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Is China the World’s New Colonial Power?

You hope for a war with Vietnam? The likelyhood that to happen is close to zero. Unless there is a civil war broke out in Vietnam. The economy is in chaos. The khmers in Cambodia run amok and attack us. Thailand stages invasion in Laos, forcing us to intervene. You are infamous as weakling and coward, used to take opportunity attacking Vietnam when we face multiple threats inside and outside.

Your wish may come true with war with Russia. The Russians took large parts of China at last time. They may take the rest by next time.
What you are infamous of on PDF,Mr Viet?A best wish Santa Claus such as:
Viet's Mig 21's anti-ship missile?-
"Vietnam still have several Mig-21 squadrons stored as reserves in underground bunkers. Armed by antiship missiles the Mig-21 can play the role of a naval fighter, posing serious threat to enemy surface ships."
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Copying the design of US gifted Hamilton class into Vietnam's frigate and destroyer-
"More interesting is if we can copy the ship design, improve with stealth, speed and survivability and convert it to a frigate or destroyer. once done, we can install missiles, CIWS and other lethal means, including Vietnam made weapons. I think 2 squadrons frigate/destroyer a 6 pieces each would be suffient for our needs to confront our biggest threat at sea right now: the Chinese surface fleets."
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Mr Viet has also made a calculation on how much ships that China need to defeat Vietnam in a naval warfare in 2027.
"It is not impossible but close to it. Ok unless the Chinese spend in the next 10 years additional $1 trillion plus to the current military budget to build up 20 aircraft carriers with accompanying destroyers and cruisers, because that would come close to the amount of US naval fleets deployed during Vietnam war."
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The list goes on forever,such a wonder.
 
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You're missing the point. It's the intentional disagreement over history as to what happened that makes it impossible to resolve the historical issue. Even if Japanese recognize and apologize for all the brutality they did during the war including the chemical and bio weapons, all the slaughtering, the CPP will still say "not good enough, that ultra-rightist denies it fully so they still deny history". It's no use. Japan is a country of freedom of speech. There will always be a tiny percent that outright denies Nanking or other atrocities. But should not force people to believe something. So it is not fair for CPP to point the finger at the few ultra-nationalists and smear the whole country. Chinese people probably don't understand this because they probably expect the government to force a belief about the war. And yet, even if the Japanese government was to issue more detailed and specific information in accordance to what really happened, it will include a portion saying that about 50,000 were massacred. To such statements, then the CPP announces that the Japanese are white washers and thus never accept statements of apology. It can't be resolved because the CPP won't forgive and continues to use the history as a political tool. If the CPP would recognize an estimate that 20,000-100,000 were slaughtered at Nanking, then the historical issue can be resolved. But they intentional keep disagreement on history alive to use it as a political tool. So it doesn't matter if Japanese include all the other horrible things of war that they did. CPP never accepts apology and never puts the issue at rest.

And even at that, the Japanese ought to still be able to visit the Yasukuni Shrine for their war dead without always being criticized. Every time Japanese politicians visit the shrine, CCP says that Japan fails to recognize the wrongs that it did. That's separate. Yasukuni Shrine is for Japan's war dead and enemy or not to the Chinese, they still ought to have a place for remembrance as they fought for Japan in the age when the Europeans were colonizing everyone else. Should the Japanese have been a loser instead like all the others in Asia or in Africa and be colonize. They did not create that era of imperialism. It came upon them, so they competed for survival, so visiting Japanese war dead should not be criticized. But CCP combined the visits with Japan's so-called "white washing".

Never trust the CCP.
You are very cunning that avoid the opinion of Korean people and the reality that the number of 300000 victims is not counted by CCP.
Stop this propaganda BS.

In addition, lots of Chinese youths know there were too many massacres happened in China besides Nanjing, thougth China government don't propose other issues onto table .


It appears that what Japan care about is whether the apology is useful not sincere. What a truth you have said!
Since you have said the truth, I am gonna to tell you Chinese people would never forgive Japan no matter how CCP government propagada, if Japan still have not confessed 按and self-reflected these criminals sincerely.

You could see the survey about Chinese opinions of other nations, most of Chinese plain people have good expresssion about US people , even US government is a bad boy in China media , but for Japanese, I am afraid it is the only race which could make all Chinese greatly rageful.

When it comes to Yasukuni Shrinem, you are cunning again.
The Chinese ,Korean and other Asian people opposed these war criminals in Yasukuni Shrinem.
Why don't you glorify these most notorious war criminals like Hideki Tojo ?
Could you believe what the European people would react if the German politicians worship Hitler ?

Pls don't try to confuse others by selective information .

Chinese know much more about Japan and Japanese than you can image.
 
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The fear of China in Japan is a
You are very cunning that avoid the opinion of Korean people and the reality that the number of 300000 victims is not counted by CCP.
Stop this propaganda BS.

In addition, lots of Chinese youths know there were too many massacres happened in China besides Nanjing, thougth China government don't propose other issues onto table .


It appears that what Japan care about is whether the apology is useful not sincere. What a truth you have said!
Since you have said the truth, I am gonna to tell you Chinese people would never forgive Japan no matter how CCP government propagada, if Japan still have not confessed 按and self-reflected these criminals sincerely.

You could see the survey about Chinese opinions of other nations, most of Chinese plain people have good expresssion about US people , even US government is a bad boy in China media , but for Japanese, I am afraid it is the only race which could make all Chinese greatly rageful.

When it comes to Yasukuni Shrinem, you are cunning again.
The Chinese ,Korean and other Asian people opposed these war criminals in Yasukuni Shrinem.
Why don't you glorify these most notorious war criminals like Hideki Tojo ?
Could you believe what the European people would react if the German politicians worship Hitler ?

Pls don't try to confuse others by selective information .

Chinese know much more about Japan and Japanese than you can image.

I have no reason to ignore the opinions regarding South Korea as I can speak at length about it to.

Bottom line is that if not CCP as you but natural opinion of Chinese, is that Japan should be put under perpetual condemnation about the war and should never pay respect to their war dead for the rest of world history.

No more sense talking any more to such unforgiving irrational thinking of hate.
 
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I have no reason to ignore the opinions regarding South Korea as I can speak at length about it to.

Bottom line is that if not CCP as you but natural opinion of Chinese, is that Japan should be put under perpetual condemnation about the war and should never pay respect to their war dead for the rest of world history.

No more sense talking any more to such unforgiving irrational thinking of hate.

You speaking nonsense very seriously give me a good laugh.
China is the winner of WWII, we have natural rights of winner benefits. Japan only accept U.S and partially accept Russia as winner. Japanese insist the winner group don't include China, this attitude is not allowed by Chinese.
 
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You must be a old bumkim. You speaking nonsense very seriously give me a good laugh.
China is the winner of WWII, we have natural rights of winner benefits. Japan only accept U.S and partially accept Russia as winner. Japanese insist the winner group don't include China, this attitude is not allowed by Chinese.

The Nationalist Chinese were the winners, not the Mao-led communists. CCP China today cannot claim the suffering and fighting that Chiang Kai-shek's forces went through against the Imperial Japanese because during the Chinese Civil War, the communists Chinese fought against the Nationalists, and when the communists won, then conducted massacre and reeducation of all Chinese people that were against the CCP, wiping clean away all the Chinese that fought against Japan under the Nationalist Chinese Banner. The communists did about just 5-10% of all the fighting against Japan in mainland China. And then if you factor in the US, the communists in the end contributed almost nil in the efforts that overthrew Imperial Japan.
 
