Iran's legal right to attack Israel

[Zulkarneyn]

I have a question, Who are actually Arabs? Only the people who speak Arabic are Arabs or something else?

I had been in Istanbul for a week, The Turks with whom I interacted consider themselves as western and they never want them to be grouped with the Arabs!



Never come to that conclusion... I had discussed with many nuke trigger happy Pakistani's.... Just after one year, We went to Kargil conflict... See the chest thumping from both sides!

Try and imagine what would happen if neither of you (India and Pakistan) didn't have nuclear weapons? I highly doubt it would be better than today. I think like this:
Nuclear is indeed evil, but it is an evil to prevent greater evil. Once a country gets nuclear they are protected from other countries' invasion. We also have to keep in mind that today more and more people on earth are getting access to the internet and education thrives in poorer countries. Once the network is established and people are educated in a good sense, in 20 or maybe 50 years countries will work to destroy their warheads, once old rivalries are removed. I am not a pessimist who believes that war and suffering is an inherent part of humans. I think war is a part of ignorance and incivility. The atrocities we see in Iraq and Afghanistan done by American soldiers is result of non-educated people who are easily indoctrinated into thinking that their "enemy" is non-human and thus murder civilians. I highly doubt that people who had a college education would think that way, they are empathetic. Therefore i am an optimist who believe that once education becomes universal and people come to understand that other nations inhabitant are humans as well, just like themselves, they will get over the ancient rivalries and hatred and work together for a better future of humankind. And i honestly believe humans are capable of that.

 

[longbrained]

I do not believe Israel will ever attack Iran. There are many reasons for that. It is an election year in Israel, US, France and Russia and even Chinese president is to be changed. In such an environment it is very risky to start a war. Then it is price of oil which is going up every day. The day of the attack every one can bet that oil will atleast double its price and if the conflict is widened by Iranian response then expect several times rise in price of oil. This is bad for European and American economies as Greek style riots will hit US and European streets.

So the war initiated by western countries is out of question and all the rhetoric is a psychological war to pressure Iran and win concessions from Iran for the west in any upcoming negotiations. It is just to scare Iran into submission. Nothing else. Iran is too powerful for the west to invade it or incapacitate it.

As for Iran attacking Israel, I do not think that is going to happen. Iran is very much content with the low intensity conflict fought by the locals there as Iran can can just support the locals without getting its hands dirty. And it has a much lower cost and better chances of success. Nelson Mandela used to bomb places in South Africa and was a terrorist back then, until the fascist South African government fell. Iran envisages a similar scenario with regard to Israel. The fascist regime falls, the whole country unites with Jews and Palestinians living in peace together while the Jews which illegally have immigrated there will leave for their countries of origin if the local population demands. Iran contrary to the western media lies is a very peaceful country. The last time Iran attacked another nation was in battle of Karnal almost 300 years ago. Very few nations can claim such a record in today's world and I do not think Iranians would want to break their own record. Iran is not a war monger like US or UK which have attacked others numerous times in the past 300 years, killing hundreds of millions of people in process. At any rate Iran is only interested to defend itself and change the way the world economy runs eg. by finishing off the dollars and also get a home for Palestinians. These goals can not be met by war but by slow and steady resistance, which Iran has been doing for the past 33 years.

This article written by an Iranian has a motive behind it. As pressure on Iran is mounting, Iranians maybe about to start using the same techniques that west is using against Iran, that is pre-emptive strike. This way Iran gains more, since instability caused by rising rhetoric for pre-emptive strikes from both sides will increase the price of oil and geo-strategical risk for American allies in the region. In such a situation, Iran has more to gain than US and Israel. So maybe as the article suggests Iran is about to play the same game, west playing in order to make west back off.

 

[longbrained]

And yeah, I believe that a nuclear armed Iran is going to be good for the world and the region as it will prevent wars and conflict in region which ultimately mean the rise in oil prices which the whole world has to pay since 60% of world's oil reserves are in middle east. A nuclear armed Iran, a nation that is cultured and sophisticated and has not attacked another country for almost 300 years is the solution to the middle east problem which is filled with American puppets, left and right. It is not a problem. Nuclear armed Iran is the only solution for this mess. And at any rate, nuclear weapons prevent wars and bring stability and security.

 

[longbrained]

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If Iran turns present day Israel into Nuclear wasteland then Where will the Palestine live in future? In Nuclear waste land? What are they fighting for?

That is just western propaganda. Iran does not want to nuke anybody or even attack anyone. They believe in resistance and see the fate of Israel the same way as the previous fascist regime of South Africa. Iran just believes in strong defense and not offense.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Iran is at a disadvantage if they do go to war with Israel American ships in the persian gulf would attack Iranian targets and wipe out there forces and let Israel take care of the leftovers.

 

[longbrained]

Just for an argument, what if Iran by now already have a nuke and they use it on israel ..????

you can start the war just US did in Afghanistan, but then you cant decide when to finish it...

