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[Sineva]

pressurizing suits for our pilots for very high altitude flights. out mig-29s and su-24s are able to fly really high to avoid getting hit by SAMs.

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Ahh,the good old Gsh6 pressure suit helmet and very probably the vkk suit to go with it,now if only iran had the mig25s to go with them[lol!]

 

[PeeD]

One good question is why the IRGC-ASF would need this high altitude pressure suite.

- For Su-22 fleet? The max. operating altitude of the Su-22 would not require this. It may have been modified to operate at higher altitude to give the new glide bombs max. possible range, or to extend the range of the new cruise missiles they are about to get. Is the effort worth the extra range?

- For something new, such as a manned S-171/RQ-170 bomber? Or fighter project?

 

[Mithridates]

IRGC-ASF

it's for army mig-29s and su-24s. the person shared the post is IRIAF pilot.
mig-29ub:

mig-29 has the ability to climb up to 74000fts.

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[PeeD]

it's for army mig-29s and su-24s. the person shared the post is IRIAF pilot.
mig-29ub:

It was shown at the IRGC exhibition, so no connection to the IRIAF yet except for that claim.

 

[Mithridates]

It was shown at the IRGC exhibition, so no connection to the IRIAF yet except for that claim.

IRGC also showed the AF targeting pod for first time. obviously IRGC has not the high altitude flying planes so make the pilot use this suit by now on other hand AF has planes like su-24 and mig-29s.

 

[Mithridates]

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pilot of this f-5 without any RWR system and without any accompanying plane or WSO moves hundreds of kilometers inside iraqi soil and bomb predefined targets and after taking hit by an air defence missile, instead of ejecting retakes plane control and flys it back to iran and lands in a road while his hand was injured.

 

[OldTwilight]

IN FACT, IRAN’S FIGHTER JETS ARE A MAJOR THREAT

 

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[TheImmortal]

Been a while since we have seen the Saeghe F-5 variant.

IN FACT, IRAN’S FIGHTER JETS ARE A MAJOR THREAT

Kowsar is not a threat, it isn’t even being mass produced.

If you knew Air Force budget you would know they don’t have funds for any major purchase. Just refrubishing old aircraft and upgrading technology test beds in hopes of one day landing an order.

 

[Blue In Green]

Been a while since we have seen the Saeghe F-5 variant.



Kowsar is not a threat, it isn’t even being mass produced.

If you knew Air Force budget you would know they don’t have funds for any major purchase. Just refrubishing old aircraft and upgrading technology test beds in hopes of one day landing an order.

Although I fully know Iran needs a much larger budget in order to procure more jets: the actual increase in terms of money spent per year is what alludes me. Realistically how much would Iran have to increase its own defense spending by to compensate for its poor air force and or get new Kowsars, Saeghe, etc?

 

[TheImmortal]

- For something new, such as a manned S-171/RQ-170 bomber? Or fighter project?

Except you would need an invention called jet engines to fly your supposed aircraft. Iran barely has a light fighter engine ready for serial production (J85), Let alone the type of engine needed to power a supersonic stealth flying wing bomber.

With a total “declared” military budget of $20 billion dollar, Iran would be one of few or maybe the first military power to be able to build heavy jet engines with such a meager budget.

To put this in perspective, Nazi Germany Wermacht budget in 1939 was 19 Billion (German currency) which equates to 72 BILLION EUROS in 2009 dollars.

If we look at Communist China, they built a licensed UK engine used in U.K. version of F-4 in 1970’s. Yet after nearly 5 decades, China still lags US/Russia in engine tech.

So if Iran reverse engineered its first jet engine in 2010’s (if we are to believe the claims), how on Earth would they have a more advanced engine built in just a few years?

Highly unlikely is all I am saying.

 

[TheImmortal]

Although I fully know Iran needs a much larger budget in order to procure more jets: the actual increase in terms of money spent per year is what alludes me. Realistically how much would Iran have to increase its own defense spending by to compensate for its poor air force and or get new Kowsars, Saeghe, etc?

An F-5 in today’s numbers cost 20-25 million. But let’s say Iran can build a Kowsar for 10 million (hypothetically) it would likely need a military budget of $150-200 million dollars just to be able to purchase 10 Kowsar a year (100 million).

Iran’s Air Force budget might not even be $50 Million or $30 Million. The Air Force likely gets by through its aerospace refurbishment/maintenance arm. Which according to thread I posted about IRGC overshadowing Air Force it generates 200+ Million a year. That Likely goes to keeping the fleet alive, bringing back old planes, salaries, and other expenses.

Turkey has a military budget around ~20 Billion dollars. Yet it announced 160 billion modernization program, of which 45 Billion would get allocated to Air Force (source wiki).

So in Iran’s case, unless the government announces a similar separate modernization program of 10+ billion for airforce (over X amount of years) , its hard to see how Iran’s Air Force will ever become anything.

To buy 50 SU-30 will cost Iran around 2 Billion dollars plus support costs/training/parts/etc.

So a 10 Billion Air Force modernization program funded by the government will allow for a 100 fighter purchase from Russia (SU-30), plus a significant boost to R&D for Iranian domestic fighter projects plus a possible order for a next gen F-5 variant (Kowsar II or III) as an domestic advanced trainer/light attack fighter.

This should still leave money left over for additional Air Force purchase such as military cargo planes, AWACS, etc or possible another fighter jet to compliment the SU-30.

