Is a civil war about to commence in South India?

[padamchen]

Yes. The temple follows Tantric tradition.

Yup I know that. Looking for some details into the philosophy, rituals, theology etc.

I'm not really interested in the woman thing. That is 100% the right of Hindus to decide.

Cheers, Doc

 

[manlion]

Not only in North , in every state we Celebrate Ram victory Over Ravan..and who the fck are you to comment on Hinduism and its beliefs.. you are just a Rice bag university graduate..you are jst a converted piece of Shiii...Now stop barking , fck off...

dont make an obscure blanket statement, be precise and provide the proof that in Tamilnadu, Dussehra (Vijayadasami) is the celebration of ram's slaying the asura king Ravana

FYI, Diwali in the north celebrates Ram's victory in south (Tamilnadu) its commemorates the death of Narakasura. The template is the same - replace krishna with ram and Narakasura with Ravana

Here, Diwali marks the death of Dravidian king Narakasura

According to a local belief, Narakasura was a Dravidian emperor who had ruled a massive kingdom that was destroyed in Aryan invasion.

“He was a nature-lover, a son of the soil. His death has to be mourned and his life should be commemorated,” said Naliganti Sharath, a student who participated in commemorating the Asura’s death, on the OU campus.

https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...-dravidian-king-narakasura/article7870968.ece

 

[M Boss]

dont make an obscure blanket statement, be precise and provide the proof that in Tamilnadu, Dussehra (Vijayadasami) is the celebration of ram's slaying the asura king Ravana

FYI, Diwali in the north celebrates Ram's victory in south (Tamilnadu) its commemorates the death of Narakasura. The template is the same - replace krishna with ram and Narakasura with Ravana

Here, Diwali marks the death of Dravidian king Narakasura

According to a local belief, Narakasura was a Dravidian emperor who had ruled a massive kingdom that was destroyed in Aryan invasion.

“He was a nature-lover, a son of the soil. His death has to be mourned and his life should be commemorated,” said Naliganti Sharath, a student who participated in commemorating the Asura’s death, on the OU campus.

https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...-dravidian-king-narakasura/article7870968.ece

'The Hindu' and 'Times of India' are treated as Sh its .... and the Auther of this article is your own vatican sh it , they know exactly how to spin off truth... and Krishna is not aryan, he was born in Mathura... Aryan Dravidian theory is a myth , it is one of those diseases invented by British Sh its....
and here is your 'Vijayadashami' link...
http://www.tamilselvi.com/vijayadashami.htm
Now stop barking and fck off.... bcz of D!ckheads like you, all your community is treated like sh it...Kerala is the only state in India where your types of Sh its are not available, they dont try to Brainwash others like you disgusting people ( Some are found in kerala also , but not all of them ) ....

 

[manlion]

'The Hindu' and 'Times of India' are treated as Sh its .... and the Auther of this article is your own vatican sh it , they know exactly how to spin off truth... and Krishna is not aryan, he was born in Mathura... Aryan Dravidian theory is a myth , it is one of those diseases invented by British Sh its....
and here is your 'Vijayadashami' link...
http://www.tamilselvi.com/vijayadashami.htm
Now stop barking and fck off.... bcz of D!ckheads like you, all your community is treated like sh it...Kerala is the only state in India where your types of Sh its are not available, they dont try to Brainwash others like you disgusting people ( Some are found in kerala also , but not all of them ) ....

your reply exposes your ignorance of regional cultural variation.


Vijayadashami is observed for different reasons and celebrated differently in various parts of the Indian subcontinent.[6][1][7][3] In the southern, eastern and northeastern states of India, Vijayadashami marks the end of Durga Puja, remembering goddess Durga's victory over the buffalo demon Mahishasura to help restore dharma.[3][8]In the northern and western states, the festival is synonymously called Dussehra (also spelled Dasara, Dashahara). In these regions, it marks the end of "Ramlila" and remembers God Rama's victory over the Ravana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayadashami

Tamils Dussehra

where does ram or Ravana feature in their Dussehra?

