Iraq and Iran plot oil revolution in challenge to Saudi Arabia

[Yzd Khalifa]

Now, even Indian oil companies seem to be very interested in investing in Iran oil industries:

Gulf Times - Indian refiners say ready to start Iran oil cash transfer

Again the saudi conspirationnist theories

Everything Iran does is necessarry against the saudis

And of course when the saudis send zionist Al Qaeda it's only to help people

Nothing of any sort. We don't give a real rat about what Iran plots bro

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Saudi Arabia is allied with other oil exporting countries especially Kuwait, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Yemen and Libya.

 

[al-Hasani]

The GCC alone sits on about 40% of all the oil and gas reserves in the world.

The only regional country that can threaten the GCC is Israel. Not a sanctioned, poor, crime, drug, mut'ah, rafida etc. ridden country and another country that is on the bring of collapse and who already cannot control its territory as seen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

But let people dream.

 

[Surenas]

When Iran and Iraq increases their production, there are two things the Saudis can do: maintain their high oil output, which would mean an increase in the oil supply, therefore leading to a lower oil prices. This could have negative consequences for their oil-dominated economy. Second, KSA could lower its own output, therefore maintaining OPEC's control over worldwide oil prices. The OPEC believes that a daily output of 30 million barrels would keep the prices favorable. But KSA lowering its output would mean significantly less revenue for the House of Saud.

In both cases, KSA would lose its dominance over OPEC, leading to less revenue for the Saudis, and therefore more revenue for Iraq and Iran, thus greater regional economic influence of both these states. This significant economic growth of Iraq and Iran would probably go hand in hand with a stronger military presence of these states in the Persian Gulf and region. This is what the Saudis are really fearing. A united, economic and military strong Iraq and Iran would shift the balance in the entire region in favor of the Shia Alliance.

That is why the Saudis are messing with Iraq's security and lobbying in Western states to maintain sanctions on Iran.

 

[Cheetah786]

Lower Oil prices means lower prices for us Pakistanis Excellent!!!!!!!!!!! Not to mention 1000s of unemployed terrorist cause Sheikh cant afford to pay them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Surenas]

Lower Oil prices means lower prices for us Pakistanis Excellent!!!!!!!!!!! Not to mention 1000s of unemployed terrorist cause Sheikh cant afford to pay them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It wouldn't necessary mean lower oil prices. It depends on how the Saudis react. If they maintain their high output, the prices would fall. If they reduce their output, prices would remain steady around $100 per barrel.

 

[Informant]

Wake up seriously.

Im not poking fun, but do you really think with the amount of their ( KSA) reserves and their lobby you can challenge them by teaming up with Iran. Nopes, not gonna happen until and unless you have a completely developed oil industry which both Iran and Iraq have yet to attain.

One day maybe. Till then, as i said, a pipe dream.

 

[Serpentine]

You forgot the source.
Iraq and Iran plot oil revolution in challenge to Saudi Arabia - Telegraph

Iran doesn't have a real oil infrastructure. As a matter of fact, back in 2011-2012 Iran traded crude oil to Syria in exchange for gasoline.

Iran falling short of oil refining ambitions| Reuters

Here is another interesting analysis to Iran's situation:

Why Iran has no oil refineries?

And as for the Gulf countries, thank god for Aramco, SAABC, and Sadarah.

First of all, Iran does have 8 main refineries, one of them (Abadan) is the the first one in ME and was one of the greatest in the world for years after its construction in 1912. Also the oil in ME was first discovered in Iran in 1908, before any other Arab country discovers oil and Iran's oil industry had grown significantly when Arabs first discovered oil decades later.

8 refineries that are active right now:

Abadan Refinery (NIOC)
Arak Refinery (NIOC)
Tehran Refinery (NIOC)
Isfahan Refinery (NIOC)
Tabriz Refinery (NIOC)
Shiraz Refinery (NIOC)
Lavan Refinery (NIOC)
Bandar Abbas Refinery
Kermanshah refinery

Also there are more than 20 petrochemical plants in Iran, many of them built by Iran itself.

And comparing Iran ans KSA in oil industry is neither fair nor logical. Almost all of the major oil companies have helped and are already cooperating with Aramco to develop Saudi oil industry further, while all the foreign companies have leaved Iran because of sanctions. Also both Iran and Iraq had a significant decrease in oil productions because of the 8 year war and destruction of infrastructures, while Saudi Arabia has been aided by largest oil companies around the world, without being involved in any war.

Iran did have some problems in refining oil in the first years of oil sanctions (10 years ago), but almost all of them are solved with no help from outside.

