Is Baluchistan more strategically significant than Afghanistan?

[Bushy]

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The reason why India agreed to discuss Baluchistan: Rediff.com India News

What I am talking about can be searched by doing a Ctrl+F and searching for 'pumping'

I will leave 'pause' part for you to decide whether you wish to weigh a pause more than a statement.

About the links you provided, I do not do CTRL+F because I never base my analogy on any specific part of the information, so I read it all.

Now the question is, did you read it all? If you had read it all, you would have known that the conclusion of Hamid Mir's passage was "I think there is no harm in India discussing Baluchistan with Pakistan because stability in Baluchistan will ultimately benefit India."

Now let us check the source of your exasperation - the claim in both the links comes from the same person - Christine Fair, Rand corp.

I have actually read the debate/discussion where she made these remarks. Although she never provided any proof, and was viewed with skepticism everywhere, let us say she is telling the truth and analyze her statement:

"having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan".

Would you happen to know that Zahedan consulate has been in its skeletal form since the day it was established? Would you happen to know that Zahedan consulate is in Iran, and if India tries to 'pump' in money from Zahedan to unrest Balochistan (Pak), it would terribly backfire at India because Iran will take it as India's support for Jandullah?

Christine Fair was asked hundreds of times by numerous journalists to explain her comment made in that discussion on Pakistan, India, and China's role in South Asia. She never talked a word about it anymore. All she said was, Pakistan committed mistakes, and India is reaping the harvest.

If you really believe her words, I would so love to show you her statements on Pakistan. Will surely make you proud

 

[SMC]

Yes I know what she has said about Pakistan. That's irrelevant and a diversion.

As far as the consulate goes, if it's not used why would it be there? There has to be a purpose. In fact the fact that you're saying it is not used too much means a lot, since covertly supporting BLA through there would mean there would be minimal activity seen there.

Secondly, you should realize that she is using that one specific consulate as an example. Meaning there are possibly more consulates out there doing the same.

Also I don't see how BLA could be linked with Jundullah?

As far as the pause and statement goes from the separatist leader goes, you're trying to separate the two to make it work for your advantage. The both have to be looked together along with the question that was asked before to make sense of it.

Also, if you choose to reply, by all means, however I do not have the time to continue arguing so I will stop now.

 

[EagleEyes]

Those who could not discuss the topic in a correct manner are banned and suspended. Follow the rules or get banned.

 

[nForce]

Please sir, do not insult me by posting a couple of pictures of doctor's doing normal check up as some sort of paramount help to all afghanis. I appreciate the good work but there was no need to bring that here. Pakistan has been helping them for a very long time.

I didnt bring it here sir.I was merely quoting from the source that u only provided to me.Anyways,I think Afghanistan and Baluchistan are two entirely separate issues.

Here is a hospital especially for Afghani's in Quetta where they have been receiving medical help for the last 30 years.

Some of the pictures show extreme physical deformations/diseases, view with caution.

Malalai Hospital of RAWA Serves Afghans in Pakistan (photos)

I appreciate the good work.

The quote you gave from an Afghani source are NA officials, they are expected to go against Pakistan after what has happened to them.

I didnt use any source other than what u gave me..Now it seems like u r dumping ur own source..

Where was India's help when you friends, the Soviets were bombing innocent Afghanis.

India,though a strong nation now,was not that much strong back during 1979-80's.Still there was a mission which ran a hospital in Northern Afghanistan.
After 2001,India happened to be the biggest regional contributor to development in Afghanistan.
Below is an interesting article which u may refer to.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India: Afghanistan's influential ally

I am also attaching a pdf file containing summary of all the developmental works done by India in Afghanistan which can be otherwise found in the website of the India Embassy in Kabul.

Assistance to Afghanistan

 

[T-Faz]

I didnt bring it here sir.I was merely quoting from the source that u only provided to me.Anyways,I think Afghanistan and Baluchistan are two entirely separate issues.

I appreciate the good work.

I didnt use any source other than what u gave me..Now it seems like u r dumping ur own source..

