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Fair. Their has been a great deal of media manipulation of the public mind. The running joke here is Iran is 3 weeks from a nuclear bomb for 20 years now (according to “western intel”)
https://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2010/12/phantom-menace-fantasies-falsehoods-and.html

There is the timeline of Iran "nuke predictions" from 1984 to 2013 including all articles and the "western intel anonymous sources" outlets

Be careful it may take 4 or 5 hour to read, and this is just from 1984 to 2013, the page would be doubled or tripled from 2013 to now
 
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From who's perspective ?!

We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government .... This make it a regime for us

This is probably why you've no problem attacking the IR in practically every post.

And why expression of criticism, nay verbal diatribe against the establishment including in the public sphere, happen to be the single most popular pastime among the oppositionist crowd - with no fear of prosecution whatsoever. I've lived in Iran for some time, interacted with the cab drivers who'll start nagging and calling Iranian authorities names from the moment one steps into their cars, and I've also seen those who'll direct vile insults at members of government.

Furthermore I read Iranian media and follow the competition between political camps from time to time, where mutual criticism is the norm.

You can tell someone who doesn't know the first thing about political life in Iran that no contradictory debate is taking place or worse, that criticizing the government will get one "killed" - not to me because I'm not ignorant of the subject.
 
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We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government
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From who's perspective ?!

We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government .... This make it a regime for us
Your high pitched quackery is amusing…! 😅
 
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From who's perspective ?!

We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government .... This make it a regime for us
Us who?

Remember Assange? He was the most wanted man of USA for telling the truth not because of shitting all over the country. The few criminals in Iran who drived their car into police gathering killing and injuring dozens of them were not looking for freedom or whatever you call that nonsense.

In USA, even if you raise your hands in front of a policeman, the policeman is still allowed to shoot the hell out of you for his own safety. And you compare that with Iran where policemen are getting hit in the Middle of streets? Your problem is law, for people like you living in deserts or jungles is the best option for there is no law and you are free to live like Ahsham.
 
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man tehranam,

ba dollar = 60 hezar´e emrooz.

average income alan inja 4 millione, (bishtare doostam 3-5 million dar miaran)

yani ye irani dar tehran alan taghriban 50-80 dollar dar mah dar miare. :cry:

ma alan faghirtarim as adamaie baghdad.

Dolatemoon = Bi Gheirat.

Dolatemoon
= in video (Divane khane ,sheytann , Zionisti, Yahoodi = Dolate ma )

 
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man tehranam,

ba dollar = 60 hezar´e emrooz.

average income alan inja 4 millione, (bishtare doostam 3-5 million dar miaran)

yani ye irani dar tehran alan taghriban 50-80 dollar dar mah dar miare. :cry:

ma alan faghirtarim as adamaie baghdad.

Dolatemoon = Bi Gheirat.

Dolatemoon
= in video (Divane khane ,sheytann , Zionisti, Yahoodi = Dolate ma )

How do you live?
 
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From who's perspective ?!

We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government .... This make it a regime for us
Have you discussed this issue with your mental care. I suppose the
#زنیکه-جندگی-قرتی بازی dosages need to b adjusted. Trying to be a friend.😀
 
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From who's perspective ?!

We are afraid for our lives to express any public criticism against your supposed legitimate government .... This make it a regime for us

man tehranam,

ba dollar = 60 hezar´e emrooz.

average income alan inja 4 millione, (bishtare doostam 3-5 million dar miaran)

yani ye irani dar tehran alan taghriban 50-80 dollar dar mah dar miare. :cry:

ma alan faghirtarim as adamaie baghdad.

Dolatemoon = Bi Gheirat.

Dolatemoon
= in video (Divane khane ,sheytann , Zionisti, Yahoodi = Dolate ma )



Perhaps you should help each other and share best practices. I made a suggestion that I believe can be helpful.
 
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I appreciate the economic situation in Iran is quite terrible and probably does not lend itself well to comparisons with developed European countries. That said, it is worth noting that the average age of a first time property buyer in London is now almost 40 years old (meaning having to work for c. 20 years before being able to purchase). By comparison, 9 years does not seem so bad at all (although you will probably say that you are far more fortunate than the average Iranian and 9 years is no longer achievable for even the upper quartile of Iranians).
i'm not that young , remember i was studying for 23 year till i graduate from university so i'm not that younger than average Londoners, and yes I'm part of the lucky ones.
 
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Does Iran plan to buy SU-57 also!

