Is Imran Khan endorsing and financing an institution that officially supports the Afghan Taliban?

[war&peace]

Malik Ishaq and his bastard sons were sent to hell. I hope Maulana Burqa will be next, he's a national security threat and has no business to be breathing.

As for Zarb-e-Azb - it's a military operation.....not a police operation. Or are you suggesting martial law must be imposed in Pakistan?



If they couldnt be defeated in 15 years despite the combined might of NATO armies plus endless finances - they wont be defeated now either politically or militarily. They are a reality which everyone must accept. Over 1/3 of the population of Afghanistan supports them and that local support is how they survive.

That isn't to say that we must not put pressure on them to reform and mend their ways. It's mostly an Afghan problem which they're gonna have to sort out

Amjad Sabri was target killed basically to create an impression that Zarb-e-Adhab was not successful. I hope they take burqa molvi to the task.

Talibans are the choice of Afghan people and we should support them in Afghanistan against the anti-Pakistan NDS. However there should be no Taliban inside the boundaries of Pakistan and we should fence the border with Afghanistan.

 

[Sipahi]

Imran Khan is promoting a sect/madrassah which is the responsible of all the mess in Pakistan.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

As I said before it doesn't matter how much evidence is presented to you, you will continue to deny it because it is in your interest to deny it regardless how much the truth is staring at you in-front of your face.

As I have said before, you should be ASHAMED of the conduct of the Taliban, and you should be ASHAMED of your claimed support to the Taliban. Incidentally, your country's official stand is that it does not support the Taliban.

Oh please, US should be ashamed for dismissing the Afghan Taliban ambassador to the US in 1999 when he categorically asked the US two years before 911 to bring forth the evidence of the claimed terror attacks committed by OBL and they would have hanged him themselves, this same question was raised again by the Afghan Taliban after 911, US instead of providing evidence invaded Afghanistan killed thousands of their civilians and removed a peoples backed government, US should be ashamed for their war mongering and India also should be ashamed for funding and backing a child rapists pedophile and drug addict ANA thugs and their war lords.

As I said, finally, you have nothing of your own to offer, only an introduction to your good friends.

CPEC is a Pakistani project as much as it is a Chinese one, with massive infrastructural and energy build up that can massively help Afghanistan's economy as much as it will with Pakistan's but only when a US and Indian backed puppet regime is overthrown.

@C130 @A-Team

 

[Joe Shearer]

As I said before it doesn't matter how much evidence is presented to you, you will continue to deny it because it is in your interest to deny it regardless how much the truth is staring at you in-front of your face.

It depends on what one defines as evidence. One can always exchange salacious gossip in the men's room and call that evidence, if there are women involved in the discussion, and that seems to be roughly your brand of evidence.

• Are there statements showing that this is policy?
• Are there documents showing that this is being sought to be done?
• Are there political positions within India, or administrative positions taken showing that this is the policy, or that this is the practice?
• Have captured terrorists spoken about their training at the hands of Indian Army personnel, within sites within India?
• Are there terrorist organisations in Afghanistan or in India stating in public before gatherings of thousands that they are committed to destabilising Pakistan through every kind of terrorist activity, and justifying this on religious grounds?
• Does India harbour such terrorist leaders, in the teeth of documentary evidence gathered from intelligence sources and from internal evidence in India, and refuse to curb their activities, leave alone punish them?

Anybody who is not blind, deaf and dumb will recognise that ALL THESE are true of another south Asian state. Have you any similar evidence against India? Or is it just men's room gossip?

Oh please, US should be ashamed for dismissing the Afghan Taliban ambassador to the US in 1999 when he categorically asked the US two years before 911 to bring forth the evidence of the claimed terror attacks committed by OBL and they would have hanged him themselves, this same question was raised again by the Afghan Taliban after 911, US instead of providing evidence invaded Afghanistan killed thousands of their civilians and removed a peoples backed government,

Yes, they did. And they should be proud of being responsible for the downfall of this dreadful bunch of regressive sadists and women-haters. Just as those in Pakistan backing them, then and today, should be ashamed of their regressive records.

US should be ashamed for their war mongering

That is between you and the US. I believe that they can defend themselves against your attacks.

and India also should be ashamed for funding and backing a child rapists pedophile and drug addict ANA thugs and their war lords.

After they were elected? Unlike the Taliban, who were not. Oh, but I forgot; I went and used the E-word. Now don't get me banned; I know it isn't a nice word to use in polite company, and I know that a Talibunny backer hates to hear it.

Did you ever wonder why it is always a Talibunny caught giving a donkey a 'hard' time?