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The Nationalist Chinese were the winners, not the Mao-led communists. CCP China today cannot claim the suffering and fighting that Chiang Kai-shek's forces went through against the Imperial Japanese because during the Chinese Civil War, the communists Chinese fought against the Nationalists, and when the communists won, then conducted massacre and reeducation of all Chinese people that were against the CCP, wiping clean away all the Chinese that fought against Japan under the Nationalist Chinese Banner. The communists did about just 5-10% of all the fighting against Japan in mainland China. And then if you factor in the US, the communists in the end contributed almost nil in the efforts that overthrew Imperial Japan.

Now it is the Mao-led communist China who ask Japan to accept China as winner position. You can continue to only accept U.S. or Russia as winner, but won't forget China once give you choices.
 
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Now it is the Mao-led communist China who ask Japan to accept China as winner position. You can continue to only accept U.S. or Russia as winner, but won't forget China once give you choices.

CCP was no ally of the US during WW2. Rather incidentally, the US fought against the communists in Korea during the Korean War. And while kept under wraps, even some Japanese fought on the side of the US. Some Japanese worked under US office staff workers, former Imperial Japanese naval personnel did minesweeping, and some drove some of the landing craft. About 70 Japanese died in the Korean War. If there was one thing that former Imperial Japan and the US had in common, it was their shared opposition to communism.

Well anyway, the communists were a third party tiny, no-ally to the US, participant in the war. That's just the history. It was unfortunate and a tragedy to China that the communists won popularity after WW2 and won the civil war.
 
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CCP was no ally of the US during WW2. Rather incidentally, the US fought against the communists in Korea during the Korean War. And while kept under wraps, even some Japanese fought on the side of the US. Some Japanese worked under US office staff workers, former Imperial Japanese naval personnel did minesweeping, and some drove some of the landing craft. About 70 Japanese died in the Korean War. If there was one thing that former Imperial Japan and the US had in common, it was their shared opposition to communism.

Well anyway, the communists were a third party tiny, no-ally to the US, participant in the war. That's just the history. It was unfortunate and a tragedy to China that the communists won popularity after WW2 and won the civil war.



Well I'm ready to call it quits on the forum again if it makes you happy.

CCP was or not ally of U.S during WWII is not important. Now CCP ask Japan accept China as winner of WWII. Accept it or insist on fighting against China? You can feel China is becoming more and more strong. Before hard power, all your ideological excues are nonsense, you must understand it. If Japan had this hard power, it would say it was Roosevelt U.S won Japan, not Trump U.S; it's USSR not Russia, but we know it won't happen in near future. I notify you, China is getting this ability to stop Japan play similar game / excues.
 
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I have no reason to ignore the opinions regarding South Korea as I can speak at length about it to.

Bottom line is that if not CCP as you but natural opinion of Chinese, is that Japan should be put under perpetual condemnation about the war and should never pay respect to their war dead for the rest of world history.

No more sense talking any more to such unforgiving irrational thinking of hate.
The fact is Japan never sincerely confessed and self-regrate for what he has done ,which is the common opinion of all the Asian nations invaded by Japan, not just PRC.
So stop the CCP propaganda BS.
If CCP has not suppressed the nationalism of Chinese, i am afraid Japanese would be attacked by Chinese long time ago.

No matter who represents China government ,CCP or KMT, Chinese people would never forgive what Japan has done utill it really confesses.


And you still do not explain why the war criminals are worshiped in Yasukuni Shrinem .

CCP was no ally of the US during WW2. Rather incidentally, the US fought against the communists in Korea during the Korean War. And while kept under wraps, even some Japanese fought on the side of the US. Some Japanese worked under US office staff workers, former Imperial Japanese naval personnel did minesweeping, and some drove some of the landing craft. About 70 Japanese died in the Korean War. If there was one thing that former Imperial Japan and the US had in common, it was their shared opposition to communism.

Well anyway, the communists were a third party tiny, no-ally to the US, participant in the war. That's just the history. It was unfortunate and a tragedy to China that the communists won popularity after WW2 and won the civil war.
Do not try to confuse people by mixing the concepts of party and nation and race.
The victims of Japan's criminals is Chinese people not some party KMT or CCP.
No matter who is in charge of China, Chinese people are the same .
 
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Every weekday before dawn, a morning migration takes place near the desert on Africa’s southwestern coast. At 5:30 in the Namibian enclave Swakopmund, whose century-old buildings still bear the imprint of German colonization, solitary men in khaki uniforms emerge from houses and apartment complexes, the white reflective strips on their pants flashing as they walk briskly through the darkness. They are not African but Chinese. No one else is stirring in the Atlantic Coast town as the men converge on a tidy house on Libertina Amathila Avenue, the only one in the neighborhood with its lights ablaze.

Dylan Teng, a boyish 29-year-old engineer with a brush cut and wire-rimmed glasses, is among the last to arrive. Just as he has done nearly every day since landing in Namibia three and a half years ago, Teng joins the others in wolfing down a breakfast of steamed buns and rice porridge. He picks up a packed lunch prepared by a company chef and at precisely 6 o’clock, with stars still glimmering overhead, he boards a bus emblazoned with the letters C.G.N. — China General Nuclear, a state-owned behemoth that owns the biggest Chinese project in all of Africa.

An hour later, as the sun clears the horizon, the bus winds through a craggy moonscape and descends to the Husab Uranium Mine, a $4.6 billion investment that is the second-largest uranium mine in the world. Teng has made this trip nearly a thousand times, but Husab always seems like a mirage: a virtual city stretching seven miles across the desert floor, from two vast open pits being gouged out of the rocky substratum to a processing plant that, on the last working day of 2016, produced its first drums of U₃O₈, the yellowcake that can be used to generate nuclear power (and also to make weapons). “We had a big ceremony that day,” Teng says...

...in little more than 1,000 days, China’s reach has spread far beyond the uranium mine.

Just north of Swakopmund, a Chinese telemetry station sprouts from the desert floor, its radar dishes pointing skyward to track satellites and space missions. Twenty-five miles south, in Walvis Bay, a state-owned Chinese company is building an artificial peninsula the size of 40 baseball fields as part of a vast port expansion. Other Chinese projects nearby include new highways, a shopping mall, a granite factory and a $400 million fuel depot. Chinese trade flows through the port: shipping containers filled with cement, clothing and machinery coming in; tiles, minerals and — in some cases — illegal timber and endangered wildlife heading out to China. The activity is so frenzied that rumors of a proposed naval base in Walvis Bay, though vehemently denied by Chinese officials, do not strike locals as implausible...

...The workers and migrants carrying out China’s global vision are now so ubiquitous in Africa — as many as a million of them, according to one estimate — that when my wife and I wandered into a Hunanese restaurant in Addis, the red-faced workers devouring twice-cooked pork blurted out: “Ah, laowai laile!” “Foreigners have come!” It seemed rude to point out that they were foreigners, too...

...China provides no-strings financing that, unlike Western aid, is not conditional on such fine points as human rights, clean governance or fiscal restraint. “We welcomed China very much because, for the first time, it gave us a real alternative to a Western-driven agenda, whether it was South Africa or the Western world,” Calle Schlettwein, Namibia’s minister of finance, told me. “The Chinese say, ‘We want you to be masters of your own destiny, so tell us what you want.’ ” But they have their conditions, too, he says. “They want de facto total control over everything, so it’s difficult to bring about a situation that is truly beneficial.”

...The infrastructure is welcome, but as projects made possible by loans — financed by the Chinese — they have saddled the economy with debt and done little to alleviate the nearly 30 percent unemployment rate. Over the last few months, moreover, a series of scandals involving Chinese nationals — including tax evasion, money-laundering and poaching endangered wildlife — has soured locals on a foreign presence that can seem largely extractive: pulling uranium, timber, rhino horns and profits out the country without benefiting a population that, because of apartheid’s legacy, ranks among the most unequal economically in the world. In January, a Windhoek newspaper captured the rising sentiment with an illustration on its front page of a golden dragon devouring the Namibian flag. The headline: “Feeding Namibia to the Chinese.”