I would like to see some sanctions like those in Iran against Saudi oil industry for years, then it would be totally fair to compare Iran and KSA situations.

And please, don't post links from 2007 for me.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

When Iran and Iraq increases their production, there are two things the Saudis can do: maintain their high oil output, which would mean an increase in the oil supply, therefore leading to a lower oil prices. This could have negative consequences for their oil-dominated economy. Second, KSA could lower its own output, therefore maintaining OPEC's control over worldwide oil prices. The OPEC believes that a daily output of 30 million barrels would keep the prices favorable. But KSA lowering its output would mean significantly less revenue for the House of Saud.

In both cases, KSA would lose its dominance over OPEC, leading to less revenue for the Saudis, and therefore more revenue for Iraq and Iran, thus greater regional economic influence of both these states. This significant economic growth of Iraq and Iran would probably go hand in hand with a stronger military presence of these states in the Persian Gulf and region. This is what the Saudis are really fearing. A united, economic and military strong Iraq and Iran would shift the balance in the entire region in favor of the Shia Alliance.

That is why the Saudis are messing with Iraq's security and lobbying in Western states to maintain sanctions on Iran.

When Iran and Iraq increases their production, there are two things the Saudis can do maintain their high oil output, which would mean an increase in the oil supply, therefore leading to a lower oil prices. This could have negative consequences for their oil-dominated economy. Second, KSA could lower its own output, therefore maintaining OPEC's control over worldwide oil prices. The OPEC believes that a daily output of 30 million barrels would keep the prices favorable

Up to this moment, such scheme as increasing oil production of Iran's and Iraq's remains to be an ink on paper. Both countries don't have the capabilities to do so. As a matter of fact, KSA is the only country which possess the capabilities to do so.

Speaking of the prices as per barrel, we never complied with a given price over the years whatsoever. If OPEC puts a fixed price then be it as it may, but this won't prevent us from selling it at a lower price.

But KSA lowering its output would mean significantly less revenue for the House of Saud.

Iran would be the biggest loser in this game. Back in the 80s we sold oil cheaper than what all countries in the world would have expected. This of course has lead to strangling the Mullahs' regime very well. We could do it again and again. And which countries would suffer from this? LoL I think you already know the answer.

In both cases, KSA would lose its dominance over OPEC, leading to less revenue for the Saudis, and therefore more revenue for Iraq and Iran

To what extent these " more revenues " would be? The better way to deal with this is to sell oil cheaper than what Iran desires to recover its economy, that's if all sanctions are lifted.

thus greater regional economic influence of both these states

Would this influence include the Iranians begging us to develop good relations with us?

No influence could be accomplished with this approach of yours.

This significant economic growth of Iraq and Iran would probably go hand in hand with a stronger military presence of these states in the Persian Gulf and region.

With the Qaher stealthy jet?

This is what the Saudis are really fearing. A united, economic and military strong Iraq and Iran would shift the balance in the entire region in favor of the Shia Alliance.

First of all, try to protect your fellow Iranians in Iraq.

That is why the Saudis are messing with Iraq's security and lobbying in Western states to maintain sanctions on Iran

You've been living under sanctions for more than three decades, what does KSA initially have to do with this?

The fact that Iran supported Al-Qaida in Iraq once upon time makes it the best candidate to fit in an accusation of " messing with Iraq security " myth.

 

[al-Hasani]

First of all there will never be a real alliance between Iraq and Iran. If Iraq will not get divided from within that is.

The GCC is BY far the strongest economy in the ME. Its position will not be threatened for decades to come. In fact I predict never. By 2050 the GCC will have a bigger population than Iran so simple numbers will not be a problem.

The income of oil and gas is lower in KSA than in both Iraq and Iran. In fact the GCC is steadily moving away from oil and gas. For instance oil and gas only forms 25% of the GDP of UAE and the share is getting smaller by each year.

Anyway as I said only Israel of regional countries can threaten the GCC which dwarfs everyone else financially, militarily, politically etc.

 

[Surenas]

There is already an alliance between Iran and Iraq. Only fools can't see it. And by alliance I mean an alliance between both governments.

And about Saudi's economy: The petroleum sector accounts for roughly 80% of budget revenues, 45% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings. .

 

[al-Hasani]

Up to this moment, such scheme as increasing oil production of Iran's and Iraq's remains to be an ink on paper. Both countries don't have the capabilities to do so. As a matter of fact, KSA is the only country which possess the capabilities to do so.