Russia’s Early Plans for the Su-57: Over 100 Operational By 2022, New Variants and Exports to South Korea, Iran and India​


Military Watch Magazine Editorial Staff
October-2nd-2022


Su-57 Next Generation Fighters

Su-57 Next Generation Fighters

Russia’s Su-57 fifth generation fighter program has become a prominent symbol of delays and a struggle to move past Soviet era designs in the country’s defence sector, with the the first full squadron expected to be fielded only in 2024 while only six airframes have been delivered so far. While the Soviet Union began development of a fifth generation fighter over 40 years ago in the late 1970s, and was expected to have a technology demonstrator flying before 1995 and an operational fighter in 2000-2005, the state’s disintegration and near collapse of the Russian defence and broader tech sectors led to very significant delays in development. The result was the cancellation of the promising MiG 1.42 program and the privately funded and less advanced Su-47, and work on the new Su-57 which first flew in 2010 and was expected to enter service in 2015. Initial projections were for a fleet of 50 to be operational by 2020 and 200 by 2025, with the production numbers being significantly larger still as many airframes went to foreign clients. An infographic released by Sukhoi showed how the program was initially projected to evolve, with particularly notable insights into which countries were expected to be leading export clients and when new variants of the aircraft were expected to materialise.


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Russian Air Force Su-57

It was initially projected that the Indian Air Force would be the first overseas client for the Su-57 as part of the FGFA program - a joint effort to develop a customised version with significant Indian technological inputs. These would begin delivery around 2017, with the last of the 144 units planned for Indian service joining the fleet around 2023. The second export client for the class was expected to be South Korea, which would acquire 20 fighters from 2018-2020 modified with Korean avionics. This came as the country had shown a significant interest in Russian fighters after the Soviet collapse, most notably the MiG-29 and Su-37 in the 1990s, which would complement its acquisitions of Russian tanks, air defence systems, ballistic missile technologies and other assets. U.S. pressure on Seoul was ultimately key to limiting defence ties from the 1990s, although the East Asian state would continue to acquire Russian technologies through transfer agreements which were less conspicuous than hardware acquisitions. The possibility of South Korean interest in the Su-57 in the late 2010s was not unthinkable at the beginning of the decade, particularly as U.S influence over the country appeared to wane and Korean trade with China came to far surpass that with the United States.

A third export client expected to procure 20 units of Su-57s from 2020 was Iran, which had shown an interest in high performance Russian interceptors in the past and fielded MiG-29 and Su-24M fourth generation jets purchased from the Soviet Union. The delayed date for Iranian purchases may have reflected concerns surrounding the UN arms embargo on the country, which expired only in 2020. Beyond these sales, Sukhoi also projected that a new fifth generation fighter derived from the Su-57 with a twin seat configuration would begin deliveries to the Indian Air Force in 2020, with 40 delivery between then and 2022, while the Russian Air Force would acquired 20 for its own use from 2021-2023. The derivative could mirror the development of the Su-30 based on the Su-27 airframe in the previous generation, potentially with an extended range and greater focus on command and control.



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Sukhoi Infographic Projecting Su-57 Production and Sales

Delays to the Su-57 program mean the Russian Air Force is expected to acquire considerably fewer in the near term, and instead of transitioning to the class from the Cold War era Su-27 it has instead acquired over 128 Su-35s with more still on order. These represent significantly enhanced Su-27 derivatives with next generation engines, sensors, composite materials and avionics, which while overwhelmingly more capable are still far inferior to the Su-57 itself. Russia is still seeking to export the Su-57 today, although the nature of its client base has changed significantly. Initial hopes for sales to China were scuppered by the country’s rapid progress on its own fifth generation program the J-20, which is similarly a twin engine heavyweight design that has been produced in over 20 times the numbers of its Russian competitor and is in many respects more capable. India meanwhile pulled out of the FGFA agreement, although it is still considered a leading potential client potentially for license production or for off the shelf purchases with military leaders having expressed interest in both options. Iran also remains a possible client although it has more recently shown an interest in the Su-35 which could potentially be delivered much more quickly.
In South Korea's case delays to the Su-57 program allowed the country to develop its own fifth generation fighter class the KF-21 which first flew in 2022 and is expected to enter service around 2027. Although far lighter and less ambitious than that Russia would have offered, the KF-21 program is expected to leave little room for further fifth generation fighter acquisitions despite growing ties between Seoul and Moscow in other fields. The possibility of Su-57 technologies being transferred to enhance the KF-21, however, remains significant and has several precedents in other Korean weapons programs.


