Iraq's war against IS terrorism | Updates and Discussions

[Alshawi1234]

So what you are basically saying is "Its okay that they killed them, it's only revenge, besides is it not like we will kill all of them we will leave a few alive". This is the translation of what you just said.

Sunnis killing Sunnis if we interfere we'd be sectarian. I'm saying that everyone of them who helped IS come in and later got bit, no one is to blame but themselves. That applies to the Nujaifi Muslim brotherhood lot who were all in for the revolution and later were exiled and their properties confiscated by IS.

@Alshawi1234 can you send me the vid, did not see such a thing

It's pretty graphic and disturbing. He seems to be fighting alongside IS but was too scared to engage in combat and probably surrendered in hope of staying alive.

TBH they shouldn't have killed him. But this is war and things like this happen.

 

[Abii]

So what you are basically saying is "Its okay that they killed them, it's only revenge, besides is it not like we will kill all of them we will leave a few alive". This is the translation of what you just said.

Man you have no shame. You act like you're above all the religious extremism that's so rampant in the region, but in the end you're just another wahabi terrorist from Saudi. Everybody can see through your bull shit facade.

9/11 terrorists? All Saudis. Terrorist across the region? All Saudis. Most extremist nut jobs on defence.pk? All Saudis. Most number of suicide bombers in the region? All Saudis. All the other suicide bombers and terrorists also follow the Saudi school of thought.

Shia extremists are terrorists in anybody's book, but your savagery is on such a scale where any form of justification can be made to get rid of your filth. Crimes are overlooked, murders are overlooked, former enemies become allies etc... just so your filth can be pushed back. Why do you act like you're above all that? You're no different than any other Saudi here. The only difference between you and some bearded savage setting babies on fire in Iraq is your current location.

 

[1000]

Didn't see the vid, but war crimes happen in every war.

If you see your family member beheaded on video you will act with emotion. In many incidents in Iraq & Afghanistan, Americans were committing war crimes as they thought everyone over there were the people of 9/11 attacks. Kids can't be held responsible as adults, should try rehabilitation from the brainwashing.

Anyway people will use this to paint the volunteers as terrorists as usual whilst they ( ISIS ) blow up kids daily with their suicide attacks. Act of a few extremists doesn't make the entire group the same.

What the US military police did in Abu Ghraib doesn't mean all of the MP's are like that.

 

[Abii]

He's just a kid that begs and says he was not involved in shooting.

There was no trial or anything. He was put up against a wall and riddled with 20 bullets.

Teenage? looks between 10 - 12 years old to me.

Even his voice hasn't broken. Just a kid.

Heinous crime, but what's your point exactly? Iraq has been in war for almost 4 decades now. I don't think you can comprehend what that means. It means society is broken and rule of law is hanging by a thread. WTF do you want people to say here? Should we all suddenly start supporting ISIS b/c somebody commits a heinous crime in the middle of a war?

 

[1000]

Iraqi forces are actually acting too soft in general, the army captures foreign terrorists and does what ? interviews them and releases them. All that whilst a decade of terrorism has been going on. Imagine waves of Iraqi Shiites blowing themselves up in @Mosamania (Taif, your place right), you'd want them beheaded whether 16 year old or 30 year old.

Mosamania was cheering in June 2014 as I recall, his political interests go above the humanity he's showing today at any life's cost.. getting tired of this bullshit.

 

[Mosamania]

Man you have no shame. You act like you're above all the religious extremism that's so rampant in the region, but in the end you're just another wahabi terrorist from Saudi. Everybody can see through your bull shit facade.

9/11 terrorists? All Saudis. Terrorist across the region? All Saudis. Most extremist nut jobs on defence.pk? All Saudis. Most number of suicide bombers in the region? All Saudis. All the other suicide bombers and terrorists also follow the Saudi school of thought.

Shia extremists are terrorists in anybody's book, but your savagery is on such a scale where any form of justification can be made to get rid of your filth. Crimes are overlooked, murders are overlooked, former enemies become allies etc... just so your filth can be pushed back. Why do you act like you're above all that? You're no different than any other Saudi here. The only difference between you and some bearded savage setting babies on fire in Iraq is your current location.

Oh Abii, you know we can be friends right? If only you would just learn to look past race and nationality, I am pretty sure you are a very nice man in real life as well. What you are basically saying is that I am guilty by association is that right?

Didn't see the vid, but war crimes happen in every war.

If you see your family member beheaded on video you will act with emotion. In many incidents in Iraq & Afghanistan, Americans were committing war crimes as they thought everyone over there were the people of 9/11 attacks. Kids can't be held responsible as adults, should try rehabilitation from the brainwashing.