India,though a strong nation now,was not that much strong back during 1979-80's.Still there was a mission which ran a hospital in Northern Afghanistan.
After 2001,India happened to be the biggest regional contributor to development in Afghanistan.
Below is an interesting article which u may refer to.
BBC NEWS | South Asia | India: Afghanistan's influential ally

I am also attaching a pdf file containing summary of all the developmental works done by India in Afghanistan which can be otherwise found in the website of the India Embassy in Kabul.

Assistance to Afghanistan

Perhaps you should look in this thread at the help that Pakistan has over these years provided Afghanistan.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/36464-pak-investment-afghanistan-hits-500-million.html

This is in addition the millions of refugees we have taken over the last 30 years.

BBC News - UN welcomes Pakistan's move on Afghan refugees

The impact of these refugees crippled our civil society but we have never been against this vocally or through any other means.

The Impact of Afghan Refugees on the Natural Resources of Pakistan - Panorama - TakingITGlobal

Today Karachi, our financial backbone is home to 30 million Pashtuns, substantial amount of whom who were Afghanis and now consider themselves to be Pakistani.

We have provided them with all that we can from our meagre resources.

 

[nForce]

Perhaps you should look in this thread at the help that Pakistan has over these years provided Afghanistan.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/36464-pak-investment-afghanistan-hits-500-million.html

This is in addition the millions of refugees we have taken over the last 30 years.

BBC News - UN welcomes Pakistan's move on Afghan refugees

The impact of these refugees crippled our civil society but we have never been against this vocally or through any other means.

The Impact of Afghan Refugees on the Natural Resources of Pakistan - Panorama - TakingITGlobal

Today Karachi, our financial backbone is home to 30 million Pashtuns, substantial amount of whom who were Afghanis and now consider themselves to be Pakistani.

We have provided them with all that we can from our meagre resources.

I again appreciate the good work.Infact I believe its a duty for bigger players in the region like India and Pakistan to help the war ravaged nation.

India has done little contributions as well...

India Pledges US$1.2 Billion Aid to Afghanistan

 

[T-Faz]

I again appreciate the good work.Infact I believe its a duty for bigger players in the region like India and Pakistan to help the war ravaged nation.

India has done little contributions as well...

India Pledges US$1.2 Billion Aid to Afghanistan

So why not work together and help make a greater difference because that is the only way that the country can stabilise and bring in much needed development for the people.

I believe that when Pakistan and India put their childish differences aside, a lot of succeses can be achieved that will help transform the region to the powerhouse of the world. It is it the Asian century, to achieve the inevitable quickly we need to work together now.

 

[jagjitnatt]

So why not work together and help make a greater difference because that is the only way that the country can stabilise and bring in much needed development for the people.

I believe that when Pakistan and India put their childish differences aside, a lot of succeses can be achieved that will help transform the region to the powerhouse of the world. It is it the Asian century, to achieve the inevitable quickly we need to work together now.

The only problem between the two countries is Kashmir and only God knows how much both countries have sacrificed for this state.

Instead fighting over the state, we can accept it the way it is now, part of it with Pak and the other with India, both happy. This will evaporate all differences.

Its silly destroying complete countries just for a state.

I hope the authorities in Pak can listen to me cause we in India are ready to live with it.

 

[Pakistani Man]

In the Pakistani Subcontinent both areas are equally strategic.

 

[Omar1984]

Of course Balochistan province of Pakistan is more strategically located than Afghanistan. There are no sea ports in Afghanistan, that country is located no where near the Arabian Sea or the Indian Ocean its a land-locked country.


Gwadar in Balochistan province of Pakistan is located on the southwestern coast of Pakistan, close to the important Straits of Hormuz, through which more than 13 million bpd of oil passes.

All areas of Pakistan are equally important and yes Balochistan is recognized by the UN and the entire international community as part of Pakistan while Kashmir is recognized by the UN and the international community as disputed territory.


