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Is Lockheed dumping F-16s on India?

Firstly, it's your own defense experts pointing to this fact.
JF-17 is today, in ten years it would be operational in numbers in Block-3 form.....not just coming off the production lines.
Same is with F-16 block 70 too. F-16 is still your front line jet, for India it will be a replacement of Mig-21's not our frontline jet. And F-16 blk 70 would be equally good (an understatment) to your other frontline jet - the JF-17 blk 3
 
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By the time we'll be inducting 5th gen jets, indians will be getting their first F-16s :lol:

Whatever happened to the failure tejashit? :rofl::rofl:

JF-17s been deployed in numbers, getting upgraded, has competed tens of thousands of flying hours, and have gotten actual real time air-to-air kills (let alone shooting down Su-27s in air-combat exercises).

While tejas is still being carried on the truck.
By the time we'll be inducting 5th gen jets, indians will be getting their first F-16s :lol:
By the time you would be inducting your 5th generation India will already have FGFA and F-16 will be only replacing Mig 21, and MiG 21 are just interceptors. And an interceptor with F16 -Block 70 is a really good choice to make.

Whatever happened to the failure tejashit? :rofl::rofl:
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JF-17s been deployed in numbers, getting upgraded, has competed tens of thousands of flying hours, and have gotten actual real time air-to-air kills (let alone shooting down Su-27s in air-combat exercises).
JF-17 a real time air to air kill....:what: that is a news... anyways JF17 as a front line fighter jet would be awesome against Su30Mki which is the front line fighter jet with your adversary ...:azn:
 
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Same is with F-16 block 70 too. F-16 is still your front line jet, for India it will be a replacement of Mig-21's not our frontline jet. And F-16 blk 70 would be equally good (an understatment) to your other frontline jet - the JF-17 blk 3
This is like going back in time with when Tejas was supposed to have been inducted and what actually transpired just as your MMRCA deal.
The JF-17 is flying, with block-3 already in the pipeline....F-16 blk 70 merely on the paper with lots of ifs and buts.
 
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This is like going back in time with when Tejas was supposed to have been inducted and what actually transpired just as your MMRCA deal.
The JF-17 is flying, with block-3 already in the pipeline....F-16 blk 70 merely on the paper with lots of ifs and buts.
Jammer dear.... JF-17 will be an frontline jet or will only act like watchdog or interceptors like F-16 block 70 would be doing for India... ?
The JF-17, with block-3 already in the pipeline....F-16 blk 70 merely on the paper with lots of ifs and buts.
I would like to take it as sarcasm:-)
 
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Jammer dear.... JF-17 will be an frontline jet or will only act like watchdog or interceptors like F-16 block 70 would be doing for India... ?
The JF-17, with block-3 already in the pipeline....F-16 blk 70 merely on the paper with lots of ifs and buts.
I would like to take it as sarcasm:-)
Baba Ji, why not ask IAF about what role the JF-17 is playing with at least one MKI pilot with a particular incident during recent hostilities on LOC. ;)
 
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This is like going back in time with when Tejas was supposed to have been inducted and what actually transpired just as your MMRCA deal.
The JF-17 is flying, with block-3 already in the pipeline....F-16 blk 70 merely on the paper with lots of ifs and buts.
MOU with China for JF-17 was signed in 1995. Fist batch of CKD units arrived from China in 2007. That's full 12 years. Final assembly started in pakistan in 2009. Let's see how long this deal take (IF it materializes).
 
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MOU with China for JF-17 was signed in 1995. Fist batch of CKD units arrived from China in 2007. That's full 12 years. Final assembly started in pakistan in 2009. Let's see how long this deal take (IF it materializes).
From scratch to operational service within a decade with Block-2 already flying and Block-3 due by 2019.
A far cry from when Tejas was supposed to have started replacing MiGs in the 90s....come 2017 and still not available in a full squadron strength....watch this space.
 
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Baba Ji, why not ask IAF about what role the JF-17 is playing with at least one MKI pilot with a particular incident during recent hostilities on LOC. ;)
So, why to compare a front line fighter with a interceptor that would just be policing around the borders with few BWRs, WRs and an AESA at it's nose. :sick:
 
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From scratch to operational service within a decade with Block-2 already flying and Block-3 due by 2019.
A far cry from when Tejas was supposed to have started replacing MiGs in the 90s....come 2017 and still not available in a full squadron strength....watch this space.
Project itself was "launched" by China in 1991 (actually started in 1989 with a foreign contractor). it is more than 2 decades now. BTW, you can anytime launch a block 4, block 5 or whatever. Just change the landing gear and call it block 4 :p:. JF-17 pedigree:

Mig-21 --> F-7 (license built Mig-21) --> JF-17
 
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Is Lockheed dumping F-16s on India?
By Vineet KhareBBC Hindi
  • 20 June 2017
  • From the sectionIndia
They [F16] were originally conceived in the early 1970s as a "lightweight air-to-air day fighter".
But some commentators in India are asking if the agreement with the Tatas is an effort by Lockheed to offload old technology in India.
"India a dumping ground for obsolete weapons system?" asked defence expert Brahma Chellaney on Twitter.
Defence writer Rahul Bedi agrees with Mr Chellaney.
"F-16s developed in the '70s have already reached the optimum level of modernisation. The US Air Force has phased them out in favour of the much more advanced F-35s," he told the BBC.
In May 1971, the Air Force Prototype Study Group was established. Two of its six proposals would be funded, one being the Lightweight Fighter (LWF). The Request for Proposals issued on 6 January 1972 called for a 20,000-pound (9,100 kg) class air-to-air day fighter with a good turn rate, acceleration and range, and optimized for combat at speeds of Mach 0.6–1.6 and altitudes of 30,000–40,000 feet (9,100–12,000 m). The anticipated average flyaway cost of a production version was $3 million. This production plan, though, was only notional as the USAF had no firm plans to procure the winner. Five companies responded and in 1972, the Air Staff selected General Dynamics' Model 401 and Northrop's P-600 for the follow-on prototype development and testing phase. GD and Northrop were awarded contracts worth $37.9 million and $39.8 million to produce the YF-16 and YF-17, respectively, with first flights of both prototypes planned for early 1974. The first YF-16 was rolled out on 13 December 1973, and its 90-minute maiden flight was made at the Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) at Edwards AFB, California, on 2 February 1974. Its actual first flight occurred accidentally during a high-speed taxi test on 20 January 1974. Introduction into US service on 17 August 1978.
The F-16 had been scheduled to remain in service with the U.S. Air Force until 2025. Its replacement was planned to be the F-35A variant of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. However, due to delays in the F-35 program, all USAF F-16s will receive service life extension upgrades. In 2014 the USAF issued a RFI to SLEP 300 F-16 C/D.
In a departure from one of the F-16's original raison d'etre, cost effectiveness, recent costs for both new and refurbished aircraft have risen significantly from its 1998 fly-away price. This cost led the Polish deputy minister for national defence Bartosz Kownacki recently to counsel against buying used F-16s, saying that buying a new F-35 would be better value. Which is an argument for lowering cost by production in India.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. of India built 657 MiG-21FL, MiG-21M and MiG-21bis (of which 225 were bis)
The group set up to manufacture MiG-21 under licence (with its new factories planned in Koraput, Nasik and Hyderabad). Production at HAL started in the early-mid 1970s, by which time the Mig-21 had already been in service well over a decade and the design some 20 years old, since development of what would become the MiG-21 began in the early 1950s. The MiG-21 jet fighter was a continuation of Soviet jet fighters, starting with the subsonic MiG-15 and MiG-17, and the supersonic MiG-19.
During the 1980s, HAL also developed an advanced version of the MiG-21, known as MiG-21 Bison, which increased its life-span by more than 20 years. On December 11, 2013, India's second generation supersonic jet fighter, MiG-21FL was decommissioned after being in service for 50 years. The remaining MiG-21 Bisons of the IAF are scheduled to be phased out by 2019.

MIG-21
First flight 14 February 1956 (Ye-2)
Introduction 1959 (MiG-21F)
Produced 1959 (MiG-21F) - 1985 (MiG-21bis)
Number built 11,496 (10,645 produced in the USSR, 657 in India, 194 in Czechoslovakia)
 
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Project itself was "launched" by China in 1991 (actually started in 1989 with a foreign contractor). it is more than 2 decades now. BTW, you can anytime launch a block 4, block 5 or whatever. Just change the landing gear and call it block 4 :p:. JF-17 pedigree:

Mig-21 --> F-7 (license built Mig-21) --> JF-17
Apples and Oranges, the original project was that of Sabre II for which Grumman was given the work to carry out a feasibility study.
If things were that simple, the SU-30s which India claims to manufacture wouldn't be just some 60% operational due to lack of spares.
Even a blind person will tell you that JF-17 looks nothing close to MiG-21....however checkout the inputs in the so called INDIGENOUS Tejas. :D

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/13nad.htm

Too much of faking is not good, amina
As i said you should just stick to reading fiction....sanwli.
 
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Must say I am a new member but am disappointed with the quality of an elite member of the forum. Trolling and diversion tactics rather than sticking to the point seem your specialty. No point trying to get in a logical discussion with you. I rest my case. SAD!!!
Oh you are a so called new member but have already judged me by a post or two.
 
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