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[yugocrosrb95]

Iran doesn't have currency to afford such since west and its allies locked them out of their foreign reserves.

At minimum Iran should acquire transfer of technology and manufacturing tools for AL-222 turbofan engine with model that has afterburner then redesign F-5E to turn it into single engine fighter with AL-222 as its engine thus move rear landing gears into the main body just like Qaher-313 for which wings can be simpler and lighter as too stronger wing since not compromissed by landing gear being in the wing like world war 2 fighters.

Some performance characteristics will be sacrificed with AL-222, but clean range would be close to double hence below 1800km and above 1600km.

 

[Ich]

The SU-35 would be like the tip of the spear, cream of the crop, while 50-100X SU-30s would be the mainstay/workhorse of the airforce.

Perhaps Iran will receive technology transfers and build SU-30s under license while SU-35s will be purchased outright ?

That would be great.

Iran should look into also purchasing the Checkmate fighter jet, S-400 and Armata tank. S-400 however should only be purchased with the software codes provided.

I see no need for that.

A few dozen Mi-24s with technology transfers would also be excellent. Helicopter parts and tech transfers for the latest tank power pack, vital helicopter components would also be a good buy for Iran.

In the end only time will tell. Let's wait and see.

Yes.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Pakistan's interior minister announced purchase of J-10.

I don't know Urdu hence I can't comment on this, if any Pakistani sees this reply, please confirm or deny.

If true, wonder if Iran may take another look at J-10 since it was rumored that Iran at one point considered acquiring it... But wasn't satisfied.

 

[sha ah]

This is Pakistan's response to India's acquisition of the Rafales. The arms race continues.

What I've heard is that Iran is interested in the J-10 but wants to make the purchase with crude oil rather than gold or foreign currency.

The Chinese responded by offering Iran the JF-17, which Iran refused.

Pakistan's interior minister announced purchase of J-10.

I don't know Urdu hence I can't comment on this, if any Pakistani sees this reply, please confirm or deny.

If true, wonder if Iran may take another look at J-10 since it was rumored that Iran at one point considered acquiring it... But wasn't satisfied.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This is Pakistan's response to India's acquisition of the Rafales. The arms race continues.

What I've heard is that Iran is interested in the J-10 but wants to make the purchase with crude oil rather than gold or foreign currency.

The Chinese responded by offering Iran the JF-17, which Iran refused.

Chinese always play hardball when it comes to money and profit !!!!!! logically it would be better for iran to buy from china that russia given the poor performance of russian systems and the influence of Israel in russia these days.

 

[TheImmortal]

Tom Cooper skeptical of SU-35 news


“I would first like to hear that the IRGC has granted permission for the IRIAF to get that kind of stuff, and then that Tehran actually has the necessary money – before making any kind of useful conclusions,” he wrote on Dec. 30.

Is Iran Really About To Buy Russian Su-35 ‘Super Flanker’ Fighter Jets?

There is renewed speculation that Iran may buy Sukhoi Su-35SE “Super Flankers” from Russia for its antiquated air force.

www.google.com

 

[Hack-Hook]

Pakistan's interior minister announced purchase of J-10.

I don't know Urdu hence I can't comment on this, if any Pakistani sees this reply, please confirm or deny.

If true, wonder if Iran may take another look at J-10 since it was rumored that Iran at one point considered acquiring it... But wasn't satisfied.

china considered to sell j-10b Iran airforce said no , later there were talk about J-10c but not Iran nor china show interest only media, and that's understandable we need something to replace F-14 and J-10 is not that plane , right now our missiles are taking the role of F-4 in our force and we plan to replace f-5 with what we will build , so there is no place for J-10 or JF-17 in our doctrine

 

[sha ah]

The J-10 is a good aircraft but I don't think it's a match for the Rafale. India will have the edge over Pakistan when it comes to fighter jets in the near future and beyond.

