Iraq Sunni Mufti: ISIS and Al Qaeda Slaughtered 300 Sunni Clerics (English Subtitles)

[punit]

Every non Muslim who knows a bit about Islamic history feels the same.how can you support people who killed Muhammad's daughter,son in law and grandsons and call himself follower of Muhammad.

from WIKI:

Umar ibn Sa'ad ordered a man to dismount and to finish the job. Khowali ibn Yazid al-Asbahiy preceded the man but became afraid and did not do it. Then Shimr ibn Dhiljawshan dismounted his horse and cut Hussein's throat with his sword whilst Hussein was prostrating to God. Just before his throat was about to be cut, Hussein asked Shimr ibn Dhiljawshan, "Have you done your prayers today?" and this shocked Shimr because he did not expect anyone in the position of Hussein to ask such a question. Then Imam Hussain (A.S) asked for the permission to do Asr prayers (because it was the time of 3rd prayer). Shimir gave the permission to say the prayers and Imam Hussain (A.S) started prayer and when he went into Sajda. Shimr ibn Dhiljawshan betrayed and said: "I swear by God that I am cutting your head while I know that you are grandson of the messenger of Allah and the best of the people by father and mother" he cut head of Hussein ibn Ali with his sword and raised the head .[63] Then ibn Sa'ad's men looted all the valuables from Hussein's body.

and they still have guts to call themselves Muslims !

 

[raptor22]

I for the 1000's time am a Makkawi Hashemite that follows the Shafi'i fiqh in Sunni Islam. Something my family has done for over 1000 years. As most Hijazis also do and have done for over 1 millenium.

That brainwashed Rafidah is really something. I am using a name that your clerics used themselves. They openly called themselves rejecters.

 

[al-Hasani]

What are you trying to imply? You are yourself a follower of a cult (the current so-called "Islamic" rule in Iran). Rafidah is something your earliest Shia leaders called themselves. Besides it was a reply to the troll's "Wahhabi" nonsense.

I don't care about that Lebanese lunatic cleric. I don't follow any living clerics or follow clerics blindly as some do. All the clerics I follow are dead and were the greatest men in Islam.

 

[Serpentine]

How is this any news? Al-Qaeda and similar groups have mostly been killing Sunni Muslims and not Shia's. Whether in Yemen, KSA in the 2000's, Iraq, Syria or elsewhere. They only want their own group and twisted ideology to succeed. They also kill their own members if they express doubts about what they are doing.

Wrong, the majority of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks target Shias, however any opposing Sunni voice is also targeted.

 

[al-Hasani]

Wrong, the majority of suicide bombings and terrorist attacks target Shias, however any opposing Sunni voice is also targeted.

No, it's not wrong. I follow Arab affairs very closely. Especially Saudi Arabian and Iraqi for obvious reasons. Most of the violent attacks are not suicide bombings. They are a minority.

The most violent provinces (where most people die) are the Sunni Arab majority provinces. Even in Baghdad many of the casualties are Iraqi Sunni Arabs.

It's the Iraqi Sunni Arabs who are displaced, it's their towns who are destroyed, it's their lands that are hijacked, it's their lands that do not receive investments for those reasons and it's their people who are caught between ISIS lunatics and Al-Maliki's sectarian and imcompetent regime.

Don't try to tell me that the security situation in terms of unrest in the various provinces has changed much since 2012 because it has not.

The Shia Arab majority provinces in the South are the most stable outside of KRG.

 

[raptor22]

Hold on.... what are ISIS then? Sunni branch or Shia branch?

They are neither Shia nor Sunni .... they are a bunch of extremists to distort Islam image worldwide ... as you see they kill anyone who oppose them ...

What are you trying to imply? You are yourself a follower of a cult (the current so-called "Islamic" rule in Iran). Rafidah is something your earliest Shia leaders called themselves. Besides it was a reply to the troll's "Wahhabi" nonsense.

I don't care about that Lebanese lunatic cleric. I don't follow any living clerics or follow clerics blindly as some do. All the clerics I follow are dead and were the greatest men in Islam.

Nothing, as you mentioned you follow Shafi'i fiqh in Sunni Islam therefore I wanted to say even imam Shafi'i called himself Rafidah when it comes to Ahlul beit.
Shia is not a cult it's a sect in Islam, Shia means follower of Imam Ali (sa). the only different between us and our Sunni brothers is we believe that true successor after prophet (pbuh) is Imam Ali(sa) and his descendants .

And one more question if you don't follow no living cleric then who do you ask your questions from?

 

[anHuman]

They are freaking killing everyone they can see.
There are videos they are releasing on youtube that show them driving beside a car full of Iraqis and unloading their bullets in them.
Can you freaking tell which sect a family belongs to in the car next to you on a highway?
For once, apply common sense.


They will see it eventually themselves. It will take time and a hell load of damage.
But they will see it themselves.

don't ask impossible things form these guys ...
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to pro ISIS :
anyway , ISIS killing suni clerics has nothing with Shia , so don't change course of the topic ...

 

[al-Hasani]

@raptor22

I did not call Shia Islam a cult. I call the Islamic system in Iran a cult.

Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were sects who claimed/claim to be following Sunni Islam who are cults or semi-cults too. Does not mean that Sunni Islam is a cult.

What is your comment about this video?

Regarding clerics then I seek guidance from respected Sunni Muslim clerics if necessary. My point is that I do not follow clerics blindly or consider them as "holy cows" just because they have a certain ancestry, family name or because they wear a black turban.

I was not precise before.

 

[raptor22]

@raptor22

I did not call Shia Islam a cult. I call the Islamic system in Iran a cult.

Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were sects who claimed/claim to be following Sunni Islam who are cults or semi-cults too. Does not mean that Sunni Islam is a cult.

What is your comment about this video?

Regarding clerics then I seek guidance from respected Sunni Muslim clerics if necessary. My point is that I do not follow clerics blindly or consider them as "holy cows" just because they have a certain ancestry, family name or because they wear a black turban.

I was not precise before.

We discussed on the same issue a few days ago, you said why did I brought up Imamt related stuff and my Qs remained unanswered ...
This thread
Just answer this question then I'll respond all your question .... do you believe in this Hadis:

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
.مَنْ مات وليس في عنقه بيعة مات ميتة جاهلية
Or
.من مات ولم يعرف إمام زمانه مات ميتة جاهلية​

ps: do you have any mail or anything else to discuss there ...?

 

[Multani]

this is what the Saudi funded wahabi/salafi scum are doing

The murders he is mentioning about are past events [ within the last decade ]

The sectarian government in Iraq, led by Maliki, and starting with Allawi has killed more than 10 times that number of Sunni scholars.

@raptor22

I did not call Shia Islam a cult. I call the Islamic system in Iran a cult.

Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were sects who claimed/claim to be following Sunni Islam who are cults or semi-cults too. Does not mean that Sunni Islam is a cult.

What is your comment about this video?

Regarding clerics then I seek guidance from respected Sunni Muslim clerics if necessary. My point is that I do not follow clerics blindly or consider them as "holy cows" just because they have a certain ancestry, family name or because they wear a black turban.

I was not precise before.

The Islamic system in Saudi Arabia is also a cultish

 

[1000]

The murders he is mentioning about are past events [ within the last decade ]

The sectarian government in Iraq, led by Maliki, and starting with Allawi has killed more than 10 times that number of Sunni scholars.



The Islamic system in Saudi Arabia is also a cultish

can you name those scholars killed

10*300 = 3000

I want the names of 3000 scholars killed by the gov

 

[al-Hasani]

The murders he is mentioning about are past events [ within the last decade ]

The sectarian government in Iraq, led by Maliki, and starting with Allawi has killed more than 10 times that number of Sunni scholars.



The Islamic system in Saudi Arabia is also a cultish

Go worship your ancestor grave somewhere in Pakistan.

There is nobody in KSA that claims to be "holy cows". It's not a perfect system but it's closer to an Islamic system than anything seen in Iran or elsewhere for that matter.

 

[Multani]

No, it's not wrong. I follow Arab affairs very closely. Especially Saudi Arabian and Iraqi for obvious reasons. Most of the violent attacks are not suicide bombings. They are a minority.

The most violent provinces (where most people die) are the Sunni Arab majority provinces. Even in Baghdad many of the casualties are Iraqi Sunni Arabs.

It's the Iraqi Sunni Arabs who are displaced, it's their towns who are destroyed, it's their lands that are hijacked, it's their lands that do not receive investments for those reasons and it's their people who are caught between ISIS lunatics and Al-Maliki's sectarian and imcompetent regime.

Don't try to tell me that the security situation in terms of unrest in the various provinces has changed much since 2012 because it has not.

The Shia Arab majority provinces in the South are the most stable outside of KRG.

Half the deaths in Iraq have been shia arabs

 

[al-Hasani]

We discussed on the same issue a few days ago, you said why did I brought up Imamt related stuff and my Qs remained unanswered ...
This thread
Just answer this question then I'll respond all your question .... do you believe in this Hadis:

قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم
.مَنْ مات وليس في عنقه بيعة مات ميتة جاهلية
Or
.من مات ولم يعرف إمام زمانه مات ميتة جاهلية​

ps: do you have any mail or anything else to discuss there ...?

Long religious discussions are not allowed on PDF. Last time I engaged in such discussions they were deleted and warnings were issued despite it being civil.

Your Shia's interpretation are fundamentally differently from the ones that all schools of Sunni Islam consider as correct. Thus we will not agree.

The bigger question is how come anyone can recognize "Imam" Khomeini as the highest religious authority in the world and as the leader of Muslims until the coming of Al-Mahdi (ra) when he says such nonsense as in that video?

Did you knew that he barely was able to speak Arabic?

Well, I am just wondering.

 

[Multani]

can you name those scholars killed

10*300 = 3000

I want the names of 3000 scholars killed by the gov

you can start from Basra / Rifai / Suq ash Shuyukh. And then Babil / Wasit / Baghdad, and then the north. Go city by city, town by town, village by village, and mosque by mosque, and ask locals how many Sunni Ulema have disappeared, shot dead, mutilated, blown up by booby trap bombs.

And these were not by the ISIS terrorists.

Khaled al Mulla has been conservativewith the 300 figure. ISIS has killed far more than that.