Anyway people will use this to paint the volunteers as terrorists as usual whilst they ( ISIS ) blow up kids daily with their suicide attacks. Act of a few extremists doesn't make the entire group the same.

What the US military police did in Abu Ghraib doesn't mean all of the MP's are like that.

I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE how Abii thanked your post right after saying I was guilty by association. Abii just a question why the double standards?

Iraqi forces are actually acting too soft in general, the army captures foreign terrorists and does what ? interviews them and releases them. All that whilst a decade of terrorism has been going on. Imagine waves of Iraqi Shiites blowing themselves up in @Mosamania (Taif, your place right), you'd want them beheaded whether 16 year old or 30 year old.

Mosamania was cheering in June 2014 as I recall, his political interests go above the humanity he's showing today at any life's cost.. getting tired of this bullshit.

No actually I want, I was one of the people that signed a petition to the government to stop bombing civilian locations in Yemen during the Houthi infiltration crisis, me and a few tens of thousands with me, sure I got called unpatriotic and terrorist supporting even, doesn't mean I will ever condone flagrant transgression, no matter who does that.

Heinous crime, but what's your point exactly? Iraq has been in war for almost 4 decades now. I don't think you can comprehend what that means. It means society is broken and rule of law is hanging by a thread. WTF do you want people to say here? Should we all suddenly start supporting ISIS b/c somebody commits a heinous crime in the middle of a war?

No, I just wish that we don't transform into monsters. Beginning to condone civilian death and war crimes is the beginning of that process. We should not lose our humanity, for humanity's sake at the very least.

 

[Alshawi1234]

No one is happy with targeting civilians. But the percentage if civilian targets by the "Shia militias" is tenfolds less than any other conflict, it's just that media puts more focus on it.

Look at the Ghaza conflict. Nearly 2000 civilian casualties. Imagine if the headline says "radidhi airforce kills 2000 innocent Sunni civilians". We would have had tens of thousands of Sunni jihadists, "rebels" supported by various Arab and Islamic countries, billions of dollars poured to support the Sunnis.



Look at US airstrikes in Iraq, Afghanistan and else where. Look at the crimes of different armies and groups around he globe. It's the same and perhaps our lot have been largely tolerant compared to what we have adhered. But looking at it from a sectarian point of view and with all the international media focused on Iraq, it's no doubt that such things happen and go viral.

As for the Muslim brotherhood lot and and Baathists who were either chased out or killed, they got it to themselves. They've had a hand in all this. It wouldn't have been made possible without Maliki's idiocy of course but the point is they planned it and carried it out.

 

[1000]

Shias and their armed groups should actually be praised for not going full retard. After all those are 'savage' Muslims as the west sees them. Looking at the civilized Christians in Lebanon they didn't take that much shit from others. They massacred thousands of Muslims during the Lebanese civil war. Recently 1700 cadets got massacred in Tikrit, what if the people of southern Iraq were like the Phalange Christians of Lebanon. They'd be responding with a bloodbath.

 

[Mosamania]

No one is happy with targeting civilians. But the percentage if civilian targets by the "Shia militias" is tenfolds less than any other conflict, it's just that media puts more focus on it.

Look at the Ghaza conflict. Nearly 2000 civilian casualties. Imagine if the headline says "radidhi airforce kills 2000 innocent Sunni civilians". We would have had tens of thousands of Sunni jihadists, "rebels" supported by various Arab and Islamic countries, billions of dollars poured to support the Sunnis.



Look at US airstrikes in Iraq, Afghanistan and else where. Look at the crimes of different armies and groups around he globe. It's the same and perhaps our lot have been largely tolerant compared to what we have adhered. But looking at it from a sectarian point of view and with all the international media focused on Iraq, it's no doubt that such things happen and go viral.

As for the Muslim brotherhood lot and and Baathists who were either chased out or killed, they got it to themselves. They've had a hand in all this. It wouldn't have been made possible without Maliki's idiocy of course but the point is they planned it and carried it out.

Its not about looking at it from a sectarian perspective, which is difficult in my case since it is impossible for me to have any sect at all anyways. It is about that I wish that the region once and for all stop having and giving excuses for murder of none combatants, no matter what side. US soldiers if found committing war crimes would be castrated back home and many did and many were.

But to find excuses or encourage it, makes me have less hope that our region can ever have any simplance of safety and balance. Wither we like it or not we are stuck here, we are part of the same geography and we have more in common than any of these European countries can have in common ever, our languages are the same, our street names are the same, our general religion is the same and everything is the same. Maybe one day you will realize that and cast away the glasses of hate, which I know you were forced and have every right to wear.