CPEC is a Pakistani project as much as it is a Chinese one, with massive infrastructural and energy build up that can massively help Afghanistan's economy as much as it will with Pakistan's but only when a US and Indian backed puppet regime is overthrown.

I told you already about the Albanians. And you can ask the older generation about the time when Pakistan was ruled by the 3 'A's, to the world's amusement. Find out from them what this represented.

@C130 @A-Team

Amjad Sabri was target killed basically to create an impression that Zarb-e-Adhab was not successful. I hope they take burqa molvi to the task.

Talibans are the choice of Afghan people and we should support them in Afghanistan against the anti-Pakistan NDS. However there should be no Taliban inside the boundaries of Pakistan and we should fence the border with Afghanistan.

They are not only inside your borders, they are living under your protection, in broad daylight. Even newspaper reporters get to meet them and take interviews. Do you think this would be possible over months, without the active engagement of the Pakistani state?

 

[Salik]

IK understands the Afghan Taliban aren't going to be defeated if the Soviets and Americans (along with NATO) could not do it how can the ANA? Afghanistan is to mountainous and vast to check every corner and ever possible hideout. Furthermore, 1/3 of the population of Afghanistan supports them and they hold more territory than they did pre-US invasion. Considering this is the reality, it is indeed wise to have the utmost beneficial relationship with them and be on their good side. There is no point in gaining new enemies.

ANA is local. They know every nook and corner of Afghanistan. With better training and equipment they can compete Taliban very well.

I consider Taliban bigger evil than the hashishies. If they again come into power it will mean another drama is going to be played in South Asia.

Pashtuns have majority in Afghanistan. They can and must find alternative representatives if Taliban don't adopt democratic process. I hope every Pashtun is not Talib, every Talib may be a Pashtun.

Pakistan can trade with anyone whoever is in power in Afghanistan including NA, with good offers.

 

[war&peace]

They are not only inside your borders, they are living under your protection, in broad daylight. Even newspaper reporters get to meet them and take interviews. Do you think this would be possible over months, without the active engagement of the Pakistani state?

That's because of the porous border of over 2400 km. Pakistan army has already started fencing it and installing gates to control the movement of the people; the same people living across the borders speak same language, same color and facial features and even have relatives and families living on both sides. However shockingly current Afghan regime is against that so much so that it resorted to indiscriminate firing killing and injuring our soldiers including a major who sacrificed his life. PA befittingly replied to extinguish enemy's guns and briefly even captured some of their posts. More than 3-5 million Afghan refugees are living in Pakistan for the past two decades and practically it is an impossible task to isolate the peaceful from the non-peaceful especially if they are living a normal life in Pakistan. However this problem will be solved once the majority of refugees has been repatriated. And since Afghanistan has a govt in place and seems to be "stable", Pakistan has started sending them back to their homes slowly and UNHCR has arranged an initial plan for 60000 refugees, a small number but a step in the right direction nonetheless.

 

[Super Falcon]

What is bad in supporting madrassas bhai use some sense

If you send your son to school and teacher teach him anything wrong it doesn't mean entire school or madrassas are wrong

It is a duty of teachers as person

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Under torture, who will not say whatever his torturers want him to say? Are you using that as useful evidence?



One person, detained in peculiar circumstances, with ridiculous papers which could have been fabricated by anyone, anywhere, and you are so excited? When we find people with far more convincing evidence of espionage activity on our side almost at the rate of one a month?



Friendly question: don't take offence. Did you go to school? Do you know the difference between should and did? And what about APS and Bacha Khan University? Only the most hopelessly hyper-jingo would draw any link between India and those outrages.



LOL.

The ANA shells you and WE are responsible?



You didn't show a shred of evidence, just anecdotes of the sort that popular news channels show to build up their readership. If your stand is based on these silly things, it isn't much of a stand.



As I have said before, you should be ASHAMED of the conduct of the Taliban, and you should be ASHAMED of your claimed support to the Taliban. Incidentally, your country's official stand is that it does not support the Taliban.



As I said, finally, you have nothing of your own to offer, only an introduction to your good friends.

It makes me laugh.

This is the language that we heard before 1971, but at that time, it was about the Americans. Go ahead, count; that honeymoon lasted around a quarter century. This one has lasted almost as long.

Shouldn't you be, umm, looking around for someone with no ring on his finger?

