Is Having Good Relations With India Possible?

[KingMamba]

LIKE WE GIVE $HIT WHAT TINY COUNTRY THINK ABOUT INDIA .

So funny how you proved his point.

Wrong, If Pakistan will try to keep good relation with India, Pakistan will fall into Civil War. The Extremist portion of Army will revolt. The LeT and like organization will burn Islambad.

Pakistan has no option. Rivalry with India is life line for Pakistan.

LeT is irrelevant is they could have burned Islamabad they would have when Pakistan extended India MFN status. Also I am sure there is an extremist part of the army but they are in the tiny minority and ISI always watches out for them.

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan will collapse and die if a normal relation will established btwn Indo-Pak

Pakistan has no option. Rivalry with India is life line for Pakistan.

A myth - the reality is that india has attempted and tried to undermine us from day 1, and the latent racist attitude of the indian babus is proof of that.

 

[Black Widow]

LeT is irrelevant is they could have burned Islamabad they would have when Pakistan extended India MFN status. Also I am sure there is an extremist part of the army but they are in the tiny minority and ISI always watches out for them.

You Just need one bad Apple to rot the Basket. Pakistan is Full with these apple.

Bad ppl in minority cause more danger. Trust me there are more Bad apples in Pakistan than you believe.

 

[harpoon]

If there is peace b/n India & Pakistan how will PA justify their budgets and hold on their power and their position as the guardians of the Islamic Nation.

 

[KingMamba]

You Just need one bad Apple to rot the Basket. Pakistan is Full with these apple.

Bad ppl in minority cause more danger. Trust me there are more Bad apples in Pakistan than you believe.

You give these "bad apples" too much credit. If Pakistan has so many religious zealots why hasn't JI been able to win any seats in the government? They represent the largest Islamic party in Pakistan yet have never been voted into office. It really makes one wonder wouldn't you say?

 

[ashokdeiva]

You give these "bad apples" too much credit. If Pakistan has so many religious zealots why hasn't JI been able to win any seats in the government? They represent the largest Islamic party in Pakistan yet have never been voted into office. It really makes one wonder wouldn't you say?

if PPP and other prominant parties that are voted to office say publically that they are going to forget the difference with INDIA and are going to form a new strategy to form a economic power house with INDIA, then soon you can see the JI's in office.
Don't say that there is no general hatred on both sides in the people level, this are the things the elites are using to rule us

 

[OrionHunter]

Zia's doctrine of 'bleeding India with a thousand cuts' continues unabated. Will the LeT, JeM and myriad other terror groups fighting Pakistan's proxy war in Kashmir be brought to heel? Seems farfetched, as Kayani himself told his American counterpart, that these groups are his 'strategic assets'. That's one of the main sticking points for a detente. Pakistan can't expect resolution of disputes with a gun pointing at India's head.

Then there's the deep psychological impact on the Pakistan Army due to their defeat in the 1971 war for which they want to take revenge. What better way than to fight a proxy war with the help of terror groups to 'bleed India'? But however much the PA may try, bleeding India is impossible. The sooner they realize this the better as we can then move on with peace initiatives.

Can we turn a new page, a new chapter and look ahead to a future of peace? The coming generations will never forgive us for lost opportunities for ushering peace and progress and hold us squarely responsible for a legacy of hate and an uncertain future where millions would continue to live in poverty and ignorance.

 

[jbond197]

It is certainly possible.

But the issue is that in general India likes to lord it over everyone else in the region. As long as you say "aye aye sir" and heap praises on them, and pay tribute to the Delhi mandarins they will be very happy but Pakistan is the only country in the region which does not do so, and that is where the issue lies in my opinion. Given her size, India does not look upon her neighbours as equals, but Pakistan does not accept being anything less than an equal especially when it comes to India. There is no way that Pakistan will kow tow to India the way Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal do. However, theoretically India and Pakistan should be able to have a fantastic relationship especially economically and culturally in my opinion. A peaceful and stable subcontinent would be great for everyone.

Between India and Pakistan one of the major issues is religion apart from land issues which is not the case when it comes to relations of India with Srilanka or Nepal or Bhutan and to certain extent with Bangladesh . India tried it many times to mend relations and start the peace process only to be back-stabbed by incursions in our territories, by attacks on our Parliament, by attacks on our Financial capitals.