...Is China the savior for developing nations, the only world power investing in their future — or is this the dawn of a new colonial era?...

...Schlettwein, the finance minister, told me, “I don’t think those are real investments, but opportunities latched onto by Chinese enterprises without really adding value to the Namibian economy.”..

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Building new storage facility at Walvis Bay

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The Chairman Mao Zedong High School, donated and built by China, in Otjomuise

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A Chinese telemetry station for tracking satellites and space missions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/magazine/is-china-the-worlds-new-colonial-power.html?_r=0
Solomon strikes again. Posting garbage article about China and has wishful thinking Israel and American are the best partner for Pakistan to progress. While China is a evil country that try to destroy Pakistan. American and Jews are savior. What a joke! :enjoy:
 
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I have no reason to ignore the opinions regarding South Korea as I can speak at length about it to.
Bottom line is that if not CCP as you but natural opinion of Chinese, is that Japan should be put under perpetual condemnation about the war and should never pay respect to their war dead for the rest of world history.
No more sense talking any more to such unforgiving irrational thinking of hate.
Very disingenuous of you. War victims are willing to forgive.
The problem is the that the war criminals continue to be publicly worshiped. Those war criminals should be removed from Yasukuni Shrine and paid respect by like minded criminals privately elsewhere.
 
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The fact is Japan never sincerely confessed and self-regrate for what he has done ,which is the common opinion of all the Asian nations invaded by Japan, not just PRC.
So stop the CCP propaganda BS.
If CCP has not suppressed the nationalism of Chinese, i am afraid Japanese would be attacked by Chinese long time ago.

No matter who represents China government ,CCP or KMT, Chinese people would never forgive what Japan has done utill it really confesses.


And you still do not explain why the war criminals are worshiped in Yasukuni Shrinem .


Do not try to confuse people by mixing the concepts of party and nation and race.
The victims of Japan's criminals is Chinese people not some party KMT or CCP.
No matter who is in charge of China, Chinese people are the same .

I just explained with many paragraphs about the impression that Japan never apologized. Your ignoring it. Japan has apologized many times.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

The so-called "class-A war criminals" are the Japanese leaders charged guilty by the US at the tribunal for aggressive war making. There is no historical precedence for having a court and charging leadership guilty of aggressive war. Obviously it is hypocritical to do that since many countries have been aggressive but were never applied the same charge. Also "worship" is the wrong word for most. No one worships them except the very few ultra-nationalists.

China's feelings about the war are influenced by CCP. During the 1980s, Chinese expressed little official hate to Japan. Then Tianeman Square happened and the CCP lost a lot of credibility. So in the 1990s, CCP cranked up anti-Japanese hate to get Chinese people to stop hating the CCP.
 
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Posters, don't derail into Sino-Japanese war history, read the topic again and stay on it, thanks
 
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this is actually an articulate post from an yindoo member.

a stupid bazi, @Chinese-Dragon, termed me a conspiracy theorist just recently. i am not; nor was sartre or chomsky. and i am going to say that many a neo-colonial enterprise in the wake of the cascade of african national movements in the 50s and 60s was conspiratorial in nature - and that chinese economic outreach in africa today is not.

this outreach may be designed by two economically unequal parties, much like the disparity between belgium and france and their like and their former colonial subjects six decades ago. and the terms and manner of the economic transactions between china and africa today may not drastically reduce that economic inequality. BUT we also observe a few crucial markers that delineate the gulf between american-european neo-colonialism in africa and sino-african economic partnerships. first, the latter are never designed to perpetuate that said inequality; second, china never aspires to craft and superimpose on the africans a political ideology or hegemonic thought system that assists in that perpetuation. third, while market forces do not favor all participants equally and african countries more often than not find themselves less equal when dealing with capital-rich trading partners in western europe, north america and now china, china stands out among the latter for being respectful and humble when a local market situation doesn't favor its bargaining position and doesn't "conspire" through subversive political tactics or blatant military coercion to accomplish its trade objectives. in truth, all african friends recognize the salience of these three points and see china in very different light from their abusive, former colonial overlords and neo-colonial media outlets like the times must frequently find isolated incidences of local discontent to fabricate a case of chinese "neo-colonialism"; such is the style and standard of the times and other liberal/neo-colonial media.

i also want to emphasize that the critique of neo-colonialism is a perpetual project. the perpetuality derives from its permanent openness and infinite self-reflexivity. in other words, a serious critic of neo-colonialism must decline to take up the self-deflating task of designing a non-subjugative, non-exploitative, and "capacity building" aid program that can free the continent from neo-colonialism. such a program is ineluctably a mirage, a coction of several evolving, deceptive neo-colonial fantasies of the most sinister nature prescribed most often by the most entrenched neo-colonial forces.

china is not one of them. china only steps in and makes a competing offer of financing or engineering in a competitive market situation where angloamericans and europeans used to dominate. chinese offers aim to compete against other offers on the plate, not to rectify a fundamental political and economic justice that historically was none of china's making, and china's behavior is purely market drive and shaded by neither neo-colonial machination nor self-congratulatory leftist guilt. and as i explained above, i don't believe china or anyone is capable of designing an economic program that can truly and forever overthrow the neo-colonial project, and certainly china must not be morally and diplomatically responsible for such a program. china offers the best deal, however unequal, africans can get on an open market of financing and technology. and china frames the offer in as simplistic, market-transparent terms as possible, in absence of any unspoken ideological, hegemonic agenda and without a hint of the threat of military force and political domination.

You could have done well not to start your response with a back-handed complement and an insult to a prominent member (although I also disagree with him quite often).

I do not disagree with the overall tenor of your response. It is a to-the-point defence of Chinese projects in Africa. I can readily agree that China is not following the route of France in North Africa. Also that Chinese actions are not designed to perpetuate inequality and poverty. I especially liked that you concede that these projects may not necessarily lift the African people out of poverty. It is also correct that in any economic interaction between unequals the outcome will most likely fall short of ideal, regardless of who is involved. And IMO, there is also no reason to disagree with the assertion that China is not engaging in military intervention or regime change to further its goals.

To these, let me add some of my own points in support of Chinese investment in Africa, the way I see it. The extent of resource extraction done by the Chinese is over-emphasized. They are not only in resource industry and related infrastructure but also in power, Telecom, business services as well as setting up local businesses. So the Chinese involvement in Africa is broad-based and cannot be seen narrowly just to fit it into a colonialism narrative. It is also correct that the issue of hiring only Chinese workers is being steadily addressed and is not as bad as made out to be. Also, as of now, appropriating mining concessions and land is over-hyped, and in not a major part of the Chinese strategy in Africa. Finally, Chinese business in Africa is not dependent on dictatorships and bad actors - the highest number of projects are in South Africa and Nigeria.

However, that does not mean major areas of concern don't exist. All of the above is only the partial picture at this time. Without constant scrutiny, the situation may yet change into a neo-colonial one. There are four points that I would like to make.

1. While it is true that trade-wise, China has been Africa's biggest partner since the turn of the millennium, intervention in infrastructure projects has skyrocketed post the Global Financial Crisis. This is not a coincidence. This is also the time around which China ramped up its own infrastructure spending in a big way, thereby giving itself the capacity to engage in these activities in a big way. There was such a giant flow of credit through the Chinese economy that off-shoring part of the surplus infrastructure building capacity was essential. What has happened in recent years is essentially the export of this surplus ability. A close study of the sectors where the Chinese investment is heaviest will reveal that it is not just in areas where they are dominant, but also the ones in which they have most heavily over-invested post-2008.

