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Major problem of Indian Members is there fan boy sort of thoughts, They won't accept their defeats and blame others are doing propagenda..Our One jet shot down their 6 jets.. Our population is 1/6 th of their population, During kargil they were 30000 and we were just 500 hunderd ,Later they bring all of their military strength including IAF but when our air defence forces shot their two jets ,They never came down from 25000+ height then after and their all shot outs totaly missed their targets..During Bengal war our 0.1 million troops had fought against 1 million Mukhti bihani+ 0.5 million indian troops in bangal, with limited amount of weapons.. in 1965 They attacked on Lahore and shows the picture of Lahore's police station in return our Army captured Rajistan fort in india.. Still Indians claim their victory without any authentic source or complete information.. Now Wat we supposed to do If here indian members are soo deilusional...:lol::rofl::pakistan:

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OW ! So You Think indians are saint ... If it is then more then 50% indian citizen won't be poor..

deilusional... :lol: :rofl:
 
Major problem of Indian Members is there fan boy sort of thoughts, They won't accept their defeats and blame others are doing propagenda..Our One jet shot down their 6 jets.. Our population is 1/6 th of their population, During kargil they were 30000 and we were just 500 hunderd ,Later they bring all of their military strength including IAF but when our air defence forces shot their two jets ,They never came down from 25000+ height then after and their all shot outs totaly missed their targets..During Bengal war our 0.1 million troops had fought against 1 million Mukhti bihani+ 0.5 million indian troops in bangal, with limited amount of weapons.. in 1965 They attacked on Lahore and shows the picture of Lahore's police station in return our Army captured Rajistan fort in india.. Still Indians claim their victory without any authentic source or complete information.. Now Wat we supposed to do If here indian members are soo deilusional...:lol::rofl::pakistan:

i would post on how the Pakistani education system brainwashes you but i'm not trying to get banned so instead i'll show you the legit proof both neutral and even from your own people

1965 war results from neutral authors

here have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had a upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —
According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[76] –
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.
TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[77] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.
Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[78] –
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.
In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[79] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.
An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[80] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.
In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.
Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[81]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.
BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[82]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.
"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.
An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[83] –
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.
English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[84] –
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.
Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[85] –
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Pakistan lost all wars against india - YouTube


Truth of 1965 and 1971 war between india pakistan by pakistani journalist - YouTube


Pakistan can never win a war with India - By Pakitani Journalist Najam Sethi -3.flv - YouTube


and get over yourself kid don't think your the sht just but i can't blame you the army runs your country and your education system is well lets just stay a bit more than flawed, since 1947 you guys started 4 wars with us and ask yourself what have you gotten? in your miserable attempt to take Kashmir illegally in 1948 you guys only ended up getting 1/3 whereas we took the rest including the Kashmir valley, ask yourself we have the part of Kashmir that holds all the vital rivers that form the lifeline of your economy and at any given point we can divert the waters causing famine and despair in your country.

4 wars and 60+ years later we broke your nation in Half and we took the entire Siachen glacier and what have you guys done?

anyways quote this post if you have the balls too i love to embarrass ignorant and arrogant people
 
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OW ! So You Think indians are saint ... If it is then more then 50% indian citizen won't be poor..


so i was wondering what source u have.......plz show me some real authentic source of ur observations of "more than 50% powerty of India" which u have clamed or otherwise i have to post of links regarding pakistan's powerty:rofl:
 
i would post on how the Pakistani education system brainwashes you but i'm not trying to get banned so instead i'll show you the legit proof both neutral and even from your own people

1965 war results from neutral authors

here have been several neutral assessments of the losses incurred by both India and Pakistan during the war. Most of these assessments agree that India had a upper hand over Pakistan when ceasefire was declared. Some of the neutral assessments are mentioned below —
According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[76] –
The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.
TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[77] The article further elaborates,
Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.
Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[78] –
The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.
In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[79] Gertjan Dijkink writes –
The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.
An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[80] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965,
In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.
In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[7] –
India won the war. It gained 1,840 km2 (710 sq mi) of Pakistani territory: 640 km2 (250 sq mi) in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 km2 (180 sq mi) of the Sailkot sector; 380 km2 (150 sq mi) far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 km2 (140 sq mi) on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 km2 (210 sq mi) of Indian territory: 490 km2 (190 sq mi) in the Chhamb sector and 50 km2 (19 sq mi) around Khem Karan.
Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war,[81]
Although both sides lost heavily in men and material, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.
BBC reported that the war served game changer in Pakistani politics,[82]
The defeat in the 1965 war led to the army's invincibility being challenged by an increasingly vocal opposition. This became a surge after his protege, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, deserted him and established the Pakistan People's Party.
"A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[8] –
India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles (1,900 km2) of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 square miles (570 km2) of its own.
An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[83] –
A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.
English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[84] –
The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.
Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[85] –
Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Pakistan lost all wars against india - YouTube


Truth of 1965 and 1971 war between india pakistan by pakistani journalist - YouTube


Pakistan can never win a war with India - By Pakitani Journalist Najam Sethi -3.flv - YouTube


and get over yourself kid don't think your the sht just but i can't blame you the army runs your country and your education system is well lets just stay a bit more than flawed, since 1947 you guys started 4 wars with us and ask yourself what have you gotten? in your miserable attempt to take Kashmir illegally in 1948 you guys only ended up getting 1/3 whereas we took the rest including the Kashmir valley, ask yourself we have the part of Kashmir that holds all the vital rivers that form the lifeline of your economy and at any given point we can divert the waters causing famine and despair in your country.

