how long. They may not be financially feasible or even unsafe. The Malays themselves complained about the problems they faced with the MiGs.

In the end, I believe that it is mandatory for any country to be self-sufficient. I think this path to self-sufficiency part is very crucial for Muslim majority nations considering the geo-political landscape we are witnessing today.

 

[TOPGUN]

As talked about several times before PAF is not gona buy mig-29's PAF has its focous on other projects like thunder,f-16's and fc-20's now their were rumors about j-11 for PN or PAF i don't know but that is it so why even waste time being in dream world and thread space .