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Oh look the air intakes are mounted above the wings. Remember the ridicule that the F-313 got for having air intakes above the wings?
It’s called inferiority complex! People of color tend to accept novelty if it comes from whites but god forbids if another race proposes an unconventional design. Then it’s ridiculed instantly.
wether or not f313 would have been successful or not, it stand for an unconventional effort in order to flip the game and not try to play catch up with the worlds most wealthy weapons developer.
 
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Friends, Mr. Azarmehr who is a trusted guest on the Omid Dana podcasts has stated at least twice that Qaher was a tech demonstrator of sorts and meant to be a one off at most and never the thing that some officials said it was during the unveiling. This is very much along what many here suspected as well, especially in the current configuration of the aircraft.
 
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Friends, Mr. Azarmehr who is a trusted guest on the Omid Dana podcasts has stated at least twice that Qaher was a tech demonstrator of sorts and meant to be a one off at most and never the thing that some officials said it was during the unveiling. This is very much along what many here suspected as well, especially in the current configuration of the aircraft.

Everyone on here and on IMF thought it was real fighter jet. It took them forever to accept the reality that it was not and a ploy by Ahmadinejad as a PR stunt.

I will never forget the look on DM Daeghan face when he had to defend the project shortly after mock up unveiling. You could tell he was frustrated by the higher powers for unveiling such a project and using it for propaganda. Believe it or not there are many in IR military apparatus that take their job and image of their country seriously.

Unfortunately their is a significant amount of people who also just want to engage in propaganda.
 
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Everyone on here and on IMF thought it was real fighter jet. It took them forever to accept the reality that it was not and a ploy by Ahmadinejad as a PR stunt.

I will never forget the look on DM Daeghan face when he had to defend the project shortly after mock up unveiling. You could tell he was frustrated by the higher powers for unveiling such a project and using it for propaganda. Believe it or not there are many in IR military apparatus that take their job and image of their country seriously.

Unfortunately their is a significant amount of people who also just want to engage in propaganda.

I would not go so far to say that the entire program is PR stunt. Ahmadinejad's early act was PR stunt but the plane is a demonstrator and a concept.
 
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I would not go so far to say that the entire program is PR stunt. Ahmadinejad's early act was PR stunt but the plane is a demonstrator and a concept.

The plane didn’t demonstrate anything.

They took an F-5 and tried to add stealth to it. The wheels and the engine would have been underwhelming.

The plane couldn’t be anything without a proper engine. It’s almost as if engineers were told “what type of 5th gen mock up can you make with 2 J-85’s?”
 
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The plane didn’t demonstrate anything.

They took an F-5 and tried to add stealth to it. The wheels and the engine would have been underwhelming.

The plane couldn’t be anything without a proper engine. It’s almost as if engineers were told “what type of 5th gen mock up can you make with 2 J-85’s?”


The plane was a demonstrator for ground effect flight aircraft. It was likely proposed as a cheap strike plane not an air superiority. This is consistent with Iran's asymmetrical warfare doctrine.
 
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The plane was a demonstrator for ground effect flight aircraft. It was likely proposed as a cheap strike plane not an air superiority. This is consistent with Iran's asymmetrical warfare doctrine.

a ground effect to carry what? It’s internal payload had less room than the Gaza UAV internal payload. It’s range was likely so small it couldn’t even leave Iranian airspace and make it back.

The so called purpose (anti ship fighter) was stupid as supersonic ASCHM and anti ship BMs and UAVs already made the fighter obsolete and were more worthy than devoting resources to such a project.

There is a reason no other major power had a ground effect prototype ever make it to mass production.

Again waste of time and resources and hurt the image of the Iranian arms industry. Notice how there has not been any “F-313” like mockery since that time. Almost everything Iran reveals now is ready and professional.
 
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Yeah I've always said this. The jet was too small to hold any serious internal payload. The only way it would make sense is if it were a 6/10 mock up. However it wasn't. Atleast it wasn't as bad as Salami's dowsing rods. That was the worst.

a ground effect to carry what? It’s internal payload had less room than the Gaza UAV internal payload. It’s range was likely so small it couldn’t even leave Iranian airspace and make it back.

The so called purpose (anti ship fighter) was stupid as supersonic ASCHM and anti ship BMs and UAVs already made the fighter obsolete and were more worthy than devoting resources to such a project.

There is a reason no other major power had a ground effect prototype ever make it to mass production.

Again waste of time and resources and hurt the image of the Iranian arms industry. Notice how there has not been any “F-313” like mockery since that time. Almost everything Iran reveals now is ready and professional.
 
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Everyone on here and on IMF thought it was real fighter jet. It took them forever to accept the reality that it was not and a ploy by Ahmadinejad as a PR stunt.

I will never forget the look on DM Daeghan face when he had to defend the project shortly after mock up unveiling. You could tell he was frustrated by the higher powers for unveiling such a project and using it for propaganda. Believe it or not there are many in IR military apparatus that take their job and image of their country seriously.

Unfortunately their is a significant amount of people who also just want to engage in propaganda.
First if all, Qahar was unveiled by Vahidi not Dehghan (so much of your memory!),

secondly, Qaher was the start of a progress in fighter design, as the head of project said, they may change any aspect of the design during it's development, yet each part would give us precious information, unlike when some smart arse says US doesn't have it so don't research on it!

Nonetheless design was based on the characteristics and missions which the designer had defined for it, not the wild ideas of random guys with world war II imaginations.

thirdly, even Azaraksh would have been a PR stunt, if it was supposed to be suspended by a traitor defense minister (like Dehghan) a few month later, not to mention that Zionist media even mocked the Kowsar as a refurbished F5, and to this very day they still mock Iran when it suites them, like the time their officials said Iranian missiles are photoshop!

Despite all the shortcoming of the unveiling, I'm glad it was unveiled during Ahmadinejad, otherwise traitors would have unveiled it later in their name and then suspended it, like Fotros drone (win win for themselves, and loose loose for Iran).
 
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a ground effect to carry what? It’s internal payload had less room than the Gaza UAV internal payload. It’s range was likely so small it couldn’t even leave Iranian airspace and make it back.

The so called purpose (anti ship fighter) was stupid as supersonic ASCHM and anti ship BMs and UAVs already made the fighter obsolete and were more worthy than devoting resources to such a project.

There is a reason no other major power had a ground effect prototype ever make it to mass production.

Again waste of time and resources and hurt the image of the Iranian arms industry. Notice how there has not been any “F-313” like mockery since that time. Almost everything Iran reveals now is ready and professional.

You assumption here is that the size was final. Rarely proof of concepts or early prototypes are 1:1.

A low observable jet (partly stealthy design, dominantly flight profile) that is relatively cheap and can carry anti ship or long range air to ground missiles may have been an asymmetrical asset. Not sure with advent of drones, it is still viable though.
 
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