By the way, its bad for this forum if more patriotic Pakistanis get banned like Pakistani Nationalist. I'm sorry to say this but each day this forum seems more like an indian forum because indians are bringing their propaganda against Pakistan here too.

 

[jagjitnatt]

By the way, its bad for this forum if more patriotic Pakistanis get banned like Pakistani Nationalist. I'm sorry to say this but each day this forum seems more like an indian forum because indians are bringing their propaganda against Pakistan here too.

Its not just pakistanis getting banned here.
I was suspended a week back, LCA Tejas is banned, Equiliz3r is banned, Jatt Indian is banned, Justin Joseph got banned and a whole lot more Indians got banned too.

There are a lot less pakistanis getting banned.

Patriotism is not what is required to be on the forum, its rational and logical thinking but it usually gets overshadowed by Patriotism. Just read my sig.

 

[nForce]

So why not work together and help make a greater difference because that is the only way that the country can stabilise and bring in much needed development for the people.

I believe that when Pakistan and India put their childish differences aside, a lot of succeses can be achieved that will help transform the region to the powerhouse of the world. It is it the Asian century, to achieve the inevitable quickly we need to work together now.

I would personally very much like that idea.Maybe,we will witness something like this in future.But we need to work hard for it.The years of state-sponsored propaganda have built a strong sense of mistrust towards each other among us.

Afghanistan maybe a good place to start,where the two countries may come together,for the sake of a common cause,if not for each other.
Economy is the key to stability of a nation.Proper economic co-operations in the form of trade can be beneficial.

I had this wild dream of usage of a common currency in the sub-continent(Afghanistan,Pakistan,India,Nepal,Bhutan,Bangladesh and Srilanka).China is too huge a economy to be a part of this initially.This would have paved the path for greater economic co-operation like European Union.Anyways,there are way too much differences in the present economic structure,rendering this idea not viable.I would like to hear some thoughts about it though..

 

[Windjammer]

By the way, its bad for this forum if more patriotic Pakistanis get banned like Pakistani Nationalist. I'm sorry to say this but each day this forum seems more like an indian forum because indians are bringing their propaganda against Pakistan here too.

As i have said before, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with any Indian member, this is not to say that none are credible, the dilemma prevails when they resort to their ploy tactics of jumping on the band wagon to try and corner the Pakistani member. I my self often find debating with a dozen of them at a time. The end result, thread getting derailed, the Indians becoming frivolous patting each other on the back. the language declines and it becomes free for all.
I don't know what standards do the Indian forums apply but some cleansing is indeed required here.

 

[Bushy]

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By the way, its bad for this forum if more patriotic Pakistanis get banned like Pakistani Nationalist. I'm sorry to say this but each day this forum seems more like an indian forum because indians are bringing their propaganda against Pakistan here too.

First of all, please do tell us how India is supporting the BLA, and if it is, then on what scale is it wrong? (The premise of Pakistani Nationalist)

And then... ah well, please do go and check what a low standard Pakistani Nationalist had set in this thread while discussing the problems posed by the BLA, if you have not already!

I am sure you will be aghast (if not, I am not surprised why not)... and despite that, he is merely suspended, and not banned. In my opinion, that's a severely low standard for the admins/Mods. Or perhaps, an acute dearth of mature people in Pakistan.

If you seriously think that Pakistani Nationalist was right, why don't you continue his argument, exactly in the same manner that he did? If you don't do that, then you really are not with him.
So, are you?

 

[desiman]

As i have said before, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with any Indian member, this is not to say that none are credible, the dilemma prevails when they resort to their ploy tactics of jumping on the band wagon to try and corner the Pakistani member. I my self often find debating with a dozen of them at a time. The end result, thread getting derailed, the Indians becoming frivolous patting each other on the back. the language declines and it becomes free for all.
I don't know what standards do the Indian forums apply but some cleansing is indeed required here.

it goes both ways windjammer, when the argument itself originates from outdated or hurtful articles, the thread is bound to get derailed. Pakistani members are no saints either, trolls are on both sides and classifying them as per their nationality is wrong