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Iraqi And Syrian Christians Form An Armed Group “The Lions of the Canyon” Against IS

ya i know as a christian myself ....it really feels bad when Christians nation happens to be so strong yet they are interested in bombing some fucked up terrorist in Afghanistan rather than killing these filth ISIL Who are involved in massacre of thousands of minorities...


There is no Christian nation,Christianity is being ridiculed and sidelined in the West.When we entered the EU liberals forced us to take the icons out of school rooms,only the commies did that before.Now,the same liberal hippies are asking that Religion class be made optional and dropped out of schools curriculum and that the Church shouldn't receive money from the state.Now this siege on the Faith continues in Eastern European countries,especially in those like mine where people still pack churches every Sunday.

On top of that,the plight of the oldest Christians ,those in the ME is being ignored for years .
 
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Carving out a country ( Israel 2.0 as you called it ) in the Middle East is another form of meddling in the region, the US meddling, invading and using genocidal sanctions is what has pushed out the Christians in the first place.

From your posts it looks like you don't like Russian meddling in Europe. You're calling them a colonial power whilst calling for the west to do the same in the middle east which they have been doing for a long time with bad outcome as we still see today.

Don't you see the double standard there.

As for Hazzy he changes opinion daily, not worthy arguing with.

Correct. The issue is bigger than that. All this would not have happened had the ME/Muslim world been powerful like for much of it's very long history.

What is Satan worshipper? Both Christianity and Islam were descended from the ancient Semitic/Abrahamic religion. Thus, these two religions are equally indigenous for the Arabs who are the rightful descendants of the ancient Semitic people.

Most Arabs chose to follow Islam, so that's their choice, it is none of other people's business.

Mind you that your own ancestors were once Pagans who used to worship the Pagan Gods, and it has nothing to do with the Abrahamic God at all.

Spot on my friend.;)

Christians already have a state in the Middle East, it's called Lebanon.....

Precisely. The French actually created Lebanon for this purpose although the territory of modern-day Lebanon itself is not something new but actually one of the oldest nation states on the planet if you consider the state as an inheritor of the great ancient Semitic Phoenicians or otherwise just Phoenicia.

@Halimi who is the only Lebanese here will explain more.

Anyway the Christian Arabs and other of our Christian minorities have every right to protect themselves in my eyes but carving out territory to create separate states is ridiculous. By that logic, since the Arab world is quite a huge landmass to put it mildly and a diverse one too, then you would have 100's of new states based on ancient historical regions, provinces, dialects, sects, tribes, ethnicities and all you can think about. I have not even included all those idiotic terrorist groups from all sides that hijack Arab territory.
 
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I remember a story in Al Jazeera a Church in Palestine gave shelter to victims of the bombing and allowed them to pray using the church compound. It was a heart warming story.




you are in Bangalore right? How are Christians treated there?

come on dude is there a question of treatement in india....just forget about it we are happy in india and i wouldnt trade for it till the death.
 
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Crimea is now belongs to Russia, you people better to accept the reality.

A submissive Russia will only further become more disintegrated, so Putin wants to do the opposite which has helped Russia to regain its foot. He is the national hero for the Russian people.



You wanna teach both China and Russia with little more humility, then good luck with that. :enjoy:

Todays National Hero is tomorrows loser in the elections.
People, given a chance, are very fickle and its is very uncommon for someone,
Politician or party, to stay in power for long in a democracy. 8-12 years, and thats it.

Putin will have to engage in massive election fraud (if not already done) to stay in power.
 
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agreed, Christians and Muslims have lived together for thousand years we coexist and live peacefully in Syria, and in Greater Syria

Lion do you speak Aramaic? The language of beloved Christ?

By the way, I love your posts cousin. Long may Christians live in Syria and the Middle East. I have had the great fortune to meet many from they are a great and humble people.
 
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Lion do you speak Aramaic? The language of beloved Christ?

By the way, I love your posts cousin. Long may Christians live in Syria and the Middle East. I have had the great fortune to meet many from they are a great and humble people.

Aramaic is only spoken in the liturgical form among Arab Christians and Christians in the Arab world. Most people do not use the language (which is closely related to Arabic as a fellow Semitic language) on a daily basis outside of the Syrian town Ma'loula.

Most Arab Christians are good people but some of them have an unhealthy hatred for their fellow Muslim Arabs - mostly only some of those abroad.

Otherwise Arab Christians, Jews and Muslims have lived with each other for an eternity almost and mostly without many problems. But when there is chaos in a country that is in a war or conflict such problems are always occurring.