Now provide hard evidence of Tamils celebrating ram slaying ravana ?

you cant simply write off anything that challenges your version as British invention,

 

[M Boss]

your reply exposes your ignorance of regional cultural variation.


Vijayadashami is observed for different reasons and celebrated differently in various parts of the Indian subcontinent.[6][1][7][3] In the southern, eastern and northeastern states of India, Vijayadashami marks the end of Durga Puja, remembering goddess Durga's victory over the buffalo demon Mahishasura to help restore dharma.[3][8]In the northern and western states, the festival is synonymously called Dussehra (also spelled Dasara, Dashahara). In these regions, it marks the end of "Ramlila" and remembers God Rama's victory over the Ravana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayadashami

Vijayadasami (Dussehra) in Thailand which has a strong Tamil influence

Tamils Dussehra

where does ram or Ravana feature in their Dussehra?

Now provide hard evidence of Tamils celebrating ram slaying ravana ?

you cant simply write off anything that challenges your version which you cant refute as British invention,

1) Its in Karnataka

2) Its in Tamil nadu

3) Its in Telangana

4) Its in Jammu and Kashmir

5) Its in Assam

https://youtu.be/AWLHTKpyYVg

6) Its in Punjab

https://youtu.be/6gJUXRaKARI

7) Its in Jammu and Kashmir

https://youtu.be/3_HyzDHPakM

8) Amritsar, Punjab

https://youtu.be/aHAi94oU3jA

Now what else do you want ?? Now stop trying to Brainwash people like your missionaries do...

 

[manlion]

Vijayadashami in Thailand

 

[M Boss]

Vijayadashami in Thailand

Wtf are you trying to prove ?? go and consult some pshychiatrist..

 

[manlion]

1) Its in Karnataka

2) Its in Tamil nadu

3) Its in Telangana

4) Its in Jammu and Kashmir

5) Its in Assam

6) Its in Punjab

Now what else do you want ?? Now stop trying to Brainwash people like your missionaries do...

I clearly specified and asked for Tamils celebrating ram slaying Ravana not telugus, assam , punjab etc

Hinduism for kids - Origin of Deepavali in south of India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8e00lWyM6M

Wtf are you trying to prove ?? go and consult some pshychiatrist..

that was to show that ram lila is celebrated by racist anti Tamil Northie not others e,g Thais , now show Tamils burning Ravana during Dussehra , thank you

 

[M Boss]

I clearly specified and asked for Tamils celebrating ram slaying Ravana not telugus, assam , punjab etc

Hinduism for kids - Origin of Deepavali in south of India

Tamil nadu

that was to show that ram lila is celebrated by racist anti Tamil Northie not others e,g Thais , now show Tamils burning Ravana during Dussehra , thank you

Tamil nadu, Krishna victory over Narakasura

 

[manlion]

Tamil nadu

Tamil nadu, Krishna victory over Narakasura

do Tamils burn Naraka sura effigy on deepavali ? The issue is your highlighted claim, where is the Tamilnadu evidence to back up your spurious claim

Not only in North , in every state we Celebrate Ram victory Over Ravan..and who the fck are you to comment on Hinduism and its beliefs.. you are just a Rice bag university graduate..you are jst a converted piece of Shiii...Now stop barking , fck off...

Clashes as Indian temple prepares to accept women
Nilackal (India) (AFP) - Clashes erupted in India on Wednesday as traditionalists tried to stop women visiting one of Hinduism's most sacred temples, with police waving batons charging stone-throwing protestors.

Devotees opposed to allowing women into the Lord Ayyappa temple at Sabarimala in the southern state of Kerala earlier surrounded and intimidated journalists, including one from AFP.

Two other female journalists were reportedly injured. Even before the police charge, several people had blood streaming down their faces, suggesting further clashes had taken place.

Last month India's Supreme Court overturned a ban on all females of menstruating age -- judged between 10 and 50 -- entering and praying at the hilltop temple.

This enraged traditionalists, including supporters of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), with thousands protesting in the days before the scheduled opening on Wednesday afternoon.