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Su-57 Launches Cruise Missile in Combat Over Syria

Looking to other possible clients North Korea, although potentially highly interested and able to finance an acquisition, remains under a UN embargo which Russia is unlikely to risk violating as openly as a heavyweight fighter sale would require. Algeria on the other hand in the 2010s emerged as a leading client for Russian arms acquiring over 70 Su-30MKA fighters among other assets, with widespread reports and multiple indications from within the African state highlighting it could be one of the Su-57’s first clients. In Vietnam, too, local papers have repeatedly highlighted the high likelihood of an acquisition in the 2030s. Russian official sources have confirmed that a twin seat variant is under development mainly for export markets as initially envisaged, meaning the Su-57 could well prove successful and be widely deployed albeit a decade or more later than initially scheduled. This would still place Russia far ahead of its European rivals in moving past the fourth generation, but far behind China or the United States which deployed their first full strength fifth generation squadrons in 2017 and 2005 respectively. The Su-57 program highlights Russia’s struggle to pursue clean sheet fighter programs at anywhere near the rate the Soviet Union did, and the dangers of major delays both to the capabilities of one’s own air force and to one’s market share overseas. The program neverthless retains a number of strengths including its status as the only heavyweight fighter of its generation offered for export and the only one to have used standoff precision strike capabilities in combat - having been deployed against both state and non-state adversaries.
 
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Does Iran plan to buy SU-57 also!

Russia’s Early Plans for the Su-57: Over 100 Operational By 2022, New Variants and Exports to South Korea, Iran and India​


Military Watch Magazine Editorial Staff
October-2nd-2022


Su-57 Next Generation Fighters

Su-57 Next Generation Fighters

Russia’s Su-57 fifth generation fighter program has become a prominent symbol of delays and a struggle to move past Soviet era designs in the country’s defence sector, with the the first full squadron expected to be fielded only in 2024 while only six airframes have been delivered so far. While the Soviet Union began development of a fifth generation fighter over 40 years ago in the late 1970s, and was expected to have a technology demonstrator flying before 1995 and an operational fighter in 2000-2005, the state’s disintegration and near collapse of the Russian defence and broader tech sectors led to very significant delays in development. The result was the cancellation of the promising MiG 1.42 program and the privately funded and less advanced Su-47, and work on the new Su-57 which first flew in 2010 and was expected to enter service in 2015. Initial projections were for a fleet of 50 to be operational by 2020 and 200 by 2025, with the production numbers being significantly larger still as many airframes went to foreign clients. An infographic released by Sukhoi showed how the program was initially projected to evolve, with particularly notable insights into which countries were expected to be leading export clients and when new variants of the aircraft were expected to materialise.


article_631f321b154ce8_10010931.jpeg

Russian Air Force Su-57

It was initially projected that the Indian Air Force would be the first overseas client for the Su-57 as part of the FGFA program - a joint effort to develop a customised version with significant Indian technological inputs. These would begin delivery around 2017, with the last of the 144 units planned for Indian service joining the fleet around 2023. The second export client for the class was expected to be South Korea, which would acquire 20 fighters from 2018-2020 modified with Korean avionics. This came as the country had shown a significant interest in Russian fighters after the Soviet collapse, most notably the MiG-29 and Su-37 in the 1990s, which would complement its acquisitions of Russian tanks, air defence systems, ballistic missile technologies and other assets. U.S. pressure on Seoul was ultimately key to limiting defence ties from the 1990s, although the East Asian state would continue to acquire Russian technologies through transfer agreements which were less conspicuous than hardware acquisitions. The possibility of South Korean interest in the Su-57 in the late 2010s was not unthinkable at the beginning of the decade, particularly as U.S influence over the country appeared to wane and Korean trade with China came to far surpass that with the United States.

