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They aren't entangled to be disentangled to begin with. Sure, religion plays a role there, but Pan-Arabism is not a manifestation of Islam or related to it.

Arabs are the majority of the Middle Eastern population on paper and they kind of think of the Middle East as their domain and territory. Pan-Arabism had momentum in 1980s, but right now the major players of the region are Iran, Turkey and Israel. I don't think Pan-Arabism can revive again. MBS tries to revive it, but he seems inept and he relies on the US too much.
All of the Arabic civilisation was Islamic civilisation simultaneously. Doesn't this fact makes Islam an indispensable element in Arabism?

even the Supreme leader is one
I would like to read up more on this (not that I believe this).
 
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Imagine being the biggest NATO slave hosting American and Israeli officials and embassies aka spy nests but talk about independence and ''countering terrorists'' but in reality just carrying out the American and zionist plans for the region.
 
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All of the Arabic civilisation was Islamic civilisation simultaneously. Doesn't this fact makes Islam an indispensable element in Arabism?

Well, the Egyptian civilization before Islam wasn't an Islamic one obviously. Islam is the common element of people in the Middle East (except Israel which is a transplant to the region). Pan-Arabism is more about language differences than religion.
 
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I would like to read up more on this (not that I believe this).

You don't have to believe it, but he is an Persian nationalist atheist. Does not know anything about Islamic theology nor does he abide by Islamic tenets and code for conduct.
Imagine being the biggest NATO slave hosting American and Israeli officials and embassies aka spy nests but talk about independence and ''countering terrorists'' but in reality just carrying out the American and zionist plans for the region.

Turkey has interests as a nation. Lots of them directly collide with 'American and Zionist' interests as you like to say. So kindly spare us your egotistical recycled rhetorical junk.
 
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Well, the Egyptian civilization before Islam wasn't an Islamic one obviously.
And who can claim the legacy over Egyptian civilisation? Egyptian nationalists or Pan-Arab Nationalists?
 
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I would like to read up more on this (not that I believe this).
That's blah blah blah. Don't take what he said seriously. lol

And who can claim the legacy over Egyptian civilisation? Egyptian nationalists or Pan-Arab Nationalists?
Both.
EDIT: Pan-Arab nationalists do not consider the legacy of ancient Egypt as different from theirs.
 
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Both, but Arab nationalists are obviously more likely to claim the legacy of the pre-Islam Egyptian civilization.

No they wouldn't, why would they? Why do you pass off your projections as the truth? You're a delusional person. Just look at this thread. You actually believe Iran defeated the US in a war. You believe Khomeini made real prophecies. And you make up things non-Iraqi pow during the Iraqi-Iran war.
 
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No they wouldn't, why would they? Why do you pass off your projections as the truth? You're a delusional person. Just look at this forum. You actually believe Iran defeated the US in a war. You believe Khomeini made real prophecies. And you make up things non-Iraqi pow during the Iraqi-Iran war.
I misread his question at first. I thought he asked about Pan-Islamists versus Pan-Arabists. I was editing my post while you were writing this. Now keep calm, stop saying nonsense and keep selling felafel in the states. :D
 
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I misread his question at first. I thought he asked about Pan-Islamists versus Pan-Arabists. I was editing my post while you were writing this. Now keep calm, stop saying nonsense and keep selling felafel in the states. :D

You didn't misread anything, you like to pass off your projections about Arabs as truths. Even though lots of North Africans aren't Arabs to begin with. Your attempted personal attacks don't change that you're delusional.
 
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Seems like no one covered the events on this forum, a quick reminder:

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Iraq: Protest death toll surges as security forces resume brutal repression

  • Death toll exceeds 600 since October with 12 reported killings this week alone
  • Verified resumed use of live ammunition and deadly ‘smoker’ grenades to kill protesters
  • Ongoing wave of intimidation, arrests and torture
Chilling eyewitness testimonies and verified video analysis by Amnesty International confirm that security forces have resumed their campaign of deadly violence against largely peaceful protesters in Baghdad and cities in southern Iraq, the organization warned today.

The crackdown on renewed protests from 20-22 January saw at least 10 people killed in Baghdad, Basra, Karbala and Diyala, according to the Iraqi High Commission for Human Rights, while activists in Basra reported two additional deaths yesterday. Scores have been injured and arrested, with some subjected to torture and other ill-treatment in custody.

The organization’s Crisis Evidence Lab verified videos from several flashpoints in recent days, confirming live ammunition is once again being used against unarmed protesters, and the first use of deadly military-grade tear gas grenades observed since November.