Kerala's state government said it would enforce the court ruling and deployed 500 extra police to ensure free access to the remote complex, which is reached by an uphill trek that takes several hours.

At Nilackal, a base camp below the temple, police cleared protestors early Wednesday morning and arrested seven people who were stopping vehicles.

"Anyone who wants to go to the temple will be able to do so without hindrance," said police chief Manoj Abraham.

"Stern action will be taken against anyone who prevents devotees from going to Sabarimala," Kerala's Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan said on Tuesday.

- Turned back -

One 45-year old woman identified as Madhavi who wanted to enter the temple for the first time abandoned her attempt after activists prevented her climbing the hill, the Press Trust of India reported.

Even though police gave the woman and her family protection and allowed them to move further, they gave up as agitated activists surrounded them, PTI reported.

Biju S. Pillai, a local man in his 30s, was one of those opposed to the court ruling, telling AFP that he returned from working in Dubai to "protect the sanctity of the temple" with his mother and young son.

"No one should be able to change the way this temple has functioned for centuries," he said. "If any change is made they will have to kill us and go over our bodies."

"I am here to protest the Supreme Court decision," said engineer Anisha S., 23, one of a group chanting religious slogans. "We want to save our traditions. Ayyappa needs to be respected."

- 'Impure' -

Women are permitted to enter most Hindu temples but female devotees are still barred from entry by some.

Two years ago, activists successfully campaigned to end a ban on women entering the Shani Shingnapur temple in Maharashtra state.

Women were also permitted to enter Mumbai's Haji Ali Dargah mausoleum, a Muslim place of worship, after the Supreme Court scrapped a ban in 2016.

The entry of women at Sabarimala was long taboo but was formalised by the Kerala High Court in 1991, a ruling overturned by India's Supreme Court last month.

The restriction reflected an old but still prevalent belief among many that menstruating women are impure, and the fact that the deity Ayyappa was reputed to have been celibate.

The Sabarimala chief priest, Kandararu Maheshwararu Tantri, 25, warned this week that "anger could easily escalate into violence if a few egotistical women try to enter".

"I say ego because no devotee who has faith in Sabarimala will try to break the 2,100-year-old rule... Moreover, there are other Ayyappa temples women can visit," the Times of India quoted him as saying.

He claimed to have the support of several "scientists" that concurred with the view that the "positive energy" in a temple can be polluted by the entry of menstruating women.

burs-bb/stu/gle

 

[M Boss]

do Tamils burn Naraka sura effigy on deepavali ? The issue is your highlighted claim, where is the Tamilnadu evidence to back up your spurious claim

Did i say everyone will burn ravana ? I said we all celebrate Ram victory over Ravan, ...
Coming to you, First you said Krishna victory over Naraksura is not celebrated in tamil nadu , now you are saying they clebrate but do not burn narakasura, you are mentally retarded sh it...... not everyone will burn and celebrate....During Dasara in some regions 'Krishna victory over naraksura' is Highlighted , in some regions 'Durga' is Highlighted and in some regions 'Ram victory over Ravan' is highlighted.....
and how is burning Ravana is Racism?? Ravana was a Brahmin , Ravan was Shiva's devotee, Ravan had knowledge of Vedas , Ravana was the greatest scholar....
Now You mentally retarded Sh it, go and consult some pshychiatrist...

do Tamils burn Naraka sura effigy on deepavali ? The issue is your highlighted claim, where is the Tamilnadu evidence to back up your spurious claim



Clashes as Indian temple prepares to accept women
Nilackal (India) (AFP) - Clashes erupted in India on Wednesday as traditionalists tried to stop women visiting one of Hinduism's most sacred temples, with police waving batons charging stone-throwing protestors.

Devotees opposed to allowing women into the Lord Ayyappa temple at Sabarimala in the southern state of Kerala earlier surrounded and intimidated journalists, including one from AFP.

Two other female journalists were reportedly injured. Even before the police charge, several people had blood streaming down their faces, suggesting further clashes had taken place.