So regardless of the degree of need that Africa has for these projects, fact is that China definitely needs to execute them. Which brings us to an uncomfortable scenario - if China is literally exporting excess capacity, then who guarantees that governments who are far less capable than the Chinese are not over-burdening themselves with debt which is essentially over-capacity at their end as well?

2. Is non-intervention the same as doing business with oppressive states? This, in my opinion, remains the most contentious issue. I have earlier clarified that I don't believe that China has a deliberate policy of aligning with dictatorships and oppressive regimes. That is not true.

But it is also true that China sees no qualms in being a business partner to Guinea, Zimbabwe, and Sudan. Each of these countries has had such a terrible record in recent years that at best, one can say that China's stance is totally apolitical and simply goes where the money is.

But a larger problem in doing business with regimes like these is this - does this not mean that China is invested in their survival? It is fine to say that China has not manipulated the political system in these countries directly, but it has provided them with the oxygen that these regimes need to survive. And if these are the regimes who have opened their nations to Chinese investment, what happens in case of civil strife or regime change?

It is logical that China would want stability in these countries, for without stability, these projects will fail. What is the cost of stability in Zimbabwe, Sudan and Guinea? I am not even referring to democracy, because of the existing political system in China that is a debate not worth going into. But if you do business with a regime that murders its citizens on a mass scale, are you not invested in their survival?

3. I will take an exception to your claim that the Chinese offer the best possible deal to these African countries. You call the process market-driven. Let us look at just two aspects of the process to understand whether being market-driven is desirable in the absolute sense. Chinese funding to these projects are at commercial rates. Western funding tends to be at concessional rates. Yet, African countries are increasingly relying on China for funding. Why is that so? Western funding is contingent on a very long feasibility study process, involving not only cost but also environmental impact assessment, economic aspects such as repayment potential, and often takes very long. The Chinese, on the other hand, simply do a quick cost analysis without doing a broader feasibility assessment. This dramatically reduces the time factor, but also compromises accurate understanding of environmental fallout and viability.

Now this can either be brushed off as nit-picking, or a serious concern because here China is dealing with some countries whose leaders are not known for being responsible. They will have no qualms about getting their countries into a debt trap just to make money through kickbacks or show instant results on the ground. Rushing proposals through without proper due diligence may be temporarily convenient, but could harm these countries in the long term.

Let me give two examples to illustrate why that is worrying. In 2007, two Chinese construction companies entered into a deal with the Government of Congo to swap a loan for infrastructure in exchange for a copper mine. In this way they secured their loans which otherwise the government of Congo was highly unlikely to repay. This kind of swap of a mining concession for a loan may become increasingly common as more and more governments fail to repay the loans. And of course there is the example of Hambantota port in Sri Lanka which has now been leased to China because the Sri Lankan government has defaulted on its debt. The combination of no feasibility study, poor viability and the tendency of irresponsible kleptocratic governments to undertake obligations that they don't care about fulfilling is a potent combination, which may well result in China gaining control over everything that it is building in Africa.

4. I will also disagree with your prescription that capacity building is an absolute no-no. It is easy to take the extreme scenario of Christian missionaries converting locals through aid and education. Is it a better option to let Africans remain uneducated, without healthcare or water, just because they might become tainted with a secular education? If in anything, that is where rich nations should compete - who can open more schools, hospitals and training facilities in poor countries. We can debate whether it is a sinister neo-colonial ploy, but to doubt its efficacy is to undermine the very process by which nations become empowered to take charge of themselves.

Secondly, even if the humanitarian aspect does not appeal to someone, there is the simple matter of economics. What is the single biggest obstacle preventing better fringe benefits from infrastructure and other projects in poor countries? Why is their a real restriction as to how many locals can be employed in these projects and in what capacity? It is the quality of training and education that is available in these nations. Without good capacity building measures, these projects will become white elephants - no jobs will be created in industry or services to take advantage of the infrastructure development. That will inevitably lead to debt default and we don't want that situation, do we?

Each of these points has counter-arguments and I am well aware of some. The aim is to discuss and not to debate.
 
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You go to any SEA countries(except for Laos and East Timor), the Chinese will always be there and the respective nation's economy will always be controlled by them.

http://factsanddetails.com/asian/cat66/sub418/item2729.html

CHINESE IN SOUTHEAST ASIA



Large numbers of Chinese live in Southeast Asia. They are sometimes called "Asian Jews" because they started businesses, retained their customs and have become very rich. The economies in Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand for the most part are controlled by rich Chinese Although some live in rural areas, the vast majority of Chinese in Southeast Asia live in urban areas. Sometimes they live in separate Chinatowns.

Chinese in Southeast Asia (percentage of population): 1) 6 million in Malaysia (34 percent); 2) 6 million in Indonesia (3 percent); 3) 6 million in Thailand (14 percent); 4) 2 million in Singapore (76 percent); 5) 1 million in Vietnam (2 percent); 6) 600,000 in the Philippines (1 percent); 7) 300,000 in Cambodia (4 percent); 8) 25,000 in Laos (0.8 percent). These numbers do not always reflect the full extent of Chinese presence. Partially assimilated Chinese are often not counted as Chinese.

The first Chinese to enter Southeast Asia were Buddhist monks, maritime traders and representatives of the Imperial Chinese government.. In ancient and medieval times, Chinese traders utilized Southeast Asian ports on maritime Silk Road but in the early days much of this trade was carried out by Arab mariners and merchants. Regular trading between China and Southeast Asia didn't really begin in earnest until the 13th century. Chinese were attracted by trade opportunities in Malacca, Manila, Batavia (Jakarta) Some of the most detailed descriptions of Angkor Wat and other Southeast Asian civilizations came from Chinese travelers and monks.

Companies controlled by ethnic Chinese are very powerful in all across Asia, with the exception of South Korea and Japan. The economic clout of the Chinese in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Southeast Asia would rank third or forth in the world after the United States, Japan and possibly Germany.


Chinese Arrive in Southeast Asia


The Chinese eunuch explorer Zheng He (1371-1433) helped establish Chinese communities in parts of Java and the Malay Peninsula in part, many historians believe, to impose imperial Chinese control.

Beginning in the late-1700s, large numbers of Chinese---mostly from Guangdong and Fujian provinces and Hainan Island in southern China---began emigrating to Southeast Asia. Most were illiterate, landless peasants oppressed in their homelands and looking for opportunities abroad. The rich landowners and educated Mandarins stayed in China. Scholars attribute the mass exodus to population explosion in the coastal cities of Fujian and prosperity and contacts generated by foreign trade.

So many people left Fujian for Southeast Asia during the late 18th century and early 19th century that the Manchu court issued an imperial edict in 1718 recalling all Chinese to the mainland. A 1728 proclamation declared that anyone who didn't return and was captured would be executed.

Most of the Chinese who settled in Southeast Asia left China in the mid 19th century after a number treaty ports were opened in China with the signing of the Treaty of Nanking in 1842 after the first Opium War. The ports made it easy to leave and with the British rather than imperial Chinese running things there were fewer obstacles preventing them from leaving. British ports in Southeast Asia, particularly Singapore, gave them destinations they could head to.

A particularly large number of Chinese left from the British treaty ports of Xiamen (Amoy) and Fuzhou (Foochow) in Fujian province. Many were encouraged to leave by colonial governments so they could provide cheap coolie labor in ports around the world, including those in colonial Southeast Asia. Many Chinese fled the coastal province of Fujian and Zhejiang after famines and floods in 1910 and later during World War II and the early days of Communist rule. Many of the legal and illegal immigrants from China continue to come from Fujian.