That is possible. Atleast if you believe some people who are saying it. For example the Russian military chief had said, Iran already has nukes and only it has not yet tested them. You have to realize that for instance, Pakistan had nukes in 1980s but only tested them and "officially" became a nuclear power in 1998. Israel has not yet tested its weapons and is not officially a nuclear state. North Korea has tested and is now a nuclear armed state. That is how these things work. But even then, there are stories on the internet that Iran has already tested its nukes as well back in 2010. It is claimed that Iran had tested its weapons in North Korea in 2010 and had paid North Koreans 55 million dollars for leasing the nuclear test ground for two Iranian nuclear tests in 2010. It depends who you believe. But it is possible that Iran might already have nuclear weapons and delivery systems and might only test them if it sees that the country is in danger and about to be invaded in order to scare away the invaders.

 

[Leviza]

Iran is at a disadvantage if they do go to war with Israel American ships in the persian gulf would attack Iranian targets and wipe out there forces and let Israel take care of the leftovers.

how come you are so innocent or cant even think of logic??? or you are doing it on purpose?

Iran is not foolish like USA (fighting Afghan war from last 10 years or more without knowing the outcome), they will handle this at the same time ... and USA needs time to react .... within this time they will wipe israel out,

 

[LiberalAtheist]

how come you are so innocent or cant even think of logic??? or you are doing it on purpose?

Iran is not foolish like USA (fighting Afghan war from last 10 years or more without knowing the outcome), they will handle this at the same time ... and USA needs time to react .... within this time they will wipe israel out,

you obviously need to brush up on your logistics if the US deployed just 1 carrier task force in the Persian gulf they can easily control Iran and not to mention Iran can't destroy Israel with just there north korean knock off missiles Israel has ABM technology and the ships of the carrier task force would also shoot down Iran's missiles (see aegis BMD system for more info)

Iran would be foolish to start a conflict it is in there best interest to somehow avoid conventional war because they will straight up lose.

 

[longbrained]

you obviously need to brush up on your logistics if the US deployed just 1 carrier task force in the Persian gulf they can easily control Iran and not to mention Iran can't destroy Israel with just there north korean knock off missiles Israel has ABM technology and the ships of the carrier task force would also shoot down Iran's missiles (see aegis BMD system for more info)

Iran would be foolish to start a conflict it is in there best interest to somehow avoid conventional war because they will straight up lose.

No that only works for India. Just one carrier task group can invade India since Indians think of Americans as god. Iranians on the other hand will fight them. That is the difference. Americans know this and that is why they have never attacked Iran. If they had the capability to attack they would have already done it. Iran can take out the oil in Persian Gulf by just hitting oil facilities in Persian Gulf and taking out oil tankers. If Hizbullah could hit cargo ships and Israeli war ships, Iran can do it millions of times more. When oil goes out, the world will come to a stand still. That is how things work. Your views as an Indian who thinks of Americans as you god does not matter since senior CIA agents say Iran is too powerful for them, for example this one from four years ago:

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

If Iran attacks and wipe out Israel first, Then U,S,A has no interest. They will leave Israel alone.
U.S.A will use Israel for their own interest as long as they are alive.
Attacking first on Israel, Only winner is Iran.

I hope war will not happen.

 

[longbrained]

If Iran attacks and wipe out Israel first, Then U,S,A has no interest. They will leave Israel alone.
U.S.A will use Israel for their own interest as long as they are alive.
Attacking first on Israel, Only winner is Iran.

I hope war will not happen.

That is not going to happen as Iran is not a war monger and is not ruled by Bush. Iran is only interested in resistance and a strong defense by way of offense. Iran will only attack if it is under attack itself.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

No that only works for India. Just one carrier task group can invade India since Indians think of Americans as god. Iranians on the other hand will fight them. That is the difference. Americans know this and that is why they have never attacked Iran. If they had the capability to attack they would have already done it. Iran can take out the oil in Persian Gulf by just hitting oil facilities in Persian Gulf and taking out oil tankers. If Hizbullah could hit cargo ships and Israeli war ships, Iran can do it millions of times more. When oil goes out, the world will come to a stand still. That is how things work. Your views as an Indian who thinks of Americans as you god does not matter since senior CIA agents say Iran is too powerful for them, for example this one from four years ago:

Iran's navy is no match for the USN and its simple logic if anything you are overestimating Irans rudimentary capabilities and this has nothing to do with India why do you think China always get uneasy when one of the USN supercarriers are near there shores? get a brain and realize that if the Americans wanted too they could bomb Iran back to the stone age a Los Angeles class nuke sub a Nimitz class carrier and several arleigh burke destroyers will get the job done you obviously don't know anything about littoral warfare.

 

[Vassnti]

.... within this time they will wipe israel out,

Does anyone think before talking of wiping Israel out of all the Muslims that live there or the Muslim holy sites in Israel?

Besides Iran has its pets lob missiles into Israel when ever it feels the urge why bother with a fabrication of legal excuses to lob a few more?

 

[regular]

I don't think that Iran is going to do pre-emptive strike on Israel....this idea looks rubbish to me.Iran is a peaceful country and trying to survive in this cruel/mean world especially the from the western evils....

 

[rubyjackass]

A gem of an article. Looking at the title I thought somewhere inside the author would use the argument that sanctions are in fact an act of war(which I agree with btw). He drove the point home even without that. Kudos! I have a suspicion that the quotes the author puts in the articles are his own words.

So it adds to the points mentioned in the article. Iran is already facing overt acts of war(the sanctions).