I don't think Iran will purchase anything unless the price is extremely favorable. Iran must also receive technology transfers, licensed or joint production and software codes. Time is on Iran's side in this case. Platforms don't become more expensive with time and with patience Iran will eventually receive a very favorable deal.

china considered to sell j-10b Iran airforce said no , later there were talk about J-10c but not Iran nor china show interest only media, and that's understandable we need something to replace F-14 and J-10 is not that plane , right now our missiles are taking the role of F-4 in our force and we plan to replace f-5 with what we will build , so there is no place for J-10 or JF-17 in our doctrine

 

[yugocrosrb95]

china considered to sell j-10b Iran airforce said no , later there were talk about J-10c but not Iran nor china show interest only media, and that's understandable we need something to replace F-14 and J-10 is not that plane , right now our missiles are taking the role of F-4 in our force and we plan to replace f-5 with what we will build , so there is no place for J-10 or JF-17 in our doctrine

J-10 is right in between Mig-29 and Mig-35 in range and payload.

Mig-35 is exact to F-14 in payload and range.

But J-10 has 11 hardpoints and Mig-35 has only 9.

 

[TheImmortal]

J-10 is right in between Mig-29 and Mig-35 in range and payload.

Mig-35 is exact to F-14 in payload and range.

But J-10 has 11 hardpoints and Mig-35 has only 9.

Don’t compare Mig-35 to F-14.

Mig-35 is a failure; even Russian Air Force didn’t want it and reduced its order.

Anyone can look at a spec sheet, using that to compare fighter jets is just a flawed approach. Especially jets that never made it to serial production (Mig-35).

BTW If J-10 had all 11 hardpoints used, it would light up like a damn Christmas Tree on radars and be easy prey for AD systems.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Don’t compare Mig-35 to F-14.

That is like saying don't compare Tiger with Apache.

Mig-35 is a failure; even Russian Air Force didn’t want it and reduced its order.

Apparently being bought is a failure and even so that initial order was reduced, later on they ordered more of it. But I guess you have to omit that inconvenient fact or you ignorant of that?

Anyone can look at a spec sheet, using that to compare fighter jets is just a flawed approach. Especially jets that never made it to serial production (Mig-35).

Apparently production of a squadron is not serial production, let alone more than 30.

BTW If J-10 had all 11 hardpoints used, it would light up like a damn Christmas Tree on radars and be easy prey for AD systems.

...and the point went over your head. Idiot.

 

[sha ah]

According to this video, Raesi will visit Putin in January to sign a comprehensive 20 deal economic agreement.

This will include a 10 billion dollar defense contract which will include the procurement of 24 SU-35SE fighter jets as well as two S-400 batteries and a military satellite. Russia will also help Iran upgrade its MIG-29s and SU-24s.

Reportedly after the contract is finalized in January, Iranian pilots who have already been hand picked, will train in Russia. The SU-35s will then be delivered to Iran as early as mid 2022.

Recently Indonesia and Egypt both chose to cancel their SU-35 purchases from Russia after the US threatened to impose CAATSA sanctions on them. Egypt already has 17 SU-35s in inventory with another 30 on order. Egypt also had 500x T-90 tanks on order before the cancellation. This will be a major blow to the Russian arms industry, however it will give Iran leverage in this regard.

For Egypt the choice was simple. Either acquire 30 SU-35s and 500 T-90 tanks OR have access to 30 more Rafale jets from France (Egypt already has 24) along with spare parts for their 1300 Abrams tanks and modernization kits for their 200 F-16s.

According to this report:
Word is the Egyptians tested an Irbis-E radar (from the Su-35) against Rafale’s ECM-system, and the latter easily overpowered the former.

Here’s why Egypt will never receive Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets (and why there's no confirmation for any of reports about Algeria or Iran "taking them instead") - The Aviation Geek Club

Here’s why Egypt will never receive Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets (and why there's no confirmation for any of reports about Algeria or Iran)

theaviationgeekclub.com

 

[Tshering22]

According to this video, Raesi will visit Putin in January to sign a comprehensive 20 deal economic agreement.