Chinese Advance in Southeast Asia


Of the Chinese who went abroad, some returned, some died under harsh working conditions but many stayed on where able to prosper under European colonial rule. Many of those who initially did well acted as middlemen between the Europeans and Southeast Asian producers and consumers.

The Chinese thrived under colonial rule. In French colonies laws discouraged participation in commerce by the native population but encouraged Chinese participation. In the British-controlled Malay states the Chinese managed the lucrative opium farms and controlled opium distribution. in Indonesia, the Chinese collected taxes and worked as labor contractors for the Dutch.

Over time, the Chinese became moneylenders, and controlled internal trade in the Southeast Asia countries where they lived. They also played various roles in the trade between Southeast Asian countries. Some accumulated great wealth and this encouraged other Chinese in China to follow in their footsteps.

Overseas Chinese worked as shop owners, traders, middlemen; became involved in wide variety of businesses; and founded family businesses and international firms. By the late 19th century they controlled much of the commerce in Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Cambodia and Indonesia and ran companies that businesses through the Asian-Pacific region.


Chinese Assimilation


Chinese that arrived before the mid 19th century often intermarried with local people and became assimilated into the local culture. As time went on they became progressively less assimilated.

Assimilation has been particularly difficult in Malaysia and Indonesia where Islamic practices discourage marriages involving Muslims and non-Muslims. For local people marrying a non-Muslim is also seen as rejection of Muslim-based nationalist pride.

Assimilation has been easier for Chinese in Thailand, where the people speak a tonal language somewhat related to Chinese, practice Buddhism and Chinese influences are present in the culture. Here more Chinese of have intermarried and become assimilated. Many have taken Thai names and speak the Thai language but retain Chinese cultural practices

In most countries in Southeast Asia Chinese children speak Chinese at home but use local languages at school and study government-designed curriculum that encourages nationalism and identification with the culture of the Southeast Asian nation where they live. Chinese culture is often transmitted outside the education system in community-based cultural and recreational clubs.

Despite all this there waves of anti-Chinese protests swept Southeast Asia in the 1950s and 1960s. See Chinese in Malaysia Below


Chinese Language in Southeast Asia


Overseas Chinese speak three main language groups: 1) Min (Northern and Southern), 2) Yue and 3) Hakka. Southern Min dialects include Hokkien and Fukien from Fujian; Chaochow, Teochew and Taechew from Chaozhou and Hainan. Northern Min dialects include Foochow and Hockchew from Fuzhou, Hungua from Xinghua and Hockchia. Yue dialects include Cantonese, Guangfu and Yueh. Hakka dialects include Hokka, Ke, Kechia, Kejia, Kek and Kheh. Technically these dialects are not really dialects. They are topolects (speeches from a particularly place).

It is not unusual for an overseas Chinese community to speak eight of more dialects. When this is the case one dialect becomes the lingua franca for the entire community. Hokkein, the Southern Min dialect of Fujian, is the primary dialect of many overseas Chinese communities in Malaysia, Singapore Indonesia, and the Philippines whereas Teochew, the Southern Min dialect of Chaozhou, is the primary dialect of the overseas Chinese communities in Thailand.

Even when different Chinese communities can not understand each other's speech they can communicate through written Chinese, which more less universal for all Chinese dialects. See Written Chinese, China.

Most Southeast Asian Chinese are required to learn local languages in schools and need skills in the local languages to get a top level education and land a good job. Southeast Asian Chinese keep up their Chinese because it use useful in business and helps them communicate with other Chinese in Southeast Asia, China and around the world


Chinese Society in Southeast Asia


Social stratification tends to be based on income levels in the country where the Chinese live rather than on class distinctions from back home. This is at least partly because most overseas Chinese are descendant of poor peasants. Social unification is based on bonds created by “dialect” groups, business associations, and shared surnames. Leaders tend to be selected in the basis of merit, connections and economic influence rather than family background.

Overseas Chinese generally use the legal and political systems in their home countries to settle disputes and further their aims. In some cases they may turn to Tongs (secret societies) for some help. Tongs have their roots in fighting societies created when rival Chinese communities fought one another. They have traditionally been involved in “underground economies," gambling and prostitution; often had their own “police force” of thugs; and had links with Triads (organized crime groups).


Chinese Communities in Southeast Asia


Chinese in Southeast Asia tend to congregate in Chinese urban communities, There they have elaborately decorated temples, ancestor halls ( kongi), dialect associations and Chinese chambers of commerce. Many Chinese live in two story houses that have a residence on the top floor and a business or shop on the first floor. Businesses of a similar kind are grouped together in the same neighborhood. Jewelers, for example, run shops in one area, while fabric sellers run shops in another area. Everywhere there are restaurants up and food hawker.

The Chinese often attend their own schools, read their own newspapers, attended their own operas and set up their own banks. They have community associations and try, whenever possible, to trade with each other.

Many Chinese are members of societies within societies and have retained an intense loyalty "to family, village and clan." They are often more interested in events in China than the are in what was going on in the countries where they live. Descendants of Chinese who arrived abroad generations ago still send large amounts of money back home.

With the exception of Singapore and Malaysia, Chinese in Southeast Asia were required to adopt non-Chinese names. Chinese living outside of China have generally endured discrimination without complaining, partly out of fear that they would only make the situation worse if they rocked the boat.


Chinese Family-Run Businesses


In his book The Spirit of Chinese Capitalism, Gordon Redding wrote, "The Chinese family business...is peculiarly effective and a significant contributor to the list of causes of the East Asia miracle." Chinese-owned companies are often family run and have family members, other relatives or family friends in all the management positions. This contrasts with Western corporation which generally rely on professional managers. One Chinese businessman told the Washington Post, "We mostly hire people because he family knows them, or because they're introduced by a family member. That way you can find someone you can trust. Chinese find it not so easy to trust other people."

Many Chinese companies are run by old patriarchs backed up by Western-educated sons and daughters. The Chinese family system is much more effective in simple organizations like shipping, real estate and the production of low-market goods such as shoes and electronic but is not as effective in sophisticated organization that spend a lot on research and development and design high-tech products.

Confucian thought adapts itself very well to the hierarchical management style. One of the key components of a Chinese family-run business is trust. The Chinese have a reputation of distrusting people outside their clan or circle. The advantages of the Chinese family system of business are that it keeps management size down and allows quick decisions to be made without lengthy meetings, which in turn allows companies to move quickly into profitable markets. The disadvantages of the Chinese family system of business are that favoritism keeps talent out and family feuds can bitterly divide a company especially after a patriarch dies.

Modest Chinese businesses like noodle restaurants and small shops. are run by husband and wife teams, with children providing labor. Women often play an important role in organizing the finances. Explaining how such a business gets started one Asian businessman told Stanley Karnow in Smithsonian magazine: "Americans make big investment, hire manager, technicians." Asians “cannot afford that, but wife and children all work hard. At first I keep old job while wife and friend take care of store; later I quit to run business full time. Until last year we are here seven days a week, sometimes until 2 in the morning. Now we are doing OK, so we take Sunday off."

There are critics of the the Chinese family business model. One Chinese businessmen said that many Chinese businessmen suffer from “Chinese restaurant syndrome” in that “they are contents with small-scale enterprises; they are happy to making a living. But Jewish people want to be the best and make a huge company."


Chinese Custom Among Chinese in Southeast Asia


Customs regarding extended families, kinship, marriage, funerals, inheritance have remained the same or close to same as those practiced by Chinese in China. Descent is along patrilineal lines. Children are taught Confucian values of respect towards elders and filial duty. Women do most of the child rearing but sometimes grandparents help out so women can work.

Marriages tend to follow the Chinese pattern. They are arranged or have a fair degree of parental input and couples tend live the groom's parents after they get married. . Overseas Chinese are more likely to marry a partner with different religious beliefs or from a different hometown area than Chinese in China. Intermarriage with local people varies from place and place and has traditionally been less likely in Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia than in non-Muslim countries.

