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Is General Zia responsible for whats happening Pakistan today ?

No- the responsibility does not come on single person-

Zia was responsible for Itemization- there were lot of others in power who could have restored the old resolution- But they did not- SO all are equally responsible- more so i blame the rest more than Gen Zia-
 
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No doubt Gen Zia is responsible for most of the worst going on here.Before 1978 there were perfect relationship between Pak and Afghanistan.Afghanistan was not a friend of Pakistan.They made huredles in our way e.g they opposed our UN membership,supported baloch insurgents,gave rise to Paktoonistan issue,gave space to our enemies,arose border issues etc but we responded them accordingly.
Zia neglected all the past just for extending his rule with the help of USA.He entred the afghans which led to AK-47 culture and crimes and drugs.
He redicalized our moderate society.

What do you imagine Pakistan would be today?- if we had Soviets in Afghanistan on west border and Soviet puppet India in the eastern side?- Do you think the Soviets would have stopped in Afghanistan?-
 
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musharraf made the way it is today, and i can guarentee you musharraf aint any islamist

well a generation grew up under zia that is currently leading this nation and there ideology was set by ZIA! please look back at pakistan in the 50s,60,70s we were a tolerant nation and a united nation!

he set an ethnic divide a provincial divide along with islamic divide! he swore on the quran to remove marshal law within 90 days but he turned back from his word!

he is the ROOT cause of all problems in pakistan today! he made our society intolerent! musharraf well he pissed of the mullas and gave the "roshan khayal" more azaadi.....

except AYUB KHAN all dictators have messed up pakistan!
 
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well a generation grew up under zia that is currently leading this nation and there ideology was set by ZIA! please look back at pakistan in the 50s,60,70s we were a tolerant nation and a united nation!

Actually we dont have to look too far- we were considered as a tolerant- reinforced in 1999 a united- and progressing nation till 11 sept 2001-
 
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i dont agree with jon asad i dont know how long has he studied history but i do know that volcano can not erupt in a day or 2 no sir it cant cant it takes years perhaps millanium for the volcano to erupt after the first pressure in the rock fissures similarly it took 150 years for the mughal empire to go down the drain after the seeds of descent was bowed down by none other then Aurangzeb there was never a tolerant society to begin with take a look at the hisbah bill passed in Peshawar parliament what do u think it was take a look on shia sunni killing where was it a tolerant society .even in those days it was on the rise but now it has risen with its full peek .
 
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Response It was Gen Ziaul Haq who had started making the Pakistan Army a true Islamic Jehadi Force when he assumed the office of the Army Chief in 1976. This concept was developed further when he became Chief Martial Law Administrator and the President of Pakistan after military coup of July 1977. Mosques were already there in all the field and staff units of army but got re-built, expanded and decorated with special grants of budget under his directions. The Commanding officers, even of the
highest ranks of Generals, started offering prayers in the front lawns of their offices extending invitations to all around including their security and communication staff. Special supply orders were placed for lotay, caps, chappals, mats, tasbeehs and the holy Quraans for all mosques of army units everywhere. In the same Ziaul Haq era, all unit Imams were given free summer and winter uniforms comprising of white Qameez-Shalwars, Peshawari Chappals, black jackets, black Sherwani and Jinnah Caps. They were made part of a new army unit of Khateebs starting from the basic rank of Naib Khateeb with an equivalent rank of Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO). They were promoted to higher ranks at par with other army ranks as Khateebs and
Khateeb e Aala etc. Orders were conveyed to convene regular competitions for Qirat and Na’at Khawni at all levels. At all formation headquarters a regular post of ‘GSO grade II’ was sanctioned with necessary staff and budget to handle those religious affairs. They had to be ‘having beard’ and expert in delivering sentimental Islamic sermons. Likewise, at Corp Headquarters there was given a sanctioned post of ‘GSO grade I’ and those General Staff Officers were to be in army uniforms like other army ranks. In GHQ Rawalpindi a new Directorate of Religious Affairs was established under control of an officer with brigadier rank. This Directorate still convenes annual competitions of Qirat and Na’at Khawni at the highest level, gives
away prizes and trophies to the top winners. Free hajj for selected officers and jawans every year is also arranged, funded and controlled by the same directorate. . Gen Ziaul Haq brought the Islamic traditions in, generally guided by JI which created an opponent class within ranks based on sectarian beliefs. On the other side an altogether new group emerged in the army declaring themselves the flag bearers of Islamic Jihad. This phenomenon gave birth to another wave of pan-Islamic ideology meaning thereby that Pakistan Army would look after the whole Islamic world at the cost of its own borders and nationalism. Thus the professionalism moved away from ranks and ‘Islamization’ filled the vacuum till Pakistanis entered the Afghan War, the most controversial move in the history of Pakistan army, in 1980s. Gen Ziaul Haq had started that war but still we are suffering it.
 
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We can undo Zia's influence, but you've voted his son as Minister of Religious Affairs into power, just to start things off. This means, no one cares about anything, and we might as well just suck out the last few bits of this nation and throw it to the IMF and let the poor pay off our debts.
 
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He is one of the reason why Pakistan is Pakistan and not Soviet Socialist Republic of Pakistan.
 
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according to liberals: hell ya

according to others: hell no

according to me: musharraf, the bastard must be hanged to his death
 
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according to liberals: hell ya

according to others: hell no

according to me: musharraf, the bastard must be hanged to his death

For what crime would you hang Musharraf? Lal Masjid was a roach house. Did you see those angry ninja's kidnapping people and calling them prostitutes? Taking police because they want to establish their own writ? Musharraf must be hailed for uncovering this roach infestation. The fact that he has to hide from his own people says a lot about our dumbazz ways.
 
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well a generation grew up under zia that is currently leading this nation and there ideology was set by ZIA! please look back at pakistan in the 50s,60,70s we were a tolerant nation and a united nation!

he set an ethnic divide a provincial divide along with islamic divide! he swore on the quran to remove marshal law within 90 days but he turned back from his word!

he is the ROOT cause of all problems in pakistan today! he made our society intolerent! musharraf well he pissed of the mullas and gave the "roshan khayal" more azaadi.....

except AYUB KHAN all dictators have messed up pakistan!

zia brought out the feeling of majority of pakistan, pakistanis were always conservative, it was the ruling elite that had supressed majority and still is

you are saying as if before zia, pakistan represented the majority?? is pakistan now??
 
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For what crime would you hang Musharraf? Lal Masjid was a roach house. Did you see those angry ninja's kidnapping people and calling them prostitutes? Taking police because they want to establish their own writ? Musharraf must be hailed for uncovering this roach infestation. The fact that he has to hide from his own people says a lot about our dumbazz ways.

brining war and distruction to pakistan and for lieing, he later said it was not him willingingly but american threat of sending pak into oblivion that started this dirty mess or war
 
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Sorry, let me rephrase my previous post:

He and his Islamist policies are some of the reasons why Pakistan is Pakistan and not Soviet Socialist Republic of Pakistan.

From 1990-2001, Pakistan was peaceful, despite his "Islamisation" of Pakistan.

After that, Pakistan got infected with CIA virus and became a loyal American puppet due to Musharraf. And now look what has happened!

^ Should sum it up.
 
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brining war and distruction to pakistan and for lieing, he later said it was not him willingingly but american threat of sending pak into oblivion that started this dirty mess or war

He saved us from destruction and you want him hanged for lying? Dude, Pakistan was about to take huge heat for the actions of these roaches. That's injustice. Now we get to watch a few drones throw rockets at Taliban instead of watch B1 and B2 destroy Islamabad.
 
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