Speaking of the prices as per barrel, we never complied with a given price over the years whatsoever. If OPEC puts a fixed price then be it as it may, but this won't prevent us from selling it at a lower price.



Iran would be the biggest loser in this game. Back in the 80s we sold oil cheaper than what all countries in the world would have expected. This of course has lead to strangling the Mullahs' regime very well. We could do it again and again. And which countries would suffer from this? LoL I think you already know the answer.



To what extent these " more revenues " would be? The better way to deal with this is to sell oil cheaper than what Iran desires to recover its economy, that's if all sanctions are lifted.



Would this influence include the Iranians begging us to develop good relations with us?

No influence could be accomplished with this approach of yours.



With the Qaher stealthy jet?



First of all, try to protect your fellow Iranians in Iraq.



You've been living under sanctions for more than three decades, what does KSA initially have to do with this?

The fact that Iran supported Al-Qaida in Iraq once upon time makes it the best candidate to fit in an accusation of " messing with Iraq security " myth.

Don't waste your time with that stateless and culturally, religiously, genetically and linguistically conquered Kurd. Let him dream like they dream about a "Kurdistan".

Nothing changes the fact that GCC is dwarfing everyone else in the region when it comes to economy, military and political power. Outside Israel that is.

The GCC is booming forward as all economic indicators also point to and the actual growth. Away from oil and gas too.

 

[Surenas]

Up to this moment, such scheme as increasing oil production of Iran's and Iraq's remains to be an ink on paper. Both countries don't have the capabilities to do so. As a matter of fact, KSA is the only country which possess the capabilities to do so.

It is closer than ever. If Iran and the US would make a final deal, investors would start to invest in Iran's petroleum sector again. Iran could easily increase its production to pre-sanction levels. And within a couple of decades we could surpass KSA's production.

Speaking of the prices as per barrel, we never complied with a given price over the years whatsoever. If OPEC puts a fixed price then be it as it may, but this won't prevent us from selling it at a lower price.

Iran would be the biggest loser in this game. Back in the 80s we sold oil cheaper than what all countries in the world would have expected. This of course has lead to strangling the Mullahs' regime very well. We could do it again and again. And which countries would suffer from this? LoL I think you already know the answer.

These aren't the 80s anymore. OPEC countries don't have the same influence as back then. Iran has already proven that it can handle oil-related sanctions i.e. less export and revenue.

To what extent these " more revenues " would be? The better way to deal with this is to sell oil cheaper than what Iran desires to recover its economy, that's if all sanctions are lifted.

Nothing Iran would worry about. Iran's oil minister already said that they would increase production even if oil prices would fall to 20 dollars per barrel.

Would this influence include the Iranians begging us to develop good relations with us?

Is that why the Saudis invited Rouhani to come for pilgrimage to Mecca this year, like they did the same with Rafsanjani before?

With the Qaher stealthy jet?

Like buying overpriced Western fighters with your petrodollars.

First of all, try to protect your fellow Iranians in Iraq.

First thing first. Like Syria for example.

Don't waste your time with that stateless and culturally, religiously, genetically and linguistically conquered Kurd. Let him dream like they dream about a "Kurdistan".

Lol at the mentally twisted Saudi (or half Iraqi/Spanish/French/Yemeni/Omani/Shimmari/Emirati) calling others stateless while living in the land of the House of Saud. A family which a century ago still lived like primitive nomads.

GCC is hot air. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Shah9]

The only regional country that can threaten the GCC is Israel. Not a sanctioned, poor, crime, drug, mut'ah, rafida etc. ridden country and another country that is on the bring of collapse and who already cannot control its territory as seen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

But let people dream.

When was the last major wars Saudia fought against a sovereign nation? Is it on modernized, fully equipped and last man standing wars or the middle age?

Now if you want a serious confrontation, withdraw of all the western bases in the Gulf or we'll end up like what Iraq did. "33 countries" (including World Powers) approved military by a pinocchio who fled to Riyadh and to the White House.

 

[al-Hasani]

Stateless Kurds are funny. Despite being culturally, religiously, genetically and linguistically conquered and pissed at by Arabs and Turks for centuries they still think that they are relevant. Get a country first peasant and then speak.

GCC is "hot air". Is that why it DWARFS your failed state and any other regionals countries economy by a LARGE margin. Dwarfs you military and politically as well.

Why it is regarded as one of the most stable areas by foreign investors and one of the areas of the world where a constant and rapid growth takes place? Why every economic prediction that involves the GCC has a very positive outlook?

If GCC is hot air then I can't imagine what your IMAGINARY "Kurdistan" and Iran is.