In a perfect world militias should not even exist but only state institutions (army, police etc.) They should be protecting their citizens regardless of faith etc.

Unfortuantely they cannot do so in neither Syria or Iraq.
 
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Aramaic is only spoken in the liturgical form among Arab Christians and Christians in the Arab world. Most people do not use the language (which is closely related to Arabic as a fellow Semitic language) on a daily basis outside of the Syrian town Ma'loula.

Most Arab Christians are good people but some of them have an unhealthy hatred for their fellow Muslim Arabs - mostly only some of those abroad.

Otherwise Arab Christians, Jews and Muslims have lived with each other for an eternity almost and mostly without many problems. But when there is chaos in a country that is in a war or conflict such problems are always occurring.

In a perfect world militias should not even exist but only state institutions (army, police etc.) They should be protecting their citizens regardless of faith etc.

Unfortuantely they cannot do so in neither Syria or Iraq.

Good to see you back bro.
 
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Good to see you back bro.

Thank you bro.

You can see a quite interesting video about the Syrian city I am talking about.

Honestly speaking then the best scenario in Syria right now is for Al-Assad to win if the alternative is ISIS or Al-Nusra. In a perfect world both Al-Assad and ISIS should be gone and the majority of the Syrians should rule instead. As both have committed hideous crimes. ISIS are really bad but Al-Assad is not much better. Just ask all those Syrians he has killed - mostly civilians. They hate both equally.


Oh, Prophet Isa (as) also spoke Hebrew with all due possibility. Aramaic back then was spoken from Yemen to Syria and across the ME as a lingua franca like we speak English today.

I once embarked on trying to learn Aramaic but I never finished my project. Too little time and different priorities.:D
 
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Aramaic is only spoken in the liturgical form among Arab Christians and Christians in the Arab world. Most people do not use the language (which is closely related to Arabic as a fellow Semitic language) on a daily basis outside of the Syrian town Ma'loula.

Most Arab Christians are good people but some of them have an unhealthy hatred for their fellow Muslim Arabs - mostly only some of those abroad.

Otherwise Arab Christians, Jews and Muslims have lived with each other for an eternity almost and mostly without many problems. But when there is chaos in a country that is in a war or conflict such problems are always occurring.

In a perfect world militias should not even exist but only state institutions (army, police etc.) They should be protecting their citizens regardless of faith etc.

Unfortuantely they cannot do so in neither Syria or Iraq.

Very true, Aramaic and Arabic are as closely related as Dutch to German.
 
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Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic-- all go back to one ancient "root" language we might call "Common Semitic". This is the starting place for understanding why a speaker of one language may understand, or at least easily learn, another of the languages. It's a bit like French, Italian and Spanish speakers whose languages all go back to Latin.

Now much of the ancient historical relationship amongst the different Semitic languages is obscure, and some of it is highly debated, since that 'language history' has to be reconstructed based on clues left in the languages (or in written records of earlier forms of the languages). The "family tree" model also has some significant weaknesses (see below), but is still useful for drawing a rough picture.

Here's a sketch:

1) HEBREW and Aramaic are fairly closely related, coming from two 'subbranches' of part of the large tree of Semitic. "Aramaic" actually covers a diversity of dialects. Hebrew is a "Canaanite" language (the last remaining), and was spoken by the 'people of Israel' up to the time of the Babylonian Captivity in the 6th century B.C.. (The precise beginnings of Hebrew are murky.)

These two subbranches are the main representatives of what are usually called the "Northwest Semitic languages", though in more recent systems they may also be called "North Central Semitic" languages.

2) ARAMAIC - Historically we know that various types of Aramaic were spoken in Syria (a region called "Aram" in the first millennium)-- in the lands between the Mediterranean coast and Mesopotamia. These lands and peoples came under the control of the Assyrians ("Neo-Assyrian Empire"), then the Babylonians ("Neo-Babylonian Empre" of Nebuchadnezzar, etc), and later the (non-Semitic) Persians. But rather than these peoples adopting the language of their Mesopotamian conquerors (esp. the "Neo-Assyrian" and "Neo-Babylonian" dialects of the Eastern Semitic language scholars call "Akkadian"), Aramaic itself became the lingua franca of these empires, and eventually many of the legal documents were written in Aramaic. (Persia continued this practice.) [Note that "Neo-Babylonian" is NOT Aramaic, but the dialect of Akkadian.]