You should be ashamed of supporting invasions of Afghanistan especially soviet invasion which destroyed many families and created a humanitarian disaster who the hell are you to bark about shame

 

[war&peace]

You should be ashamed of supporting invasions of Afghanistan especially soviet invasion which destroyed many families and created a humanitarian disaster who the hell are you to bark about shame

I always wonder at the shameless rationale of the people declaring Talibans terrorists, barbaric, cruel and what not but the same people advocate the actions by USA and NATO in Afghanistan that killed far more people and totally indiscriminately through carpet bombing and MOABs... and they shamelessly support the northern alliance which is nothing but a junta of heartless psychopaths like Dostam who is infamous for "murda ka dance i.e. Dance of the dead body" which comprised of decapitating prisoners and then filling the body with kerosene oil and fire it. Now there is no such atrocities attributed to Talibans and I'm not saying they were right and we can support all their actions but at least the followed some principles and let everybody know them in advance. However they had brough much needed peace and single rule and policy for at least 95% of Afghanistan; a feat after two decades of civil war. As a consequence, the economy of Afghanistan started to get better and people began to live a normal life. Whatever brand of Islam they were practicing, the Afghan people supported them and the outside world has no right to dictate the Afghans what system they need to adopt within the boundaries of their country. The then govt of Pakistan; basically Gen. Musharraf under intimidation by US, changed its stance overnight and when joined the US in a war that based fought on totally fabricated excuses.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You should be ashamed of supporting invasions of Afghanistan especially soviet invasion which destroyed many families and created a humanitarian disaster who the hell are you to bark about shame

I never supported the Soviet invasion, and condemned it wherever I could. How could you think that I supported it, fool?
And I am the black dog of your conscience, barking at all your evil deeds. If you are not ashamed of them now, while you live, you will be reminded when you face your maker.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I always wonder at the shameless rationale of the people declaring Talibans terrorists, barbaric, cruel and what not but the same people advocate the actions by USA and NATO in Afghanistan that killed far more people and totally indiscriminately through carpet bombing and MOABs... and they shamelessly support the northern alliance which is nothing but a junta of heartless psychopaths like Dostam who is infamous for "murda ka dance i.e. Dance of the dead body" which comprised of decapitating prisoners and then filling the body with kerosene oil and fire it. Now there is no such atrocities attributed to Talibans and I'm not saying they were right and we can support all their actions but at least the followed some principles and let everybody know them in advance. However they had brough much needed peace and single rule and policy for at least 95% of Afghanistan; a feat after two decades of civil war. As a consequence, the economy of Afghanistan started to get better and people began to live a normal life. Whatever brand of Islam they were practicing, the Afghan people supported them and the outside world has no right to dictate the Afghans what system they need to adopt within the boundaries of their country. The then govt of Pakistan; basically Gen. Musharraf under intimidation by US, changed its stance overnight and when joined the US in a war that based fought on totally fabricated excuses.

That is not a balanced opinion, from my point of view. Afghanistan was a liberal, peaceful and aspiring to modernisation country before the Soviets attacked it and destroyed their fledgling efforts. Pakistan intervened against the Soviets; in that context, your remark, " Whatever brand of Islam they were practicing, the Afghan people supported them and the outside world has no right to dictate the Afghans what system they need to adopt within the boundaries of their country", reads ironically. I presume Pakistan was not a privileged player to have set their stamp on Afghan society, or to have imposed a radical Islamic social character upon it.

I presume that you know the barbarism that Haqqani perpetrated on Kabul. It is strange that Pakistan remembers the beast Dostum, but conveniently slides over the beast Haqqani, and others like him, who ravaged the country with the active support of Pakistani institutions. The normal life that people began to live under the Taliban was normal compared to the hell created by these puppets; who will take the responsibility for manipulating them?

You will notice that India was not involved in breeding this violence or in feeding it. For your reference, India was a country very close to the old Afghanistan, and there was continued and sustained ill-feeling between Pakistan and Afghanistan even before the Soviet invasion. It was a twist in history that due to their support of the mujahedin, Pakistan acquired a kind of transient stake in Afghanistan. Pakistanis poured across the relatively porous border and attacked Afghan clients of the Soviets and the Soviets themselves. This is one snake that has returned to bite its fosterparent.

The loss of this stake, or rather, its relatively rapid erosion, has led to a great deal of heart-burn in Pakistan, and a number of downright vicious calls for the destruction of Afghanistan, or, at best, its severe and deep-rooted punishment. When you talk about support for this, that and the other, India had no role to play in the violence, and to accuse India and Indians of shameful deeds in this connection is fatuous. On the other hand, your own state was responsible for such a lot of violence, first, in overthrowing the Soviets, second, in replacing them, third, in fighting those who defeated the attempted replacement. It is not for nothing that the Afghan government still condemns Pakistan for constant interference in its affairs, and for choosing to try and set the nature of the political settlement that is being sought by all parties.