A third export client expected to procure 20 units of Su-57s from 2020 was Iran, which had shown an interest in high performance Russian interceptors in the past and fielded MiG-29 and Su-24M fourth generation jets purchased from the Soviet Union. The delayed date for Iranian purchases may have reflected concerns surrounding the UN arms embargo on the country, which expired only in 2020. Beyond these sales, Sukhoi also projected that a new fifth generation fighter derived from the Su-57 with a twin seat configuration would begin deliveries to the Indian Air Force in 2020, with 40 delivery between then and 2022, while the Russian Air Force would acquired 20 for its own use from 2021-2023. The derivative could mirror the development of the Su-30 based on the Su-27 airframe in the previous generation, potentially with an extended range and greater focus on command and control.



article_631f330a6c6089_20923362.jpg

Sukhoi Infographic Projecting Su-57 Production and Sales

Delays to the Su-57 program mean the Russian Air Force is expected to acquire considerably fewer in the near term, and instead of transitioning to the class from the Cold War era Su-27 it has instead acquired over 128 Su-35s with more still on order. These represent significantly enhanced Su-27 derivatives with next generation engines, sensors, composite materials and avionics, which while overwhelmingly more capable are still far inferior to the Su-57 itself. Russia is still seeking to export the Su-57 today, although the nature of its client base has changed significantly. Initial hopes for sales to China were scuppered by the country’s rapid progress on its own fifth generation program the J-20, which is similarly a twin engine heavyweight design that has been produced in over 20 times the numbers of its Russian competitor and is in many respects more capable. India meanwhile pulled out of the FGFA agreement, although it is still considered a leading potential client potentially for license production or for off the shelf purchases with military leaders having expressed interest in both options. Iran also remains a possible client although it has more recently shown an interest in the Su-35 which could potentially be delivered much more quickly.
In South Korea's case delays to the Su-57 program allowed the country to develop its own fifth generation fighter class the KF-21 which first flew in 2022 and is expected to enter service around 2027. Although far lighter and less ambitious than that Russia would have offered, the KF-21 program is expected to leave little room for further fifth generation fighter acquisitions despite growing ties between Seoul and Moscow in other fields. The possibility of Su-57 technologies being transferred to enhance the KF-21, however, remains significant and has several precedents in other Korean weapons programs.


article_631f334c38e243_17013312.jpg

Su-57 Launches Cruise Missile in Combat Over Syria

Looking to other possible clients North Korea, although potentially highly interested and able to finance an acquisition, remains under a UN embargo which Russia is unlikely to risk violating as openly as a heavyweight fighter sale would require. Algeria on the other hand in the 2010s emerged as a leading client for Russian arms acquiring over 70 Su-30MKA fighters among other assets, with widespread reports and multiple indications from within the African state highlighting it could be one of the Su-57’s first clients. In Vietnam, too, local papers have repeatedly highlighted the high likelihood of an acquisition in the 2030s. Russian official sources have confirmed that a twin seat variant is under development mainly for export markets as initially envisaged, meaning the Su-57 could well prove successful and be widely deployed albeit a decade or more later than initially scheduled. This would still place Russia far ahead of its European rivals in moving past the fourth generation, but far behind China or the United States which deployed their first full strength fifth generation squadrons in 2017 and 2005 respectively. The Su-57 program highlights Russia’s struggle to pursue clean sheet fighter programs at anywhere near the rate the Soviet Union did, and the dangers of major delays both to the capabilities of one’s own air force and to one’s market share overseas. The program neverthless retains a number of strengths including its status as the only heavyweight fighter of its generation offered for export and the only one to have used standoff precision strike capabilities in combat - having been deployed against both state and non-state adversaries.

That article is a whole lot of nothing.

There is no indication yet that SU-57 has reached a final build. They are still doing upgrades with each one they build.

Skeptical Russia would sell this to anyone let alone Iran.

I think SU-75 checkmate could be a more feasible alternative for Iran, if military relations continue to improve with Russia. (A BIG IF)
 
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That article is a whole lot of nothing.

There is no indication yet that SU-57 has reached a final build. They are still doing upgrades with each one they build.

Skeptical Russia would sell this to anyone let alone Iran.

I think SU-75 checkmate could be a more feasible alternative for Iran, if military relations continue to improve with Russia. (A BIG IF)
You may be right but if you look at sukhoi info graphic you can see the Iranian version on top right hand of the photo..so the company at some time in the past had some plans for Iran..
 
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You may be right but if you look at sukhoi info graphic you can see the Iranian version on top right hand of the photo..so the company at some time in the past had some plans for Iran..

I have seen that info graphic containing Iran both here and elsewhere and I’m pretty sure it was fake. Not officially from Sukhoi is what I remember. Aka Fan art.

Iran is a large potential customer. Would be foolish of them not to take it.

Russia is very picky with their arms. Politics comes before profit.

The Ukraine war and subsequent sanctions has severely impacted the Russia supply chain. I am curious if SU-57 (and SU-35) relied on any % of parts/components/raw materials from the West. They likely did. Even Iran uses western components in some of their arms production.
 
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