This will include a 10 billion dollar defense contract which will include the procurement of 24 SU-35SE fighter jets as well as two S-400 batteries and a military satellite. Russia will also help Iran upgrade its MIG-29s and SU-24s.

Reportedly after the contract is finalized in January, Iranian pilots who have already been hand picked, will train in Russia. The SU-35s will then be delivered to Iran as early as mid 2022.

Recently Indonesia and Egypt both chose to cancel their SU-35 purchases from Russia after the US threatened to impose CAATSA sanctions on them. Egypt already has 17 SU-35s in inventory with another 30 on order. Egypt also had 500x T-90 tanks on order before the cancellation. This will be a major blow to the Russian arms industry, however it will give Iran leverage in this regard.

For Egypt the choice was simple. Either acquire 30 SU-35s and 500 T-90 tanks OR have access to 30 more Rafale jets from France (Egypt already has 24) along with spare parts for their 1300 Abrams tanks and modernization kits for their 200 F-16s.

According to this report:
Word is the Egyptians tested an Irbis-E radar (from the Su-35) against Rafale’s ECM system, and the latter easily overpowered the former.

Here’s why Egypt will never receive Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets (and why there's no confirmation for any of reports about Algeria or Iran "taking them instead") - The Aviation Geek Club

Here’s why Egypt will never receive Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets (and why there's no confirmation for any of reports about Algeria or Iran)

theaviationgeekclub.com

It did. Multiple news reports confirm it and this indicates that Egypt will most likely increase the Rafale orders to 54 after these deliveries. SPECTRA is a beast of an EW that the French developed. Putin better get that AESA radar by Phazotron bumped up in specifications if he has to compete with France in exports at this point.

However, it is unlikely that France would sell to them even if they stopped their nuclear program at this point since they would risk enraging Israel and by extension, the United States.

 

[TheImmortal]

Apparently production of a squadron is not serial production, let alone more than 30.

There have been 6 prototype test
Models built for testing purposes. Only 8 finished production models have been built for Russian airforce, not “more than 30”. But why ruin your lies.

You are comparing a plane that has never seen combat and never even be used in a major war game or simulation to the F-14. It’s quite hilarious. Everything you say is literally by looking at Wikipedia.

Who needs Generals when we have you.

The J-10 is a good aircraft but I don't think it's a match for the Rafale. India will have the edge over Pakistan when it comes to fighter jets in the near future and beyond.

I don't think Iran will purchase anything unless the price is extremely favorable. Iran must also receive technology transfers, licensed or joint production and software codes. Time is on Iran's side in this case. Platforms don't become more expensive with time and with patience Iran will eventually receive a very favorable deal.

Its another misguided purchase by a country that cannot get its internal affairs in order. Unless it’s getting these for basically free (Chinese subsidies).

Pakistan's economy is currently in turmoil, with the country requiring gross external financing of $51.6 billion over the next two years (2021-2023) to meet its financial requirements.

The country has joined the top 10 nations with the largest foreign debts, according to a recent World Bank report.

They needed ANOTHER loan from Baboon Arabia (3B this time) to keep the lights on.

How is this a sustainable strategy? Can Pakistan really continue to match India in arms purchases? Of course not. India has the economy and domestic industry to pay for an arms race, Pakistan does not.

It would be like Iran trying to get into an arms race with the USA. It’s just not sustainable nor a smart strategy.

Plus how much difference is 24 J-10 gonna make? It’s like Iran having 24 SU-54’s. Wouldn’t make much difference in grand scheme of war.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Mig-35 did not see combat is not argument against it in any sense as you would have to ignore and deny fact that it utilizes what has been combat proven.

Be it armament that it can use, along being derived from Mig-29 along radar being derived and improved upon one used on Su-30MK by being AESA instead of PESA.