Now look at what India did throughout this period, and especially at the end. If you find anything objectionable, if you have read anything objectionable, do say so. Compare it with your own country's record, and tell me honestly if you continue to hold the opinion that you displayed in your last post.

 

[war&peace]

That is not a balanced opinion, from my point of view. Afghanistan was a liberal, peaceful and aspiring to modernisation country before the Soviets attacked it and destroyed their fledgling efforts. Pakistan intervened against the Soviets; in that context, your remark, " Whatever brand of Islam they were practicing, the Afghan people supported them and the outside world has no right to dictate the Afghans what system they need to adopt within the boundaries of their country", reads ironically. I presume Pakistan was not a privileged player to have set their stamp on Afghan society, or to have imposed a radical Islamic social character upon it.

This is the pragmatic approach based on ground realities whether anyone likes it or not. The character of nations changes over time. Britain was once a colonial power, not anymore. France was a monarchy, not anymore, Iran was the most "liberal" country, not anymore...etc more countries changed over time than otherwise from Japan to USA. So if the people of Afghanistan have changed, don't call it imposed on them. Why did they not change to something else under US occupation for more than a decade....because they did not want right...they are still supporting Talibans whether it gives heart burns to many in South block in new Delhi.

I presume that you know the barbarism that Haqqani perpetrated on Kabul. It is strange that Pakistan remembers the beast Dostum, but conveniently slides over the beast Haqqani, and others like him, who ravaged the country with the active support of Pakistani institutions. The normal life that people began to live under the Taliban was normal compared to the hell created by these puppets; who will take the responsibility for manipulating them?

Since you have decided to ignore the facts...you can call them whatever you like. Of course you forgot about Najeeb who was a puppet of USSR.

You will notice that India was not involved in breeding this violence or in feeding it. For your reference, India was a country very close to the old Afghanistan, and there was continued and sustained ill-feeling between Pakistan and Afghanistan even before the Soviet invasion. It was a twist in history that due to their support of the mujahedin, Pakistan acquired a kind of transient stake in Afghanistan. Pakistanis poured across the relatively porous border and attacked Afghan clients of the Soviets and the Soviets themselves. This is one snake that has returned to bite its fosterparent.

It all depends where you draw the line. If you care to go a bit into history, the same Afghanistan was sending Ahmad Shah Abdali and Mehmood Ghaznavi to India..perhaps on some "goodwill" missions. And coincidently a few of Pakistani missiles have been named after them for honouring the historical role these Afghans played in the geopolitics of the subcontinent but the more friendly India chose to name one of its missile after the name of the Afghan opponent.
And it was not Pakistan but your dear benefactor USSR that attacked and invaded the peaceful and "liberal" Afghanistan and that changed the character of Afghans but in fact they were always the warrior race. The Afghans came running to Pakistan for help and Pakistan alongwith USA and KSA formed the resistance to the occupation forces. And Afghan Talibans never harmed Pakistan whatsoever even after GOP changed its stance and joined USA so your reference snake biting its fosterparent is in fact, empirically and factually wrong. TTP was totally different beast with a different ideology and consisted of mainly terrorists and criminals and they are actually at war wth Afghan Talibans in Afghanistan.

The loss of this stake, or rather, its relatively rapid erosion, has led to a great deal of heart-burn in Pakistan, and a number of downright vicious calls for the destruction of Afghanistan, or, at best, its severe and deep-rooted punishment. When you talk about support for this, that and the other, India had no role to play in the violence, and to accuse India and Indians of shameful deeds in this connection is fatuous. On the other hand, your own state was responsible for such a lot of violence, first, in overthrowing the Soviets, second, in replacing them, third, in fighting those who defeated the attempted replacement. It is not for nothing that the Afghan government still condemns Pakistan for constant interference in its affairs, and for choosing to try and set the nature of the political settlement that is being sought by all parties.

Again a false assumption, Pakistan's stake never eroded and it is still there and fact that for each peace talk, its Pakistan and NOT India that's invited to the table.... I wonder how you missed that. India is in fact involved in terrorism against Pakistan and we have captured Indian rats...so please be honest for a moment... and of course you want me to believe that 5 Indian consulates in the small and war torn country Afghanistan are not doing anything evil....Right?...Sun is dark also...it is just the figment of imagination of Pakistani people that we think it is bright and hot object in the sky.
USSR was an occupant and Pakistan did help Afghanistan on humanitarian basis to regain its indepdendence, a nobel cause by all standards. And you also you forgot to mention the millions of Afghans living in Pakistan for about 4 decades...why not you the great friends of Afghans open your border and we send them to India? Please answer that part.