4 wars and 60+ years later we broke your nation in Half and we took the entire Siachen glacier and what have you guys done?

anyways quote this post if you have the balls too i love to embarrass ignorant and arrogant people
Lol! and posted one of the low rated corrupt anchor video... Hahaha Even they don't know wat happened in war, never seen war and claiming about war. ......:rofl:
 
Lol! and posted one of the low rated corrupt anchor video... Hahaha Even they don't know wat happened in war, never seen war and claiming about war. ......:rofl:

look at the neutral authors perspective besides what he is saying is matching what the authors are saying please refute this

PAKISTAN'S ASSERTIVE REGIONAL STRATEGY -- [FROM THE TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM AND UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, HOUSE REPUBLICAN RESEARCH COMMITTEE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, DC, AUG. 24, 1994] (Extension of Remarks - September 12, 1994)

Pakistan has been looking into the acquisition of nuclear weapons since the early-1960s. After Pakistan's defeat in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani war, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto vowed to retain a strategic balance with India, including the development of nuclear weapons, at any cost. `If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass or leaves, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own. We have no alternative,' he said in 1965.

anything before was just the tip of the iceberg i think this is the final blow

gulfnews : Army attemps to prevent book sales
 
Major problem of Indian Members is there fan boy sort of thoughts, They won't accept their defeats and blame others are doing propagenda..Our One jet shot down their 6 jets.. Our population is 1/6 th of their population, During kargil they were 30000 and we were just 500 hunderd ,Later they bring all of their military strength including IAF but when our air defence forces shot their two jets ,iThey never came down from 25000+ height then after and their all shot outs totaly missed their targets..During Bengal war our 0.1 million troops had fought against 1 million Mukhti bihani+ 0.5 million indian troops in bangal, with limited amount of weapons.. in 1965 They attacked on Lahore and shows the picture of Lahore's police station in return our Army captured Rajistan fort in india.. Still Indians claim their victory without any authentic source or complete information.. Now Wat we supposed to do If here indian members are soo

1)Indian members are fans of Indians achievements while pakistani members are fans of chinese achievements

2)ur population is 1/6 of our's population ,it was still not a Indian problem

3)you lost kargil bcoz you places only 500 soldiers agaisnt our's our 30000 soldiers ,still it is not Indian problem,,so lack of pakistani soldiers is also not a Indian problem

4)if you don't have much amt of weapons and man then why you always jumped into wars,still not a Indian problem.

5)you said that ur army captured "rajistan fort" lol....first u shoul know that it is "Rajasthan" not "Rajistan".......rajasthan is largest state of India and rajasthan had dozens of forts.......now u should decide which fort u have captured....lol :lol:
 
*sigh*

Another article from Indian Defense Review.

Most of these so-called 'defense analysts' are a little more than armchair generals.
 
look at the neutral authors perspective besides what he is saying is matching what the authors are saying please refute this

PAKISTAN'S ASSERTIVE REGIONAL STRATEGY -- [FROM THE TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM AND UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, HOUSE REPUBLICAN RESEARCH COMMITTEE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WASHINGTON, DC, AUG. 24, 1994] (Extension of Remarks - September 12, 1994)

Pakistan has been looking into the acquisition of nuclear weapons since the early-1960s. After Pakistan's defeat in the 1965 Indo-Pakistani war, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto vowed to retain a strategic balance with India, including the development of nuclear weapons, at any cost. `If India builds the bomb, we will eat grass or leaves, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own. We have no alternative,' he said in 1965.

anything before was just the tip of the iceberg i think this is the final blow

gulfnews : Army attemps to prevent book sales

Why not we read remarks of an indian General1965 War, the Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan:

In Chapter 8 titled “Of Cowardice and Panic”, the author describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When the general was fired upon by Pakistani forces, he “ran away”. “On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga to the battlefront. Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running. Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: “He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his ranl. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved.” Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: “Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved? Niranjan Prasad had no answer.”

Pradhan’s book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads: Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.
 
Pakistani land gains in the 65 war were mostly uninhabited desert areas in Rajasthan whereas we made gains in the Punjab and Kashmir sectors all given away in the ceasefire.
 
1)Indian members are fans of Indians achievements while pakistani members are fans of chinese achievements

2)ur population is 1/6 of our's population ,it was still not a Indian problem

3)you lost kargil bcoz you places only 500 soldiers agaisnt our's our 30000 soldiers ,still it is not Indian problem,,so lack of pakistani soldiers is also not a Indian problem

4)if you don't have much amt of weapons and man then why you always jumped into wars,still not a Indian problem.

5)you said that ur army captured "rajistan fort" lol....first u shoul know that it is "Rajasthan" not "Rajistan".......rajasthan is largest state of India and rajasthan had dozens of forts.......now u should decide which fort u have captured....lol :lol:
THAT ONE RAJISTHAN FORT;)

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PAKISTAN ARMY CAPTURING RAJPUT FORT
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Pakistani land gains in the 65 war were mostly uninhabited desert areas in Rajasthan whereas we made gains in the Punjab and Kashmir sectors all given away in the ceasefire.
:lol: Those lands you've captured in night frm civilians ,without any clash was the cowardly attempt of crossing international territory ..but later when Pakistan army arrived They pushed your army back into indian territory not just only just pushed back but also gained your territory too..
 

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