While 10 Billion is a lot of money, if you see how much Iran has lost in corruption, fraud, theft, government excess, etc its a drop in the bucket.

Nonetheless don’t expect to see such a program when Iran is suffocating under sanctions and throwing a economic lifeline to Syria.

 

[Blue In Green]

An F-5 in today’s numbers cost 20-25 million. But let’s say Iran can build a Kowsar for 10 million (hypothetically) it would likely need a military budget of $150-200 million dollars just to be able to purchase 10 Kowsar a year (100 million).

Iran’s Air Force budget might not even be $50 Million or $30 Million. The Air Force likely gets by through its aerospace refurbishment/maintenance arm. Which according to thread I posted about IRGC overshadowing Air Force it generates 200+ Million a year. That Likely goes to keeping the fleet alive, bringing back old planes, salaries, and other expenses.

Turkey has a military budget around ~20 Billion dollars. Yet it announced 160 billion modernization program, of which 45 Billion would get allocated to Air Force (source wiki).

So in Iran’s case, unless the government announces a similar separate modernization program of 10+ billion for airforce (over X amount of years) , its hard to see how Iran’s Air Force will ever become anything.

To buy 50 SU-30 will cost Iran around 2 Billion dollars plus support costs/training/parts/etc.

So a 10 Billion Air Force modernization program funded by the government will allow for a 100 fighter purchase from Russia (SU-30), plus a significant boost to R&D for Iranian domestic fighter projects plus a possible order for a next gen F-5 variant (Kowsar II or III) as an domestic advanced trainer/light attack fighter.

This should still leave money left over for additional Air Force purchase such as military cargo planes, AWACS, etc or possible another fighter jet to compliment the SU-30.

While 10 Billion is a lot of money, if you see how much Iran has lost in corruption, fraud, theft, government excess, etc its a drop in the bucket.

Nonetheless don’t expect to see such a program when Iran is suffocating under sanctions and throwing a economic lifeline to Syria.

Much appreciated for the thorough breakdown!!

Didn't know things were this bad, jesus it's a shit show...

 

[OldTwilight]

An F-5 in today’s numbers cost 20-25 million. But let’s say Iran can build a Kowsar for 10 million (hypothetically) it would likely need a military budget of $150-200 million dollars just to be able to purchase 10 Kowsar a year (100 million).

Iran’s Air Force budget might not even be $50 Million or $30 Million. The Air Force likely gets by through its aerospace refurbishment/maintenance arm. Which according to thread I posted about IRGC overshadowing Air Force it generates 200+ Million a year. That Likely goes to keeping the fleet alive, bringing back old planes, salaries, and other expenses.

Turkey has a military budget around ~20 Billion dollars. Yet it announced 160 billion modernization program, of which 45 Billion would get allocated to Air Force (source wiki).

So in Iran’s case, unless the government announces a similar separate modernization program of 10+ billion for airforce (over X amount of years) , its hard to see how Iran’s Air Force will ever become anything.

To buy 50 SU-30 will cost Iran around 2 Billion dollars plus support costs/training/parts/etc.

So a 10 Billion Air Force modernization program funded by the government will allow for a 100 fighter purchase from Russia (SU-30), plus a significant boost to R&D for Iranian domestic fighter projects plus a possible order for a next gen F-5 variant (Kowsar II or III) as an domestic advanced trainer/light attack fighter.

This should still leave money left over for additional Air Force purchase such as military cargo planes, AWACS, etc or possible another fighter jet to compliment the SU-30.

While 10 Billion is a lot of money, if you see how much Iran has lost in corruption, fraud, theft, government excess, etc its a drop in the bucket.

Nonetheless don’t expect to see such a program when Iran is suffocating under sanctions and throwing a economic lifeline to Syria.

and just in this year , there was 6.6 billion euro scandal which I.R. just look away and after some weeks ordered media to not post anything about it ( I guess this because all of our new agnecies suddenly become silent about this issue ) ...

so there is money , but the money is not for Iran or Iranians ....


side note : last year there was at least more than 148 billion in bank account of I.R. high administrative families outside of Iran ....

 

[aryobarzan]

Much appreciated for the thorough breakdown!!

Didn't know things were this bad, jesus it's a shit show...

Corruption figures in Iran is subject to who is telling you the story so..we do not know the actual figures. However what we know is that Iran has something called Sovereign wealth fund (oil fund)..It has in it between (66 to 99 billion dollars depending on which western news source you read). If these sums are still available to Iran for use (not blocked by sanction). The country is well capable of funding any lavish air force modernisation program she can desire.

A single F-35 (the plane alone) costs round 142 million dollars (latest figure I read). Considering the economic differences between US and Iran(e.g wages, materials, efficiencies..etc). I would say a Kowsar build in Iran (at 95% domestic labour and material) should not cost more than 5 million dollars ( considering one dollar spent in Iran produces the same shit in the US costing 10 dollars). So hypothetically if US wanted to build a Kowsar (from the scratch) each copy would be 50 million dollars which is not far fetched looking at the F-35 price tag).

MY conclusion: We do not know whats behind the thinking of Iranian military planners but we know they have the means (both technical and financial) to have a first rate airforce if they wanted to..Gen Bagheri statement about importance of air force recently may be an indication of a shift due to performance of Russian air power in Syria)