Leading members of the Hebrew-speaking peoples of the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were carried into exile by the Assyrians & Babylonians. When their descendants returned they brought the Aramaic language back with them, though they continued to use Hebrew for religious purposes. (Because these returnees were chiefly from the former Kingdom of Judah, they were called "Judahites", from which we get the word "Jews" ["Juedisch" /"Yiddish" in German]. )

Aramaic dialects of various sorts continued to dominate the region for many centuries (though Greek was also used for various purposes after the rise of the Greek Empire and esp its Mesopotamain offshoot, the Seleucids). In the early centuries of the church the later Aramaic dialect/language known as Syriac was dominant (hence one of the earliest translations of the New Testament is the Syriac).

3) Another Semitic language, ARABIC, swept across the region and displaced most of the Aramaic dialects with the rise of Islam and Arab conquest (though a few small pockets preserved Aramaic, and a handful of "Neo-Aramaic" dialects survive to this day). But what exactly is the relationship of this Semitic language, esp. to Aramaic?

The "family tree" explanation has shifted a bit over the years. Arabic used to be classified with "Southern Semitic" languages (including Southern Arabian and, more distantly, the Ethiopic Semitic languages). In the past generation a new scheme has been widely accepted which suggest a closer ORIGINAL relationship of Arabic to those "Northwest Semitic" languages (including Aramaic) -- and groups them together as "Central Semitic" languages.
 
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There is no Christian nation,Christianity is being ridiculed and sidelined in the West.When we entered the EU liberals forced us to take the icons out of school rooms,only the commies did that before.Now,the same liberal hippies are asking that Religion class be made optional and dropped out of schools curriculum and that the Church shouldn't receive money from the state.Now this siege on the Faith continues in Eastern European countries,especially in those like mine where people still pack churches every Sunday.

On top of that,the plight of the oldest Christians ,those in the ME is being ignored for years .

This is a inevitable process once secularism has been the dominating force in a region for almost 200 years. At least in Western Europe and France in particular that I for obvious reasons know the best.

You cannot demand more religion when your system values secularism. Those two are oxymorons. All that would not have been a problem had secularism not existed. I am afraid that you can't have it both ways.

With a secular system enforced in all of your laws and public dealings religion becomes a purely private matter. Once that happens most people tend to be less observing as the religion is less visible on all fronts. Be it in your private sphere and most importantly public sphere. That's what has happened in Western Europe and is starting to happen even in Eastern Europe if not already happened with the young generation. Religion for most will just be something cultural and something that you observe during the main religious holidays. Look how little religious value the two main Christian holidays have in Europe and the "Christian World". Christmas and Easter is more about Santa Claus (has nothing to do with any Christianity or Palestine/Israel of today), Coca Cola and Kinder Surprise Eggs. I know this from first hand and from family. Then some (mostly Catholics and Orthodox Christians) attend Midnight Mass. But that's about it.

If a similar thing had happened in the ME (as long a tradition of secularism) the situation would be the same in the ME.

It has both positives and negatives depending on who you ask. I prefer a middle ground myself. I might be a Shafi'i Sunni Muslim by origin but lately I have been impressed by the Mu'tazila (Islamic school) that was/is known for rational thought and reason.
 
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I have been impressed by the Mu'tazila (Islamic school) that was/is known for rational thought and reason.

I'd be interested to know your thoughts on this in a separate thread. They were responsible for a great deal of scientific advancement in the Muslim world at the time.
 
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All this Fire is started by the US themselves with the help of there Psyco Allies in Saudia Qatar and UAE. Whay are some christian brothers weaning now? Christians were living there lives happily under Syrian Arab Republic and Iraq. They still live happily in Egypt.
This Psycotic Jehad thing was created by the white people in the first place. All the Locals suffer due to power games of the West in Middle East. And all of our middle eastern Brothers suffer be them Sunnis Shias Yazidis or Christians and Jews.
I dont get the point of this "Christian Brothers" logic by some of the Westerners. They are fellow citizen of Arab Muslims who are persecuted by the groups such as Alnusra and ISIS created and supported by west to simply destabilize Growing Iran Influence.

There Politics and Power games have Destroyed the whole region
 
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Lion do you speak Aramaic? The language of beloved Christ?

By the way, I love your posts cousin. Long may Christians live in Syria and the Middle East. I have had the great fortune to meet many from they are a great and humble people.
Unfortunately I don't....

Thanks you bro!

Are you Christian, @Syrian Lion ?
I'm Syrian, and yes!
 
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