What I am trying to say is, never defend a crime, because that is the ultimate degradation of human civilization, don't allow anyone or anything to change that human part in you.

 

[Abii]

No, I just wish that we don't transform into monsters. Beginning to condone civilian death and war crimes is the beginning of that process. We should not lose our humanity, for humanity's sake at the very least.

Once again you're trying to act like you're above all that. It's easy to see through you.

Your people are literally bulldozing the region with "civilian death and war crimes" and are everything but human, and here you are giving us a lecture b/c some shia whack job committed a crime in the war.

We have to get rid of the disease first, then we can take care of the symptoms. You're screaming and hollering over a runny nose when the patient has a fatal infection. Of course you don't give a shit about the patient, which is why you're so concerned about the runny nose.

 

[Mosamania]

Once again you're trying to act like you're above all that. It's easy to see through you.

Your people are literally bulldozing the region with "civilian death and war crimes" and are everything but human, and here you are giving us a lecture b/c some shia whack job committed a crime in the war.

We have to get rid of the disease first, then we can take care of the symptoms. You're screaming and hollering over a runny nose when the patient has a fatal infection. Of course you don't give a shit about the patient, which is why you're so concerned about the runny nose.

Its okay Abii, I forgive you.

 

[Alshawi1234]

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Anyways about the Sallahiddin operations.

Diyala cost about 550 casualties to liberate it. Areas included jalawla, sadiya, Udhaim, Moqdadiyah, Sinsil, and all the villages and settlements around them. This compared with 108 casualties in the 2004 Fallujah operation.
However there is minimal damage to the infrastructure in comparison, With the exception of the bridges which IS destroyed as they retreated.


Sallahiddin province, in my view will have at least 1,000-1,500 casualties to liberate the Dour, Alem, Tikrit, Baiji, and Seneyah all the villages and settlements associated with them. Most casualties are from suicide bombings. In return IS receives casualties from airstrikes. So far over 60 IS members were killed by airstrikes. Artillery is also important, however most IS dead through artillery are hard to survey. In Diyala mass graves of IS fighters were found in the aftermath of its liberation, much of the dead are believed to be from artillery.

The operations in Sallahiddin will continue for at least 3 weeks, with another month to remove all the IEDS.

 

[1000]

Its okay Abii, I forgive you.

You know if I was Abadi i'd allow you Saudis to bomb IS in Iraq, just to have all those animals quit crying about sectarianism. It's good to have others bomb the terrorists so they can't pull the sectarian card. Turkey send 2 C-130's of military aid, the message itself is more important than the little amount of equipment itself, ( MB led Turkey supporting Safavid Iraq against IS ).

 

[Mosamania]

You know if I was Abadi i'd allow you Saudis to bomb IS in Iraq, just to have all those animals quit crying about sectarianism. It's good to have others bomb the terrorists so they can't pull the sectarian card. Turkey send 2 C-130's of military aid, the message itself is more important than the few equipment itself, ( MB led Turkey supporting Safavid Iraq against IS ).

I heard that it was Iranian army artillery that is fighting in Tikrit, is there any truth to that? Also I found some really interesting data on Saudi contribution to the Daesh fight in Syria, it is not just 4 F-15S bombing there, Saudi Arabia is conducting its own separate operation in Syria 4x F-15S, 4x Tornadoes, 4x Typhoons (Which recently killed a shit ton of ISIS high command, that was a Saudi strike), 1x MRTT Air Refuleing platform for national use only, 1x Beechcraft for ISR, 1x E-3 AWACs.

By far the biggest force after the US in the coalition.

 

[1000]

They keep saying Iranians are fighting whilst there aren't any but a handful of advisers and a few Islamists that managed to enter Samarra and protect the shrine. Remember the attempted bomber kid that got captured, he was told that there were Iranians and he should blow them up.

News is spreading false information all over the place, western news as well. Simply since Iraq does not make any effort to get western journalists. When suicide bombers entered Al Asad airbase and were killed it reached the western news by large.. because Americans on the base reported that to the media.

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Saw the video of the kid btw, age ~16. No bodies around him, he was the only person in the place alive besides the soldiers. Soldiers were being shot at, must have been him before he ran out of ammo. No civillian remained in that warzone. All those things along with soldiers themselves being shot at points at 1 thing, he was doing it. Perhaps there's no solution but to kill anyone that aims at the soldiers, sad for the young fella but it's war. Being 16 is no license to commit terror and get away with it. If innocent, RIP if not good riddance.