In the case of divorces local laws are generally stronger than Chinese customs. This means that divorces are often easier to get than they would be in China and women are more likely to get custody of the children.

The religion observed by overseas Chinese is the generally the same mix of Taoism, Buddhism and folk beliefs practiced by Chinese in China. They perform rites to ancestors and celebrate Chinese lunar calendar festivals and visit temples. .In some cases their beliefs are stronger than Chinese in China because their religious beliefs were not discouraged by a Communist regime.


Views of Ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia Towards China


Michael Vatikiotis wrote in the International Herald Tribune: “Western social scientists have long postulated that ethnic Chinese communities in Asia have assimilated with their host societies and slowly lost their Chinese identity. But much of this research was conducted in the dark days of the Cultural Revolution and its aftermath, when links between ethnic Chinese and their motherland were cut off. [Source: Michael Vatikiotis, International Herald Tribune, August 24, 2005]

The trend for the last 25 years, since China opened up under Deng Xiaoping, has been for ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia to make return visits to China to explore their ancestral villages, network with distant relatives, relearn the language and - more recently - invest in China's booming economy. On a recent official visit to China, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra of Thailand made a pilgrimage to his grandparents' graves in Guangdong Province. Thailand's Charoen Pokphand Group was for many years one of the largest foreign investors in China.

China, for its part, has been careful not to claim the loyalty of its overseas kin. Successive prime ministers, from Zhou Enlai to Li Peng, made it clear that ethnic Chinese overseas owed their loyalty to host governments. This position has modified somewhat with the growth of China's economy. Special arrangements were made for ethnic Chinese returning to "invest in the motherland." A new network of "Confucius Centers" is being established to teach Chinese language and culture overseas. When anti-Chinese riots broke out in Indonesia a decade ago, Beijing felt compelled to lodge a protest with Jakarta. And China has increasingly made use of ethnic Chinese business and political contacts to further its influence in Southeast Asia.

All this raises the question of where the loyalties of ethnic Chinese overseas lie.The official line is that Singaporeans are culturally Chinese but politically Singaporean. It's this cultural identification that inspires pride in China's recent achievements and helps mute the kind of knee-jerk fear of China that tinges debates in the United States and Europe. "The idea and ideal of One China" are "deeply embedded in the Chinese mind," Singapore's foreign minister, George Yeo, said recently.

But as China extends its influence economically and politically, the nagging question is whether Beijing's policy of not claiming loyalty and affiliation will hold. With so much overseas Chinese capital now invested in China, how easy will it be for governments or individuals in Southeast Asia to resist calls for support and sympathy? The difference between being American and being Chinese is that America has a universal appeal, rather like a religion; being Chinese is a tribal thing, Yeo argues. "A Chinese cannot cease being a Chinese."


Ethnic Chinese in Indonesia


Andrew Higgins wrote in the Washington Post: For much of Indonesia's modern history, first under the dominance of the Dutch East India Co., then as a formal Dutch colony and, after 1949, as an independent nation, ethnic Chinese have rarely been able to live in peace. “No country harboring a Chinese minority possesses a blacker record of persecution and racial violence than Indonesia," according to “Sons of the Yellow Emperor," a study of overseas Chinese communities written by Lynn Pan, a leading authority on the subject. [Source: Andrew Higgins, Washington Post, August 18 2012]

“A massacre triggered by economic unrest in 1740 left thousands of Chinese dead. Dutch authorities later barred Chinese Indonesians from traveling without special permits and introduced a system of racial classification that separated residents of Chinese descent from other groups. At the same time, they also gave Chinese economic privileges over other ethnic groups. Independence in 1949 brought a severe backlash, with the new government, led by a fiery nationalist, banning trade in rural areas by non-indigenous Indonesians and imposing other restrictions. [Ibid]

“A failed communist coup in 1965 led to a spasm of horrific bloodletting targeted at ethnic Chinese and supposed supporters of the Indonesian Communist Party, or PKI, a revolutionary outfit that had been encouraged, funded and armed by Mao Zedong's Communist regime in Beijing. Amid the chaos, a new regime took over in Jakarta, led by Suharto, who ruled Indonesia with an iron hand from 1965 until the mayhem of 1998. [Ibid]

Discrimination against local Chinese became a pillar of Suharto's authoritarian New Order regime. After rejecting forced emigration as a solution to the “Chinese problem," authorities opted for coerced assimilation, banning Chinese newspapers, schools, festivals and other expressions of identity different from that of the indigenous majority. [Ibid]

“Under Suharto, everything Chinese was suppressed," said Myra Sidharta, an 85-year-old, third-generation Chinese Indonesian who has chronicled the Chinese minority. Sidharta said that she sometimes played golf with Suharto before he seized power and that she found him “very boring” but not a frothing bigot. His anti-Chinese policies, she said, derived from a political calculation that the relatively well-off Chinese minority served as an easy and popular scapegoat. [Ibid]

“The crumbling of Suharto's dictatorial authority in 1998 initially proved a nightmare for Indonesian Chinese as pro-democracy student demonstrations morphed into an orgy of rioting that hit Chinese-owned shops and homes with particular fury. But, as the country stabilized into a functioning democracy, the first elected president, the liberal-minded Muslim cleric Abdurrahman Wahid, and his successors introduced legal and social reforms aimed at undoing past discrimination. [Ibid]

They lifted bans on expressions of Chinese culture, revised nationality rules and even declared Confucianism an official religion, alongside Islam, Hinduism, Catholicism, Protestantism and Buddhism. The Ministry of Religious Affairs now has a special unit dedicated to promoting and protecting an ancient Chinese system of Confucian ethics that China itself does not consider a religion. [Ibid]


Ethnic Chinese in Cambodia


There are an estimated 300,000 and 600,000 Chinese-Cambodians in Cambodia. They tend to be assimilated and many have intermarried with Khmers (one reason for variance in population numbers is how mixed blood and intermarried Chinese are counted) . They speak Khmer, worship at Khmer Buddhist temples and have Cambodian style weddings. Few can speak Chinese. In many cases the only thing they seems to have retained from their culture is the Chinese cakes served at special occasions and the custom of living with the wife's family after marriage.

There are records of Chinese envoys visiting Angkor Wat in the 13th century. The Chinese have traditionally lived in the cities and towns and controlled businesses in part because the Khmers have traditionally looked down on commerce. Chinese have controlled much of the commerce in Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, Cambodia and Indonesia since the 19th century and today are still involved in businesses throughout the Asian-Pacific region.

In the colonial period, with the help of French policies, Chinese were set themselves up so that about 400 of them dominated the Cambodian economy. In the 1960s there were about 500,000 Chinese in Cambodia. Most of them originally came from the southern Chinese province of Guangdong.

Chinese-Cambodians were singled out for discrimination by the Lon Nol government that preceded the Khmer Rouge. Although Beijing was an ally of the Khmer Rouge, that didn't stop the Pol Pot regime from killing Chinese-Cambodians and forcing them to flee the country. The number of ethnic Cambodia fell from 430,000 in 1975 to 215,000 in 1979. After the Khmer Rouge was ousted Chinese were discriminated against by the Vietnamese. At that most Chinese were poor, getting by running very small businesses.

The Cambodian Chinese are recognized as Cambodian citizens and as a sign of how influential they are, of the 24 member board of the Chamber of Commerce established in Phnom Penh in the early 2000s 17 members spoke Chinese, but only three were fluent in English.


Chinese in Cambodia Under the Khmer Rouge and Afterwards


Tens of thousands of Chinese were killed or driven from Cambodia during Khmer Rouge years. They were reportedly to singled out for harsh treatment because of their involvement in commercial activities. By one estimate 200,000 Chinese perished between 1975 and 1979.