Coming to SL - In your case, I think it is India that has gone out of the way enraging its own populace to sort out the issues that it once helped and still we keep hearing some kind of BS from Srilankan leaders every now and then. So tell me how is it like saying "aye aye sir" or looking down upon neighbors or who is kow towing to neighbors? India on the other hand extended billions dollars of loans to neighboring countries to mend its relations.

In the end, no body as you stated expect Pakistan to Kow tow to India . All that is needed is that they mind their own business and let us Indians live in peace, develop and make progress in the region.

Another point to note is - India has much larger area,populace and threats so it needs to spend accordingly on its defences and if some one wanna match us there than its not our folly..

 

[KingMamba]

if PPP and other prominant parties that are voted to office say publically that they are going to forget the difference with INDIA and are going to form a new strategy to form a economic power house with INDIA, then soon you can see the JI's in office.
Don't say that there is no general hatred on both sides in the people level, this are the things the elites are using to rule us

The PPP have stated openly in this election year that better relations is one of their policies, also we had Nawaz Sharif at one point advocating for open borders both times there was little to no reaction from the majority of Pakistanis. There is hatred that is a fact however would you agree with me that the common Indian and Pakistani is more worried about how he/she will feed their children at night then what is going on the other side of the border? If better relations means better living standards I am sure both populaces would be up for it.

 

[Black Widow]

You give these "bad apples" too much credit. If Pakistan has so many religious zealots why hasn't JI been able to win any seats in the government? They represent the largest Islamic party in Pakistan yet have never been voted into office. It really makes one wonder wouldn't you say?

No Bro, You are underestimating them, They are much powerful in Pakistn. It is will known that major part of ISI is full with these kind of ppl. When Pakistan was looking for good relation with India, ISI was hatching Mumbai attack. Like wise there are many organization.

LeJ, LeT, TTP, ISI (A group) etc...

 

[Rafi]

Those who say the Armed Forces would become irrelevant if there was peace, are morons, tiny Scandinavian countries with the highest standard of living in the world, even maintain strong forces, another myth that our forces are against peace.

 

[INDIC]

Those who say the Armed Forces would become irrelevant if there was peace, are morons, tiny Scandinavian countries with the highest standard of living in the world, even maintain strong forces, another myth that our forces are against peace.

Its true Pakistan forces don't want peace with India otherwise it will make civilian government in Pakistan more powerful in Pakistan. And India is surely not going reduce the defence budget because it is because of "China factor" and Pakistan will continue to suffer financial strain to quest to match apple for an apple with India.

 

[KingMamba]

No Bro, You are underestimating them, They are much powerful in Pakistn. It is will known that major part of ISI is full with these kind of ppl. When Pakistan was looking for good relation with India, ISI was hatching Mumbai attack. Like wise there are many organization.

LeJ, LeT, TTP, ISI (A group) etc...

Alright man to each his own.

 

[Shardul.....the lion]

It is definitely possible, only Pakistan the state, and its people have to prevent radicalization of society and destroy terrorist camps attacking India.

Indians have to start looking beyond the terrorist angle and deal with civilian govt in Pakistan and somehow help civilian govt stronger and powerful institution than Pak army.

 

[timetravel]

agree to convert all boundaries as of now in present status into international border

stop any kind of terrorism support

start to teach in schools that India and Pakistan have a glorious past and the people fought together for independence. Eliminate text which preaches hatred from schools textbooks.

Stop preaching religions values but teach human values. Give equal rights to the minorities in Pakistan and make it conform with Jinnah's vision of a secular country. (change the status from Islamic country to Secular country and undo the harmful changes brought about in Pakistan constitution). The reason is once Pakistan is able to accept its on minorities as a secular country then the ideological differences that it has with a secular India will have no place in Pakistan society.

and India,Pakistan can be best of pals.

another thing is till this hatred is removed from heart and there is a genuine desire for good brotherly relations it will not be possible to improve. I mean it is clear like watching ur face in a mirror if a country tries to improve relations outwardly but deep within it still hates and tries to undermine you. I mean you just cant hide that. There is no way to hide it. Either such a heart change for good relations or I am am confident that the relations sadly will remain like what it is or might improve little and keep on blowing hot and cold but can never be like very good or very friendly.

If you wish otherwise that the relations could be brotherly and still the two countries intelligence agencies could work to undermine each other then you are delusional. Make ur pick. It is like head or tails. You cant have both!