“This worrying evidence signals that the Iraqi security forces have resumed their lethal campaign of repression against protesters who are simply exercising their rights to freedom of expression and to peaceful assembly. This latest escalation is a clear indication that the Iraqi authorities have no intention whatsoever to genuinely put an end to these grave violations,” said Lynn Maalouf, Amnesty International’s Middle East Research Director.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...-as-security-forces-resume-brutal-repression/

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If this new PM is embracing these militias in hopes that they will assist in a future crackdown, then he will be in trouble like his predecessor.

This suggests otherwise, however, time will tell:

Tensions rise as new Iraqi PM confronts Iran’s proxies

Tharallah (God’s Revenge) emerged in 2003 as a notorious Basra-based, Tehran-funded death squad, hunting down and gruesomely murdering Sunnis, Baathists, and anyone Iranian agents paid them to kill. British soldiers in December 2003 raided a Tharallah torture chamber. It has regained nationwide notoriety in recent days after opening fire on protesters outside its headquarters.

Several hundred demonstrators have been gunned down by paramilitary elements since mass protests erupted in the fall of 2019. Militias are accustomed to routinely getting away with murder. However, in a break with precedent, Tharallah’s headquarters were subsequently raided by security forces and their leader, Yousif Al-Musawi, arrested.

The fact that a raid against the headquarters of an Iran-backed militia was one of the first moves taken by new Prime Minister Mustafa Al-Kadhimi could be interpreted as a significant gesture of intent. Al-Kadhimi declared that “those who spill Iraqi blood will not rest.” He also liberated large numbers of Iraqis detained during the protests.

But let’s keep matters in perspective: Some other smaller “rogue” militias, such as the Abu-Al-Fadl Al-Abbas Brigade, have, over the past couple of years, had their offices closed down and leaders arrested — accused of the same criminal activities that larger militant factions from Al-Hashd Al-Shaabi engage in with impunity. The principal militias arguably profit from the squashing of their smaller rivals, offering exclusive control over neighborhood territories for extorting businesses, terrorizing locals and running narcotics, prostitution and oil-smuggling rackets.

Al-Kadhimi was previously the director of national intelligence, known for his cozy ties with the US. He holds British citizenship and was formerly a journalist and human rights activist. The prime minister has won praise for his speed in putting a Cabinet together and the technocratic flavor of his appointments. Observers were reassured by the appointment of experienced figures like Finance Minister Ali Allawi and Gen. Abdel-Wahab Al-Saadi as head of the counterterrorism service.

However, Iran-aligned elements accuse him of green-lighting the US attack that killed Iranian Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani and paramilitary overlord Abu-Mahdi Al-Muhandis in January. Al-Muhandis’ Kata’ib Hezbollah militia described Al-Kadhimi’s nomination as tantamount to a “war against Iraqis,” suggesting that the prime minister should be “behind bars.” Lebanese Hezbollah-affiliated cleric Ali Kourani, meanwhile, accused Al-Kadhimi of plotting with the US to disband Al-Hashd Al-Shaabi. Other Hashd elements are temporarily giving him the benefit of the doubt. Militia leader Qais Al-Khazali previously accused Al-Kadhimi of killing Soleimani and spying for the Americans, but then emerged with conditions under which he would accept his candidacy — including (of course) steadfast support for the Hashd.

There are fears that militias are again resorting to assassinations and violence to confront all challengers.

In a catastrophic economic climate, Al-Kadhimi is faced with the unenviable task of slashing salaries, laying off employees, cutting subsidies and imposing taxes. According to one source: “Iraq is like a racing car that has been neglected and repeatedly wrecked. Al-Kadhimi is not the racing car driver. He’s the tow truck driver.” The Hashd’s readiness to allow Al-Kadhimi’s appointment may be premised on the awareness that nobody could navigate Iraq through the coming tumultuous year and emerge without their reputation destroyed.

Iraqi oil revenues plunged from $7.1 billion in April 2019 to $1.4 billion in April 2020 and are set to fall further given OPEC’s production cuts. The government requires about $4 billion per month just to pay state employees. Two full months of oil income would be required to cover the $2.16 billion annual budget of Al-Hashd Al-Shaabi.

The budgetary cake may have shrunk from lavish chocolate gateau to a plain cupcake, but paramilitary warlords would rather burn down heaven and earth than see their portions reduced. As one regional expert told me: “Because the pie is getting smaller, their appetite is getting bigger.” The same source speculated as to whether Al-Kadhimi’s control over the budget could allow him to gradually “suffocate” the Hashd through squeezing their resources. Iraq’s UN envoy affirmed that the government’s priority was “restricting weapons to state hands” and consolidating Iraqi sovereignty. We’ll see what happens.

In Iraq and Lebanon, the Hashd and Hezbollah will fight tooth and nail to ensure they aren’t impacted by budget cuts; including corrupt revenue sources and their foot soldiers on the state payroll. In this fraught political environment, there are fears that militias are again resorting to assassinations and violence to confront all challengers. Following the deaths or disappearances of a string of figures associated with the protest movement, lawyer and activist Daoud Al-Hamdani was assassinated in Diyala in recent days.