One diplomat told Reuters: "They were regarded as bourgeois and forced to the fields to do hard labor. In 1979 they started to return to Phnom Penh but they had lost all their properties and land, even the Chinese temples were destroyed. They suffered a lot during those years---now they have restored their business, gradually they have started to make business and learn to make a little money so they could begin and get their property back."

In the 1980s the Chinese kept a low profile because of Chinese support of the Khmer Rouge. In the 1990s the government softened up on the Chinese. Temples were rebuilt, Chinese-language schools were reopened and permission was given in 1990 to establish the Association of Chinese in Cambodia. In 1995, there were 13 Chinese-language schools and five Chinese temples in Phnom Penh.

In 1995, it was estimated that there were about 300,000 Chinese in Cambodia, 80 percent of them in Phnom Penh. According to many people in Cambodia the Chinese have re-established themselves as the dominant economic force in the country, playing a major role in import-export, banking, hotels, gold and rice trading, garments, manufacturing and property.

In the late 1990s and 2000s there was a kind of rebirth of Chinese culture. A number of Chinese schools opened. Other private schools offered Mandarin lessons. Chinese restaurants and Chinese newspaper were launched. The government made efforts to attract hundreds of millions of dollars in investments from overseas Chinese businessmen and lure large numbers of Chinese tourists. Chinese-Cambodians have been encouraged by the Hun Sen government to engage in business and use their connections in China to bring in foreign investment. In this environment, Chinese-Cambodians have thrived and increased their domination in many businesses.


Chinese in Thailand


Ethnic Chinese make up 10 to 14 percent of the population of Thailand, or around than 6 million to 9 million people (the range in numbers has to do with how mixed-blood Thai Chinese are counted). They are largely assimilated and many have intermarried with Thais. Many Chinese became Thai after a few generations. Many recognize their Chinese heritage but no longer identify with the Chinese ethnic group. An estimated 80 percent of Chinese Thais speak Thai at home. Thais intermarry with the Chinese more than the Malaysians do.

Teochew, the Southern Min dialect of Chaozhou, has traditionally been the primary dialect of the overseas Chinese communities in Thailand whereas Hokkein, the Southern Min dialect of Fujian, has traditionally been the primary dialect of many Overseas Chinese communities in Malaysia, Singapore Indonesia, and the Philippines.

Bangkok has a large, influential Chinese community. They are said to be fond of shopping and new condominiums. Bangkok supports six daily Mandarin-language newspapers. At one time half the population of Bangkok was at least part Chinese by descent. Even the royal family has some Chinese blood.

Assimilation has been easier for Chinese in Thailand---where the people speak a language somewhat related to Chinese, practice Buddhism and there are many Chinese influences in the culture---than elsewhere in Southeast Asia. In Thailand, many Chinese have taken Thai names.

Many of the businesses in Thailand are owned by Chinese. Thais have traditionally been involved in farming and governing while Chinese ran commercial and industrial activities. In the 1970s, about 75 percent of all the shops, banks and factories in Bangkok were Chinese owned. In 1995, 11 Thais were listed as dollar billionaires. All but one were of Chinese descent. At that time 12 of the 15 commercial banks are owned by Chinese families. Ethnic Chinese tycoons were hit hard by the Asian financial crisis. Many were technically bankrupt for years.


History of Chinese in Thailand


Trade between Siam and China existed from an early period. Rhinoceros horn, kingfisher feathers and ivory were among the items sought by the Chinese. The famous 15th-century explorer-eunuch, Zheng Ho, commented that when he arrived in Siam there were many Chinese who lived there because the women were easy to get. He also commented on the large number of monks and the fact that women seem to run everything.

By the time the Europeans arrived in what is now Thailand, Thai harbors were filled Chinese junks and Thai ports were home to Chinese that spoke a number of dialects. Siam was a major destination for Chinese exports and was a major transshipment center for goods to other places and islands in Asia and Oceania. Bangkok was a Chinese trading post before it was an important Thai city. King Ram I was married to the daughter of a rich Chinese merchant.

By the 19th century, the Chinese were an important segment of Thai society. They ran much of the economy and controlled trade and in many ways were Thailand's window to the outside world. In both Thailand and China their money help strengthen the economy and finance the construction of many temples and buildings. Many of the hardworking and enterprising Chinese in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam are from the southern Chinese province of Fujian. In Thailand many are also from Chaozhou area of Guangdong Province.


History of Chinese in Thailand in the 20th Century


After Imperial China collapsed in the early 20th century, Chinese in Thailand were discriminated against. Their schools were closed down and they were barred from certain jobs and business. The Thai King wrote a tract called the Chinese the “Jews of the East." Some of this was based on prejudice and ignorance. Some was based on worries that Chinese revolutionary politics might spill into Thailand. A similar wave of anti-Chinese occurred when Mao Zedong seized power in China after World War II. Since 1948 there has been a government policy restricted Chinese-language instruction in Chinese schools.

Many Chinese changed their name and took other measures to try and hide the fact they were Chinese. They government made it easy for them to become Thai citizens. Many intermarried with Thais. Over the years many Chinese became more assimilated to Thai culture and lost their bonds to China. Some though continued to speak Chinese at home, quietly practiced Chinese customs and religion and retained their Chinese names.

In the 1980s, when China began to emerged as an economic power, being Thai Chinese became kind of fashionable. Thai Chinese were instrumental in forming close relations with China. There was a re-emergence of Chinese pride and more open expressions of Chineseness. Television dramas began touching on relations between Thais and Chinese. Men of Chinese decent became prime ministers and Miss Thailand began looking more like Chinese than Thai.


Chinese in Vietnam


There are about one million Chinese in Vietnam (two percent of the population). There used to be more but many were forced to leave. Many of the so-called Boat People that fled Vietnam during a much-publicized exodus between 1975 and 1980 were Chinese Vietnamese (See Boat People).

The Chinese did well in the colonial period. French laws discouraged participation in commerce by the native population but encouraged Chinese participation. In 1970, Chinese Vietnamese made up 5.3 percent of the population but controlled 70 to 80 percent of the commerce. After the Vietnam War, the Chinese were targets and many fled or were driven out.

At one time, assimilation was easy for Chinese in Vietnam, where people speak a language somewhat related to Chinese, practice some Buddhism, follow Confucianism, and have many Chinese influences in their culture. Many Chinese intermarried with Vietnamese, took Vietnamese names and spoke Vietnamese at home.

Vietnam's Chinese community has traditionally lived mostly in urban areas on the south and centered in the Cholon district of Saigon. Stanley Karnow wrote in Smithsonian magazine, they "quietly play a pivotal role in finance...Everyone relies on overseas Chinese." Many of the hardworking and enterprising Chinese in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam are descendants of people originally from the southern Chinese province of Fujian.


Chinese in Malaysia


There are around 5.2 million ethnic Chinese in Malaysia. They are mostly descendants of Chinese who arrived is various waves of immigration and established themselves in the cities. Like their counterparts in Singapore, Indonesian, Thailand and Vietnam, many are from the southern Chinese province of Fujian. Many of the Chinese in Malaysia were brought in by the British in the 19th century to work the tin mines and rubber plantations as laborers.

In the past, Malaysia was divided into the Chinese haves and Malay have nots. Ethnic tension ran high. A Chinese living in Malaysia I talked with compared the situation in his country to apartheid. Assimilation has been particularly difficult for Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia where Islamic practices discourage marriages involving Muslims and non-Muslims. For local people marrying a non-Muslim is also seen as rejection of Muslim-based nationalist pride.