Last month India's Supreme Court overturned a ban on all females of menstruating age -- judged between 10 and 50 -- entering and praying at the hilltop temple.

This enraged traditionalists, including supporters of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), with thousands protesting in the days before the scheduled opening on Wednesday afternoon.

Kerala's state government said it would enforce the court ruling and deployed 500 extra police to ensure free access to the remote complex, which is reached by an uphill trek that takes several hours.

At Nilackal, a base camp below the temple, police cleared protestors early Wednesday morning and arrested seven people who were stopping vehicles.

"Anyone who wants to go to the temple will be able to do so without hindrance," said police chief Manoj Abraham.

"Stern action will be taken against anyone who prevents devotees from going to Sabarimala," Kerala's Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan said on Tuesday.

- Turned back -

One 45-year old woman identified as Madhavi who wanted to enter the temple for the first time abandoned her attempt after activists prevented her climbing the hill, the Press Trust of India reported.

Even though police gave the woman and her family protection and allowed them to move further, they gave up as agitated activists surrounded them, PTI reported.

Biju S. Pillai, a local man in his 30s, was one of those opposed to the court ruling, telling AFP that he returned from working in Dubai to "protect the sanctity of the temple" with his mother and young son.

"No one should be able to change the way this temple has functioned for centuries," he said. "If any change is made they will have to kill us and go over our bodies."

"I am here to protest the Supreme Court decision," said engineer Anisha S., 23, one of a group chanting religious slogans. "We want to save our traditions. Ayyappa needs to be respected."

- 'Impure' -

Women are permitted to enter most Hindu temples but female devotees are still barred from entry by some.

Two years ago, activists successfully campaigned to end a ban on women entering the Shani Shingnapur temple in Maharashtra state.

Women were also permitted to enter Mumbai's Haji Ali Dargah mausoleum, a Muslim place of worship, after the Supreme Court scrapped a ban in 2016.

The entry of women at Sabarimala was long taboo but was formalised by the Kerala High Court in 1991, a ruling overturned by India's Supreme Court last month.

The restriction reflected an old but still prevalent belief among many that menstruating women are impure, and the fact that the deity Ayyappa was reputed to have been celibate.

The Sabarimala chief priest, Kandararu Maheshwararu Tantri, 25, warned this week that "anger could easily escalate into violence if a few egotistical women try to enter".

"I say ego because no devotee who has faith in Sabarimala will try to break the 2,100-year-old rule... Moreover, there are other Ayyappa temples women can visit," the Times of India quoted him as saying.

He claimed to have the support of several "scientists" that concurred with the view that the "positive energy" in a temple can be polluted by the entry of menstruating women.

burs-bb/stu/gle

I dont know whether you are Madrasa graduate or Rice bag university graduate... Now stop Barking you Mentally retarded .. Go and consult some Pshyciatrist....

 

[manlion]

Did i say everyone will burn ravana ? I said we all celebrate Ram victory over Ravan, ...
Coming to you, First you said Krishna victory over Naraksura is not celebrated in tamil nadu , now you are saying they clebrate but do not burn narakasura, you are mentally retarded sh it...... not everyone will burn and celebrate....During Dasara in some regions 'Krishna victory over naraksura' is Highlighted , in some regions 'Durga' is Highlighted and in some regions 'Ram victory over Ravan' is highlighted.....

refer post #62 , what I wrote

FYI, Diwali in the north celebrates Ram's victory in south (Tamilnadu) its commemorates the death of Narakasura. The template is the same - replace krishna with ram and Narakasura with Ravana

Deepavali was requested by Naraka sura (if one is to believe the Bhagavata Purana )

Before Narakasura's death, he requested a boon from his mother, Satyabhama, that everyone should celebrate his death with colorful light. Thus this day is celebrated as 'Naraka Chaturdashi' - the day before Diwali.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narakasura

and how is burning Ravana is Racism?? Ravana was a Brahmin , Ravan was Shiva's devotee, Ravan had knowledge of Vedas , Ravana was the greatest scholar....
Now You mentally retarded Sh it, go and consult some pshychiatrist...

refer to post #53

back to topic, wheres the evidence - Tamils celebrating ram's victory over Ravana ?

