IS destroy ancient artifacts in Iraq

[Abii]

Most of them are replicas, so calm down.

The most important one, the big winged lion one, was real.

Shame on them for destroying superior Arab artifacts and not Hindu Idols to start off Ghazwa Al Hind -2.0

They're not Arab artifacts. They're Babylonian. Arabs have no relationship with Babylonians either (not in language, culture or history). This was a loss for the native people of Iraq and also Iranians (Persians pretty much absorbed Babylonian culture in 500 BC and a great deal of what we are is essentially Babylonian and Assyrian borrowed). All our artifacts, for example, look almost identical to Babylonian statues and figures. Religion wise as well. Zoroastrianism borrowed a great deal from Babylonians and Assyrians.

 

[Malik Alashter]

The most important one, the big winged lion one, was real.


They're not Arab artifacts. They're Babylonian. Arabs have no relationship with Babylonians either (not in language, culture or history). This was a loss for the native people of Iraq and also Iranians (Persians pretty much absorbed Babylonian culture in 500 BC and a great deal of what we are is essentially Babylonian and Assyrian borrowed). All our artifacts, for example, look almost identical to Babylonian statues and figures. Religion wise as well. Zoroastrianism borrowed a great deal from Babylonians and Assyrians.

Do you mean we Arab made you leave Iraq or it just cultural influences on Persians?.

 

[janon]

But my question was how much muslims are responsible for the degradation of Islam? And who degraded it are according to you Muslims? Because you said, it's the deed and ideas which are bad not the person.

No, that's not what I said. I just said that I don't find it useful to classify people as good or bad. If a person does something good, and something bad on the same day, is he a good person or bad person? "Good", "bad", "moral", immoral" etc are attributes we give to human actions.

I suppose you could define a good person as somebody who always does good actions, and a bad person as somebody who always does bad. But there are no such people. Or maybe you could say that somebody who does more good than bad is a good fellow, and so on. But as I said, I prefer to classify the action itself as good or bad.

An idea, if it advocates bad actions, is a bad idea. The idea (or belief) that religious artifacts of other religions should be destroyed (like the Taliban did to the priceless Gandhara statues) is a bad idea. The idea that you may enslave people (which the bible clearly endorses, and islamic texts do to a much lesser extent) is also a bad idea. So that is what I was pointing out to @That Guy, that there is such a thing as good ideas and bad ideas. People who believe bad ideas do bad actions.

 

[Abii]

Do you mean we Arab made you leave Iraq or it just cultural influences on Persians?.

When Persian and Median (Kurdish) tribes united and formed the first Persian empire under Cyrus' rule (Achaemenid Dynasty), the first foreign territory they captured was Mesopotamia. That was also the end of Mesopotamia as the culture became absorbed into Persian culture in the following 1000 years or so of Iranian rule.
Battle of Opis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Babylonians were to Iranians as the Greeks were to the Romans. Both the Romans and ancient Iranians absorbed another culture and expanded on it. In the case of Iran and the Babylonians, the Babylonians and Assyrian cultures pretty much got replaced completely. Today, a lot of Assyrians hate Persians for what happened back then and they blame us for their demise, and they are partly right. We were the cause of Mesopotamia's downfall and the subsequent end of Babylonian culture. However, we did absorb a lot from them, and I mean a lot.

Take Ahura Mazda, the chief deity of the Zoroastrian religion and a symbol for Iran and Iranians (most Iranian wear a pendant of Ahura Mazda around their necks, including muslims, and they're sold in every jeweler shop around Iran).

Now this is Assur of Assyria

Perspolis, the capital of Persian culture and identity:

See the resemblance? Basically we took a lot from the Babylonians and made it our own. In every aspect of life they were a great inspiration to Iranian people.

 

[Screambowl]

No, that's not what I said. I just said that I don't find it useful to classify people as good or bad. If a person does something good, and something bad on the same day, is he a good person or bad person? "Good", "bad", "moral", immoral" etc are attributes we give to human actions.

I suppose you could define a good person as somebody who always does good actions, and a bad person as somebody who always does bad. But there are no such people. Or maybe you could say that somebody who does more good than bad is a good fellow, and so on. But as I said, I prefer to classify the action itself as good or bad.

An idea, if it advocates bad actions, is a bad idea. The idea (or belief) that religious artifacts of other religions should be destroyed (like the Taliban did to the priceless Gandhara statues) is a bad idea. The idea that you may enslave people (which the bible clearly endorses, and islamic texts do to a much lesser extent) is also a bad idea. So that is what I was pointing out to @That Guy, that there is such a thing as good ideas and bad ideas. People who believe bad ideas do bad actions.

We have IPC and constitution of India they need to be obeyed that's the normal rule. Defined under duties of citizen of India. If some one does not abide by these rules, the constitution supported by citizens will punish and it becomes our responsibility to either correct him or fine, we cannot say he/she is not belonging us, we don't leave the trial and justice to some one else.

But If a country adopts set of rules inspired by religious laws. And then if an idea arise which is resulting into intolerance towards other religions. How much responsible are the religious laws? And what is the relation to intolerant group with the religion?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

When Persian and Median (Kurdish) tribes united and formed the first Persian empire under Cyrus' rule (Achaemenid Dynasty), the first foreign territory they captured was Mesopotamia. That was also the end of Mesopotamia as the culture became absorbed into Persian culture in the following 1000 years or so of Iranian rule.
Battle of Opis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Babylonians were to Iranians as the Greeks were to the Romans. Both the Romans and ancient Iranians absorbed another culture and expanded on it. In the case of Iran and the Babylonians, the Babylonians and Assyrian cultures pretty much got replaced completely. Today, a lot of Assyrians hate Persians for what happened back then and they blame us for their demise, and they are partly right. We were the cause of Mesopotamia's downfall and the subsequent end of Babylonian culture. However, we did absorb a lot from them, and I mean a lot.

Take Ahura Mazda, the chief deity of the Zoroastrian religion and a symbol for Iran and Iranians (most Iranian wear a pendant of Ahura Mazda around their necks, including muslims, and they're sold in every jeweler shop around Iran).

Now this is Assur of Assyria

Perspolis, the capital of Persian culture and identity:

See the resemblance? Basically we took a lot from the Babylonians and made it our own. In every aspect of life they were a great inspiration to Iranian people.

Yeah, Persians took a lot Mesopotamian styles. Script, architecture, clothing, etc. Naturally because Mesopotamians were a symbol of high culture. Ironically, it was probably the Persians that spread Mesopotamian styles the farthest. Sad that after the Greeks invaded, ancient Mesopotamian styles began to fade out.

 

[Screambowl]

Yeah, Persians took a lot Mesopotamian styles. Script, architecture, clothing, etc. Naturally because Mesopotamians were a symbol of high culture. Ironically, it was probably the Persians that spread Mesopotamian styles the farthest. Sad that after the Greeks invaded, ancient Mesopotamian styles began to faded out.

and some people mix it with religion and call it Islamic structure .. God help them

 

[Vassnti]

Most of them are replicas, so calm down.

"Analysts say the artefacts are unique and priceless although the museum does also house copies of some items.
Ihsan Fethi, an Iraqi professor of architecture based in Amman, Jordan, told Agence France-Presse the destruction was "a terrible loss and an unbelievable act of cultural terrorism".

BBC News - Islamic State 'destroys ancient Iraq statues in Mosul'

Though thier greed does give hope that some pieces survived.

"They are also believed to have sold ancient artifacts on the black market in order to finance their bloody campaign across the region."

New ISIS Video Shows Militants Smashing Ancient Iraq Artifacts