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https://www.arabnews.com/node/1676051
 
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There's no capacity to do anything against any militia's as ISIS remains a major threat since we know their capabilities.
 
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Imagine being the biggest NATO slave hosting American and Israeli officials and embassies aka spy nests but talk about independence and ''countering terrorists'' but in reality just carrying out the American and zionist plans for the region.
Says iranian pro-mullah regime “nationalist” living in US
The level of hypocrisy is surreal
 
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There's no official definition of when a country is 'real', as ultimately they're all artificial.

Official schmofficial. You should understand that there is a critical difference between a foreign country thousands of miles away, drawing some borders and giving everyone living within that border a new identity, and tell them to live together under the flag of this new country. And a country forming naturally over thousands of years.

We have a far more diverse population. Azeris, Assyrians, Armenians, Turkmens, Kurds, Balochs, Persians, Lors among many others. We have Muslims (Shia, Sunni, and some other weird sects), Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and many more officially unrecognized religions.


And Iran has not been through worse at all, it was not bombarded by the US including all its allies. You didn't get a no-fly zone or cruise missiles throughout the 90's, did not get a ground invasion as last and you did not have your government overthrown.

Yes we were, we were bombarded by US and all its allies through Saddam when US, Soviet, KSA, and the western world backed him. Giving access to the world market, satellite coverage for Iraqi troops, chemical weapons, financial aid, all the latest military hardware, do I need to continue? While we were sanctioned and embargoed. Our government were in fact overthrown in 1979.

Comparing the 1979 revolution with..

a combination of 1991 war, sanctions, several more bombings, 2003 invasion and ISIS in 2014 is quite a joke. The war did not start in 2003, and it did not end in 2003. It never ended, it sparked in 2006-2008 (known as the surge) and exploded in 2014. It started in 1991 for your info. Iran has not been through what Iraq went through, your last war was in 1988. The US could have done the same to you back then, what was Iran capable of in 1991? Iraq was able to stop you.

We have been through much worse. We have been through dozens of wars, we have been conquered and destroyed several times. The mongol invasion alone reduced our population down to 15%. We have always been able to rebuild. We bordered and fought the Ottomans for decades during our weakest point in history, when the Ottomans were considered the superpower of the world. We have always rebuilt. You have had 17 years to rebuild.

Had the US done the same to us back in 1991, no doubt they would have destroyed our military. But never in a million years would we be in the same situation as you, as we dont have ethnic or sectarian conflicts like you. We would have rebuilt within a couple years. Only difference is, we would have a different government.

Forming a united Iraqi government, is like asking the Palestinians and Jews to live under an Israeli flag. Its not going to work
 
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israel is 1 trillion times successful state then iraq .
...............................because of the support and protection of the US. you are welcome.

Now, the problem is me? If it is me, i can just stop.
You are not the problem, but your trolling is. your last post @camelguy asked what your point was was trolling, but masked as blabbing facts..smh. i think i know who your true leanings now on this forum. thanks.

If Iraq cant make sure the terrorists on its territory are not a threat to my country,we do it ourselves.
We make it legal,capish?
Um, no! You being from an apparently civilized country should already know that you dont take the laws into your hands just because you can. it seems TUrkey is more like a dicatorship/militaristic regime just hiding behind NATO and image of democracy?

It's not exactly a good thing, Iran is disliked by locals.
But did those locals thank Iran for providing so much infrastructure building materials like steel and cement to rebuilt a completely destroyed Iraq? are those locals enjoying electricity that is only available in Iraq due to Iran providing it? How do those locals feel about Iran's help via military equipment and advisors that stopped Iraq from being run by ISIS completely? in essence those locals are ignorant and dunno wtf is really going on and who actually helped them.
All they did is make use of the power vacuum to export their trash to us,
thats one side of the story- Iran also exported fruits, cement, natural gas! electricity, military equipment(US wont sell to you)...but you ignored all that? I strongly suggest that next time Iran should let the IRaqi state enter Chaos, and Iran can enter and just annex Basra and southern Iraq to Iran once and for all.
their influence has turned the country into a shithole beyond American physical destruction.
ha ha -- learn to take responsibility, because for 1, u have no other choice. you complain when its bad, but laugh when its good. if you guys had kept your country together, and not let US in to destroy everything permanently, your country would be in so much better shape now. stop playing victim.

There's no capacity to do anything against any militia's as ISIS remains a major threat since we know their capabilities.
do you think its a random coincidence that ISIS just "strengthened"itself in Iraq just after US agreed to pull out of Iraq? I dont believe there is any random coincidence there.
 
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