 

[M Boss]

refer post #62 , what I wrote



Deepavali was requested by Naraka sura (if one is to believe the Bhagavata Purana )

Before Narakasura's death, he requested a boon from his mother, Satyabhama, that everyone should celebrate his death with colorful light. Thus this day is celebrated as 'Naraka Chaturdashi' - the day before Diwali.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narakasura



refer to post #53

back to topic, wheres the evidence - Tamils celebrating ram's victory over Ravana ?

Satyabhama with Krishna's help killed Narakasura.... his death is celebrated not Birthday , its celebrated everywhere in India..
Coming to Ravan, Everyone doesnot celebrate publicly or for Publicity ... See #71 Post, In Tamil nadu region 'Krishna victory over Narakasura' is highlighted...
and now stop checking my patience with your Bull sh its , you are repeating same thing again and again even after i have answered...

 

[manlion]

Satyabhama with Krishna's help killed Narakasura.... his death is celebrated not Birthday , its celebrated everywhere in India..
Coming to Ravan, Everyone doesnot celebrate publicly or for Publicity ... See #71 Post, In Tamil nadu region 'Krishna victory over Narakasura' is highlighted...
and now stop checking my patience with your Bull sh its , you are repeating same thing again and again even after i have answered...

North Aryan war lords (ram/krishna) were elevated to godhood through the invention of puranas/ithihasa to legitimise their crime against humanity as a war between good and evil.

To majority of Tamils, Ravana is their king and hero

Here, Diwali marks the death of Dravidian king Narakasura
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...-dravidian-king-narakasura/article7870968.ece

FYI, Deepavali (or Dussehra) is a recent imported festival that was imposed on Tamils, theres no mention of deepavali being celebrated by Tamil in sangam literature


Festivals[edit]

• 
  
  
  • Pongal (பொங்கல்) the festival of harvest and spring, thanking Lord El (the sun), comes on January 14/15 (Thai 1).
  • Peru Vaenil Kadavizha, the festival for wishing quick and easy passage of the mid-summer months, on the day when the Sun or El stands directly above the head at noon (the start of Agni Natchaththiram) at the southern tip of ancient Tamil land. This day comes on April 14/15 (Chithirai 1).
  • Mazhai Vizhavu, aka Indhira Vizha, the festival for want of rain, celebrated for one full month starting from the full moon in Ootrai (later name-Cittirai) சித்திரை and completed on the full moon in Puyaazhi (Vaikaasi) (which coincides with Buddhapurnima). It is epitomised in the epic Cilapatikaram in detail.
  • Puyaazhi (Vaikaasi) visaagam and Thai poosam, தைப்பூசம் the festivals of Tamil God [Muruga]'s birth and accession to the Thirupparankundram Koodal Academy, coming on the day before the full moons of Puyaazhi and Thai respectively.
  • Soornavai Vizha, the slaying of legendary Kadamba Asura king Surabadma, by Lord [Muruga], comes on the sixth day after new moon in Itrai (Kaarthigai). It is sung about in Thirumurugatrupadai and Purananuru anthology.
  • Vaadai Vizha or Vadavazhi Vizha, the festival of welcoming the Lord Surya back to home, as He turns northward, celebrated on December 21/22 (Winter Solstice) (the sixth day of Panmizh[Maargazhi]). It is sung about in Akanauru anthology.
  • Semmeen Ezhumin Vizhavu (Aathi-Iřai Darisanam) or Aruthra Darishanam, the occasion of Lord Siva coming down from the ThiruCitrambalamதிருச்சிற்றம்பலம் and taking a look at the Vaigarai Thiru Aathirai star in the early morning on the day before the full moon in Panmizh. Aathi Irai min means the star of the God (Siva) on the Bull (Nandi).
  • Thiruonam or Onam, the birthday of Mayon (Lord Vishnu), thiruonam is a group of stars which are bright together and resemble like an eagle. Lord Vishnu's mount is Garuda (eagle), so the day was considered as the birthday of Lord Vishnu by the people of Pandya kingdom and was celebrated for 10 days. That was mentioned in '[Maduraikanji]' one of the 'Pathupaatu' book, 'Thirupallandu' by Periyazhwar and from the song of Thirugnanasambandhar in Thevaram. On this day, Keralites celebrate Onam as the state's harvest festival. Onam is observed for 10 days, ending in Thiruvonam (or Thirounam).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangam_period

