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Is India going for F-35 instead of F-16 or F/A-18?

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It is better to go for F35 !

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Indian Air Force's Tejas landing after a fly past during the 84th Air Force Day parade at Hindon Air Force Station in Ghaziabad on Saturday | photo: Sanjay K Sharma

Ajai Shukla | New Delhi October 8, 2016, Business Standard‎

A global contest has restarted for supplying India a medium, multi-role fighter, with the IAF inviting top international fighter jet manufacturers to set up a production facility in India.

Business Standard has learned that Indian embassies in Washington, Moscow and Stockholm wrote on Friday to fighter jet manufacturers in these countries to confirm whether they would partner an Indian company in building a medium,
single-engine fighter, with significant transfer of technology to the Indian entity.


The confidential document sent by the embassies is not technically a “Request for Information” (RFI), which is a precursor to a “Request for Proposals” (also known as a tender). However, it serves the same purpose, which is to determine which vendors are interested and what they are willing to offer.

By specifying that the IAF requires a single-engine fighter, the latest letter differs from an earlier tender, issued in 2007, for 126 medium, multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). The MMRCA tender, which had no such stipulation, saw six vendors fielding four twin-engine and two single-engine fighters. The twin-engine offerings included Dassault’s Rafale, Eurofighter GmbH’s Typhoon, Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and RAC MiG’s MiG-35. The single-engine fighters offered were Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper and Saab’s Gripen D.

The much-hyped MMRCA tender eventually collapsed, with the IAF last month buying a token 36 Rafale fighters. Now, the IAF has kicked off a more focused contest that will feature only single-engine fighters.

Numerous airpower experts have pointed out that the IAF needs single-engine fighters
to replace the single-engine MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters that must be retired in the near future. The Rafale, a medium-heavy, twin-engine fighter, is too expensive for operational tasks that a single-engine fighter can easily manage.

While Boeing, Eurofighter, RAC MiG, Sukhoi and Dassault would technically be able to respond to the latest RFI, none of them can offer a state-of-the-art, medium, single-engine fighter. Therefore, it seems likely that New Delhi would have to choose between Saab’s Gripen E and Lockheed Martin’s latest F-16 Block 70.

As Business Standard reported earlier, both Saab and Lockheed Martin have kicked off high-stakes, high-voltage campaigns to meet the IAF’s needs. Both have already submitted what theIAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha described on Thursday as “unsolicited bids” for building their fighters in India.

Saab has linked its offer with assistance to the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) development programme, which is being spearheaded by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), a unit of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Saab has offered to help ADA in quickly developing the Tejas Mark IA, which the IAF chief said required four improvements — a better combat radar, more lethal weapons, dedicated electronic warfare capability and better maintainability. He said the upgraded Tejas should fly within three-four years.

Saab has also offered to help ADA develop the planned next-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Meanwhile, Lockheed Martin is pushing an offer, made through the Indo-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), to shift its F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas to India.

A new, more advanced version of the F-16, designated the Block 70, has been offered to entice India.

Air Headquarters insiders say there is little chance of India buying the F-16, a significantly advanced version of the Block 50/52 that the Pakistan Air Force operates. Since Washington is aware of this important bias, it remains to be seen whether the US seizes this opportunity to offer India the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a state-of-the-art fifth-generation fighter.

The IAF is keeping an open mind. On Thursday, Raha stated: “I’m sure whoever gives the best deal [will win]. All the aircraft are very capable, so it will depend upon who provides the best transfer of technology; and, of course, the price tag. It’s on the table; nothing is decided as yet.”

IAF kicks off contest to make single-engine fighters

Other similar news reports of past:
Top Pentagon official to visit India for tech talks - The Financial Express

India not keen on F-16, Lockheed Martin expected to now offer F-35
US Air Force: Tech Transfer Issues Key to F-16 Production Line Move
 
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I am not that hope full F35. Hoping to get F35 is just delaying the procurement. It is better to go with F16 or Gripen.


Not really, Situation is tensed in our region , North Koreans nuclear tests, South China sea case, situation in Syria, Cross border terrorism in India, situation in Afghanistan.

Do you think that events around LoC and attack on URI army base, Pathankot Air base are not linked to national security ?
 
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The question is whether we should go for a thing of the past or for a thing for the future.:coffee:
 
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Turkey is a friend of Pakistan. They won't make our life easier.

Turkey is second largest NATO member country where as Pakistan is chinese all weather friends.

Chinese are arming Syrians. Syrian miliary is using Chinese manpads .
 
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Turkey is second largest NATO member country where as Pakistan is chinese all weather friends.

Chinese are arming Syrians. Syrian miliary is using Chinese manpads .


Second largest in geographical sense???
 
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So they just say to the existing ordered nations, "look buddies please wait, you are in que, thank you for your patience".
Most of the orders are from "major" NATO ally, and i dont think Non major is not bigger than full major.

Republic of India and Saudi Arabia are friends of United States Establishment.
 
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Second largest in geographical sense???

No , in terms of military personals and contribution to the NATO alliance .

Turks are having a straight policy which is aligned with United States.
 
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No , in terms of military personals and contribution to the NATO alliance .

Turks are having a straight policy which is aligned with United States.

So Turks will be like.. Whoever is friend of US is a friend of mine too..

Nice logic. Very funny too.
 
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The equation has changed after the failed-coup attempt. Many suspect it was an US ploy.

United States will not destablise Turkey when the war is going on in Ukraine, Syria and Iraq.

Turkey is defending European Union but the Turks never get the respect thier deserve. Turks are like Indians.

So Turks will be like.. Whoever is friend of US is a friend of mine too..

Nice logic. Very funny too.


Its more about the United States alliance with Turkey within NATO.
 
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From F-35 to F-16.
From Ocean to river?
Hmm.


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Length 49.3 ft /15.03 m
Height 16.7 ft /5.09 m
Wingspan 32.8 ft /10.0 m
Wing area 300 sq ft /27.87 sq m
Weight empty 20,300 lb /9,207.9 kg
Maximum take-off weight 48,000 lb /21,772 kg
Internal fuel 5,920 lb /2,685.2 kg
Speed 1,500 mph(Mach 2 at altitude)
Range 1,740 n. mi
Power plant One Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200/220/229
or
One General Electric F110-GE-100/129
Engine thrust F110-GE-129 29,500 lb - F100-PW-229 29,100 lb


F - 35

Length 50.5-51.1 ft (15.4 m)
Height 15.0 ft (4.6 m)
Wingspan 35.0 ft (10.7 m)
Wing area 460 ft2 (42.7 m2)
Weight empty 22,500-26,500 lb (9,980 kg)
Maximum take-off weight
50,000-60,000 lb(22,680 kg)
Internal fuel 18,500 lb (8,390 kg)
Speed about Mach 1.5 / Mach 1.8+(~1,200 mph)
Range
Powerplant F135 P&W turbofan
Engine thrust 25,000 lb


Why not spend this money on poor


Are you talking about paper currency ?

Republic of India is self reliant in every sector , kindly check our exports all over the world , its Indians who are helping many nations.

Atleast the poorest Indian can have a meal in 5 INR/ $ 0.08/ EUR 0.07 .
 
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Dont convince me with WIKI stuff.
I have access to that myself.

However, while the terribly complexed F-35 has 8 million lines software codes. What is that of F-16's?
Any idea?

I know you wont be able to come with an answer on this.
 
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