Is it worth it to build Shivaji Statue in India?

[SirHatesALot]

It is not a serious demand

Just ego

Its a very serious demand.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Its a very serious demand.

No it is not ; the recent agitation was more political than anything

And their main grudge was against the SC- ST - Atrocities act which was
misused in a few places

They know the legal complications and barriers

Anyway they are the land owners and the most powerful community

They are not backward by any stretch of imagination

 

[911]

How naive and convenient!! Lol.

 

[SirHatesALot]

No it is not ; the recent agitation was more political than anything

And their main grudge was against the SC- ST - Atrocities act which was
misused in a few places

They know the legal complications and barriers

Anyway they are the land owners and the most powerful community

They are not backward by any stretch of imagination

Maratha's are not powerful community in Maharashtra by any stretch of imagination.

 

[Sky lord]

its the same logic with India prefering to buy foreign weapons then to feed their poor or build infrastructure.

a very simplistic way to see this:

a hungry student with only 10dollars left prefering to buy a movie ticket then to get himself some food

that's the Indian way of doing things. always trying to reach for something- that is beyond their reach.

Ego and pride > pragmatism

I am going to reply in good faith but if you are just your typical Chinese chauvinist looking to show off your famous Chinese tiger statistics then please ignore this response.

1. HUGE and I mean really enormous sums of money are being spent by the government on development programs across the country, from cold storage and irrigation facilities for farmers, to subsidized health care . It will take time to fix India because the problems are large. Spending another 500 million on top of the Billions currently being spent will make no perceptible difference.

2. Maharashtra is not a poor state by any standards....it can decide how to spend its taxpayers money, they do not need lectures from the Chinese. A lot of development funds in India are stolen, billions were spent on irrigation by the previous government of Maharashtra without ever digging a single ditch. If the 500 million is diverted to "development" the chances are most of it will get stolen too.

Modern systems are being put in place to change this ...but it will take time.

3. It is important to have some beautification and landmark type projects for any country. It is part of the branding effort...the goodwill and name recognition provided by that is good for business. Same reason that Dubai builds skyscrapers in the dessert...not because of lack of land but as a beacon of modernization. It also encourages the middle class who are the backbone of the country and have been phenomenally ignored by successive governments.

USA has over a million homeless and many many millions without any healthcare and poor inner city schools yet spends Billions and Billions on pet food, defence, junkets......people have the right to decide their own priorities.maharashtra is not asking for funds from the Chinese.


4. The statue will ultimately pay for itself with tourism revenue same way that the Indian space program now brings in. Billions of dollars worth of foreign exchange.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Maratha's are not powerful community in Maharashtra by any stretch of imagination.

Then Who is ; in your opinion

 

[SirHatesALot]

Then Who is ; in your opinion

No particular community.

 

[ashok321]

When Modi landed in Maharashtra for bhumi pujan or jal pujan for the statue, CM Fadnavis spent 24 crores of emergency funds reserved for tsunami & cyclones.

LOL @ statue;

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

I am going to reply in good faith but if you are just your typical Chinese chauvinist looking to show off your famous Chinese tiger statistics then please ignore this response.

1. HUGE and I mean really enormous sums of money are being spent by the government on development programs across the country, from cold storage and irrigation facilities for farmers, to subsidized health care . It will take time to fix India because the problems are large. Spending another 500 million on top of the Billions currently being spent will make no perceptible difference.

2. Maharashtra is not a poor state by any standards....it can decide how to spend its taxpayers money, they do not need lectures from the Chinese. A lot of development funds in India are stolen, billions were spent on irrigation by the previous government of Maharashtra without ever digging a single ditch. If the 500 million is diverted to "development" the chances are most of it will get stolen too.

Modern systems are being put in place to change this ...but it will take time.

3. It is important to have some beautification and landmark type projects for any country. It is part of the branding effort...the goodwill and name recognition provided by that is good for business. Same reason that Dubai builds skyscrapers in the dessert...not because of lack of land but as a beacon of modernization. It also encourages the middle class who are the backbone of the country and have been phenomenally ignored by successive governments.

USA has over a million homeless and many many millions without any healthcare and poor inner city schools yet spends Billions and Billions on pet food, defence, junkets......people have the right to decide their own priorities.maharashtra is not asking for funds from the Chinese.


4. The statue will ultimately pay for itself with tourism revenue same way that the Indian space program now brings in. Billions of dollars worth of foreign exchange.

thanks your wall text just reaffirmed my point yourself- Indians have misplaced priorities. Prefering to build a 'beautification' statue rather then to invest in programs to lift the 17.35% of its people in the state of Maharastra alone- out of poverty

500million could had been used to fund employment programs for the 19.49 million dirt-poor indians in Maharastra

 

[Sky lord]

thanks u just reaffirmed my point yourself- Indians have misplaced priorities.

We will decide what our priorities are we are not asking for your money .