The Chinese have traditionally dominated business in Malaysia and run shops and hotels. Many are descendants of laborers who worked hard and saved so that succeeding generations could prosper. Many are self employed. In the 1970s, Kuala Lumpur about 90 percent of all the shops, banks and factories are were owned by Chinese and Chinese businessmen still control a large share of the commercial enterprises. These days bumiputra (Malay) billionaires run much of the economy rather Chinese billionaires.

Between the early 1990s and the early 2000s, ethnic Chinese dropped for 28 percent of the population to 26 percent. The primary reason for this was that Malays have a higher birthrate than the Chinese. To correct this situation a Chinese political party set up a “Cupid” matchmaking club that hosted mixers to bring single Chinese men and women together in hopes that they would get married and produce more children. In recent years, young Chinese adults have said they were more interested in advancing their careers than getting married. Participant in the Cupid Club events had to swear they were single and reveal their favorite political party and bloodtype and confess if they had drinking or gambling problems.


Chinese Culture in Malaysia


The Chinese tend to live in urban areas. Unlike many of the Muslim Malays, they eat pork and drink alcohol. Many send heir children to Mandarin-language schools. Chinese homes often have altars with Buddha statues. Chinese grave offerings---cardboard microwave ovens, televisions, air conditioners---are burned during holidays as offerings to the dead. There are even checks, credit cards and passports which can be used by the dead in the other world.

Malaysians have intermarried less with the Chinese less than the Thais have. Babas and Noyas are the respective names and males and females born to Chinese-Malay unions) . Baba and Nyonya families are descendants of Chinese traders that married into Malay families. The Straits Chinese by Malaysian sociologist Khoo Jo Ee is about the subculture of Babas and Noyas.

Baba Malay, a fusion of Hokkein and Malay, is spoken in Singapore and Malaysia. Hokkein, the Southern Min dialect of Fujian, is the primary dialect of many Overseas Chinese communities in Malaysia, Singapore Indonesia, and the Philippines. Mandarin Chinese continues to be the primary language of instruction at Chinese primary schools and private secondary schools. The Chinese-language press has also managed to endure.

The Chinese generally keep a low profile. They generally do not go to great lengths to display their Chineseness nor to make a great effort to express their Malaysian patriotism. Many Chinese have adopted English nicknames. Only 9 percent of Chinese students attend national school. Most go to private schools oriented for the Chinese community.

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Ethnic Chinese dominate PH economy
By: Solita Collas-Monsod - @inquirerdotnet
Philippine Daily Inquirer / 10:04 PM June 22, 2012
Truly, a picture is worth a thousand words. The pictures of the top 15 Filipino billionaires (in US dollars, mind you) in Friday’s issue of the Inquirer brought home with crystal clarity the domination of the Philippine economy by ethnic Chinese. This is, of course, not a unique situation, as it seems to be the case in all of Southeast Asia (with the possible exception of Malaysia), but that is cold comfort indeed.

Yale Law Prof. Amy Chua, in her book “World On Fire,” asserts that Chinese Filipinos comprise 1 percent of the population but control 60 percent of the economy. Presumably, she means ethnically Chinese Filipinos (i.e., of pure Chinese descent). If one includes, however, mixed-blood Chinese Filipinos, where the other part of the blood, as it were, would be Filipino, or Spanish, or maybe a combination of both, then the percentage of Filipinos of Chinese origin goes up to around 22 percent. That is to say, more than 1 in 5 Filipinos have more than a small amount of Chinese blood.

What constitutes more than a small amount? I haven’t put my hands on the information, but for purposes of this discussion, let us assume that one has to be at least one-third Chinese to be considered Chinese Filipino.

So let us now hark back to those 15 pictures. One immediately sees the Chinese domination. And the small amount of research I did validates the eyeball conclusion. Nine of the 15 billionaires—or 60 percent—are in fact ethnic (pure-blooded) Chinese: Henry Sy, Lucio Tan, John Gokongwei, Andrew Tan, George Ty, Robert Coyuito, Tony Tan Caktiong, Lucio Co and Emilio Yap. Their mother tongue has to be a Chinese dialect. And in fact, six of them were born in China, or what is now China, immigrating to the Philippines in their youth.

Another three of the 15 certainly have Chinese names-
Bobby Ongpin and Danding Cojuangco. But that’s about as far as it goes, and while I have not been able to ascertain that they have less than one-third Chinese blood, I am willing to bet on it, particularly since I was able to talk to Maribel Ongpin and Marilou Tuason (walking social historians). One thing is sure: Their mother tongue has nothing to do with any of the Chinese dialects. So even if two of the three have a “mestizo” look (Dave Consunji is as Filipino-looking as they come), I would tag all three of them as Filipino Filipinos.

The final three: Ricky Razon, Jaime Zobel, and Iñigo Zobel, are obviously Spanish Filipinos—and their mother tongue is most probably Spanish, although Iñigo’s father, the late Enrique Zobel, spoke Filipino like a native Batangueño.

But there are ways of classifying these 15 billionaires other than by their ethnic origins. For example, nine of them I would classify as “self-made,” in that they came from almost nothing—Sy, L. Tan, Gokongwei, Consunji, A. Tan, Ty, Tan Caktiong, Co, and Yap. The other seven had from some amount to a very great deal of inherited wealth, which at the very least assured the best education, which they then used to excellent effect.

Then, of course, one can also classify these billionaires—and here I will not name names because of possible libel suits—as having come by their wealth from 1) hard work while keeping their noses clean, or 2) hard work combined with political and/or financial hanky-panky, or 3) hard work with shameless labor exploitation, or 4) the pits (2 and 3 combined; hard work plus getting rich by hook or by crook), or 5) just sitting back and not rocking the boat on inherited wealth. I invite the Reader to do his/her own private classifying.

Still another way of classifying the billionaires is by the nature of their activities (not mutually exclusive): There are at least five in banking or finance, six in real estate development, three in manufacturing (including food and beverage), and three in retail trade. The greatest common denominator seems to be real estate development, in one form or another.

What is also very interesting about the Filipino billionaires is how they have increased in number, and how their net worth (and their rankings) have changed over time. For example, in 2007, there were only four Filipino billionaires (in US dollars, remember) listed by Forbes magazine: Jaime Zobel de Ayala and family at the top, worth $2 billion, followed by three ethnic Chinese—Henry Sy, Lucio Tan and Andrew Tan. By 2011, there were 11 billionaires, and, of course, the latest number is 15. Over the same period, the three ethnic Chinese overtook Don Jaime in terms of wealth. Why that happened would make for a very interesting case study.

And see how fast some of their net worth has grown in the 5-year period between 2007 and 2012, the global financial and economic crises occurring within that period notwithstanding. The biggest success story seems to be that of Dave Consunji. Now I am not afraid to say that Dave is in Category 1 as far as how he came by his wealth is concerned: by the sweat of his brow and keeping his nose clean. He is one of the straightest shooters in business that I have had the privilege to meet. In 2007, when he was 86, his family’s net worth was “only” $210 million, making him the 19th richest man in the Philippines. Well, as reported in the Inquirer, his net worth in 2012 is $2.78 billion, or more than 13 times what it was in 2007. Not bad for a 91-year-old man—and one who has kept his nose clean.

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"Burmese Chinese are well represented in all levels of Burmese society and play a leading role in the Burmese commerce and business sector as well as public service. Several Burmese Chinese such as Khin Nyunt, Ne Win, and San Yu have been major figures in the Burmese political scene.[6] The Burmese Chinese are also a well established middle class ethnic group and dominate the Burmese economy today.[7][8] Moreover, the Burmese Chinese have a disproportionately large presence in Burmese the high powered, private sector, white collar jobs and highly educated class in Burma.[9][10]"
 
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