 

[M Boss]

North Aryan war lords (ram/krishna) were elevated to godhood through the invention of puranas/ithihasa to legitimise their crime against humanity as a war between good and evil.

To majority of Tamils, Ravana is their king and hero

Here, Diwali marks the death of Dravidian king Narakasura
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...-dravidian-king-narakasura/article7870968.ece

FYI, Deepavali is an recent imported festival that was imposed on Tamils, theres no mention of deepavali being celebrated by Tamil in sangam literature


Festivals[edit]

• 
  
  
  • Pongal (பொங்கல்) the festival of harvest and spring, thanking Lord El (the sun), comes on January 14/15 (Thai 1).
  • Peru Vaenil Kadavizha, the festival for wishing quick and easy passage of the mid-summer months, on the day when the Sun or El stands directly above the head at noon (the start of Agni Natchaththiram) at the southern tip of ancient Tamil land. This day comes on April 14/15 (Chithirai 1).
  • Mazhai Vizhavu, aka Indhira Vizha, the festival for want of rain, celebrated for one full month starting from the full moon in Ootrai (later name-Cittirai) சித்திரை and completed on the full moon in Puyaazhi (Vaikaasi) (which coincides with Buddhapurnima). It is epitomised in the epic Cilapatikaram in detail.
  • Puyaazhi (Vaikaasi) visaagam and Thai poosam, தைப்பூசம் the festivals of Tamil God [Muruga]'s birth and accession to the Thirupparankundram Koodal Academy, coming on the day before the full moons of Puyaazhi and Thai respectively.
  • Soornavai Vizha, the slaying of legendary Kadamba Asura king Surabadma, by Lord [Muruga], comes on the sixth day after new moon in Itrai (Kaarthigai). It is sung about in Thirumurugatrupadai and Purananuru anthology.
  • Vaadai Vizha or Vadavazhi Vizha, the festival of welcoming the Lord Surya back to home, as He turns northward, celebrated on December 21/22 (Winter Solstice) (the sixth day of Panmizh[Maargazhi]). It is sung about in Akanauru anthology.
  • Semmeen Ezhumin Vizhavu (Aathi-Iřai Darisanam) or Aruthra Darishanam, the occasion of Lord Siva coming down from the ThiruCitrambalamதிருச்சிற்றம்பலம் and taking a look at the Vaigarai Thiru Aathirai star in the early morning on the day before the full moon in Panmizh. Aathi Irai min means the star of the God (Siva) on the Bull (Nandi).
  • Thiruonam or Onam, the birthday of Mayon (Lord Vishnu), thiruonam is a group of stars which are bright together and resemble like an eagle. Lord Vishnu's mount is Garuda (eagle), so the day was considered as the birthday of Lord Vishnu by the people of Pandya kingdom and was celebrated for 10 days. That was mentioned in '[Maduraikanji]' one of the 'Pathupaatu' book, 'Thirupallandu' by Periyazhwar and from the song of Thirugnanasambandhar in Thevaram. On this day, Keralites celebrate Onam as the state's harvest festival. Onam is observed for 10 days, ending in Thiruvonam (or Thirounam).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangam_period

Anyone can edit Wikipedia, your caption and the content doesnt match...
In Tamil nadu there is 'Rameshwaram' not 'Ravaneshwaram'..
Now stop your Bull sh its and Fck off... You are either a Madrasa graduate or Rice Bag university Graduate...No one gives a fck about your Community unless you stop trying Brain washing people...
Now jst fck off..