Again
1.We are spending huge amounts on development programs
2.This statue will eventually pay for itself
3.It will help towards the branding of Mumbai
4. No country waits to eradicate all its problems before starting on a landmark
5. This is really not that expensive by global standards
6. It is really bothering the Chinese and the Pakistanis

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

We will decide what our priorities are we are not asking for your money .

ya n thus, u resort to brushing me aside when i hit some sore spots.

 

[Sky lord]

500million could had been used to fund employment programs for the 19.49 million dirt-poor indians in Maharastra

Maharashtrians are not dirt poor.

Currently many billions are being spent in that state on employment programs

I would advise you to stop arguing as you are now beginning to sound like an uninformed moron!

Better to keep silent and let others think you may be a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

We will decide what our priorities are we are not asking for your money .

Again
1.We are spending huge amounts on development programs
2.This statue will eventually pay for itself
3.It will help towards the branding of Mumbai
4. No country waits to eradicate all its problems before starting on a landmark
5. This is really not that expensive by global standards
6. It is really bothering the Chinese and the Pakistanis

apex of misdirecting a topic

How are indians prefering to spend $ on building a statue then to improving the lives of its dirt-poor people chewing grass and gnawing on tree barks to satisfy their hunger- got to do with 'bothering 'chinese and paksitanis'?

Maharashtrians are not dirt poor.

Currently many billions are being spent in that state on employment programs

I would advise you to stop arguing as you are now beginning to sound like an uninformed moron!

Better to keep silent and let others think you may be a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it.

Indian states and territories ranked by poverty
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

States and union
territories of India
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This is a list of States and Union Territories of India ranked according to poverty as on 16 September 2013. The list is compiled from the Annual Report of Reserve Bank of India published on 2013.[1] The rank is calculated according to the percentage of people below poverty-line and is based on MRP-consumption.

Goa ranks best with least poverty of 5.09% while national average stands at 21.92%.

Rank State/U.T. Poverty (% of people below poverty line)
1 Kerala 2.09
2 Goa 5.05
3 Himachal Pradesh 8.06
4 Sikkim 8.19
5 Punjab 8.26
6 Andhra Pradesh * 9.20
7 Jammu and Kashmir 10.35
8 Haryana 11.16
9 Uttarakhand 11.26
10 Tamil Nadu 11.28
11 Meghalaya 11.87
12 Tripura 14.05
13 Rajasthan 14.71
14 Gujarat 16.63
15 Maharashtra 17.35
16 Nagaland 18.88
17 West Bengal 19.98
18 Mizoram 20.87
19 Karnataka 20.91
** All India Average 21.92
20 Uttar Pradesh 29.43
21 Madhya Pradesh 31.65
22 Assam 31.98
23 Odisha 32.59
24 Bihar 33.74
25 Arunachal Pradesh 34.67
26 Manipur 36.89
27 Jharkhand 36.96
28 Chhattisgarh 39.93
U/T Andaman and Nicobar Islands 1.00
U/T Lakshadweep 2.77
U/T Puducherry 9.69
U/T Daman and Diu 9.86
U/T Delhi 9.91
U/T Chandigarh 21.81
U/T Dadra and Nagar Haveli 39.31


whatever it is, it doesnt changes the fact that dirt-poor indians indeed prefer building a 'beautiful' statue then to help its people. The countless debating threads opened by Indians themselves in PDF reaffirms this point.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

You are absolutely correct

The whole quarrel began when a Known Commie and a Bengali
brought other issues like farmers and poverty into it

As if Bengal is all overflowing with Milk and Honey

When their Congress govt was in power for 15 years it wasted
some Thirty thousand crores in fake irrigation projects

Isnt that condemnable

Yep, the same people who question this decision did nothing to alleviate farmers' suffering when they were in power for close to 70 years. The monstrous irrigation scam, combined with Ajit Pawar's smug reaction when questioned about lack of water for the farmers, was so vulgar and sick to the stomach. It is amazing how short memory we all have.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...dams-Ajit-Pawar-says/articleshow/19434604.cms

@Topic

Money was never the problem to mitigate hunger in India. It is the distribution system and corruption that need fixes. Those questioning the costs of the project are barking up the wrong tree.

I support the statue provided they also show the zeal to fix other problems dogging Maharashtra/India - especially re small farmers. I am not suggesting that BJP Gov. isn't doing anything good right now.

What I hate to see is if this issue was reduced to a gimmick to politicize a non-issue - just like the Congress government in next door Karnataka is doing with Tipu Day.

 

[Goenitz]

No Sir, I am not debating what is wrong and right. like building a statue itself or temple. whether he killed his own people or not. it was just to find reason of building symbolic edifice. it seems like just people want to buy an 'expensive' gift just bcz they like it (at least that is public sentiment) however, Govt might have exploited that and did the analysis of pros and cons and went for it. It can be any reason but not of National Unity as it seems sivaji is a controversial figure.

Hope you people know that shivaji massacred gujratis and even desecrated Hindu temples ..

My God it is stopped now... as the thread is derailed just after the 3rd page. You should consider it closing. @WebMaster