Iran's help to Iraq in its fight against Daesh terrorists

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Of all the blinded, twisted and frenkenstein minds created out of all that is wrong with the World people like you moon make the Peak of the human scum in the history of mankind.
This reverse psychology of yours may have worked a few dacades ago, but all one has to do is to Google you SAUDI TO WITNESS IN WORDS, SOUNDS AND LIVING PICTURES THE EXTEND OF THE HORROR, THAT IS YOU!
You are a wolf, just TRYING a sheeps skin for size! You sound like an American broken record from the halls of AIPAC, RAND AND A WHITEHOUSE SPOKESPERSON IN ONE! YOU REALLY REALLY CARE, JUST LIKE THEY DO!
For a people responsible for the destruction of the entire muslim World hand in hand with the American, the British and the ISRAHELLIS, your Little seranade about the poor Iraq being torn apart by Iran WOULD BE QUITE COMICAL, IF IT WASN'T SO TRAGIC!

Is your brain so rotten, your eyes so blind, your ears so deth and your Heart so blackened, that you actually decry the failure of your crimes in the muslim World! We are all suffering and bleeding because of the hores that rule you, the devilworshipping blind preachers, that teach you and the petrodollar, that pays for it all. Have no doubt about it every bullet, that kills a palestinian child, every innocent syrian woman raped by you bastard sons of Abu Sofyan, every pakistani girl blinded, every egyptian tortured, every innocent iraqi bystander torn to pieces by your suicide bombers, every tear and heartbreak all over the muslim World comes back to you animals dressed in human skin and the horehouse of saud!
So far your rulers have spent to the toon of two billion dollars a year just to buy the silence of the corrupt western media. But like all their hores before you, there will come a day, when you are of no use to them and when it happens, there will not even be a straw thick enough, you can hide behind.
You are a bloated corps of a people, ready to explode from within with all the filth within your rotten body and soul ready to see the light of day. You are already a despised people all over the World, imagine what even the western media will do to you, when the time comes and you are no longer of any use. They dont even need to lie and fabricate crimes like they did in Iraq to send you back to the stone ages! But with any luck, your people may ask us for help to avoid the obvious of them replace one horehouse with an other! WHO knows, maybe you even can grow a brain and a backbone, while you are at it, and ask us for arms to defend yourselves from the coming democracy with White phosphorous and tomahawks. Your masters for whom you have even destroyed the graves of the household of Rasulallah and almost every other trace of Islam are going to bring you freedom to death too! They are going to love it even more, bombing you to hell and then some. It will be a firework like no other and will make Iraq of 2003 look like a walk in a park on a sunny day!
So your torturing, plundering, raping, murdering hearteating bastard sons of Abu Sofyan armed by your masters the British and the french, trained by your other masters the Americans and israhellis are being defeated and it makes you sad! Yahh poor Little iraqi devided by a COMMON GOAL OF DEFEATING YOUR DESPICABLE MONSTEROUS CREATION!
WHAT AN UNJUST CRIME IT IS! What a horrible thing! they should allow your mercineries invade the country, destroy everything, that is left from your other payed invasion and destruction by Americans, let them selves be ethnicly cleansed, tortured and massmurdered, SO THAT THE HOREHOUSE OF SAUD CAN STAY IN POWER FOR A FEW MOMENTS MORE, NOT FOR THE SAKE OF ISLAM OR THE MUSLIM WORLED BUT THE TO SAVE THE ZIONIST AGENDA OF THE HOREHOUSE OF SAUD! AND ISRAHELL!
Excuse ME a moment while I puke!

 

[Full Moon]

@f1000n
@Malik Alashter
@Alshawi1234

Now comes the question of ISIS...

Let's first acknowledged that many of ISIS prominent leaders are Sunni Iraqis (including the Baghdadi himself). Aren't we suppose to also wonder, why these ISIS leaders were Sunni Iraqis? The IRGC (the de facto ruling body of Iran), had a strategy that controlling Iraq will never be possible without a Sunni/Shia civil war. The IRGC does know, dam well, that a strong and prosper Iraq may jeopardize Iran's national security at any point in the future (as it painfully did).

The chance for breaking a sectarian war, and a sectarian cleansing was incredibly rare for the IRGC. They implemented a plan using the various militia they created to actively conduct massacres in the Sunni areas of Iraq, and marginalize their role in politics and public life. These sectarian massacres eventually made the Islamists and Bathists ironically merge into one monstrous forces which later became "ISIS". Added to that is the Syrian civil war, that provided ISIS with what it needs, i.e. a cause for sacrifice, weapons, and super enthusiastic fighters.

Does crushing ISIS needs an active, and declared involvement of the IRGC? Can't Iraq with its tremendous oil revenues buy (at any possible price) all the foreign military expertise, equipment, state of the art weaponry? The whole world is against ISIS, why can't Iraq seek the U.S support, Russia, China, France, the UK and many of the other REAL superpowers? The bankrupt, sanctioned, and severally backward Iran is the proper replacement? Why not? Won't they be then, the saviors, the rescuers, and the super duper brothers?

 

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Lets not!
For Gods sake you are what you are, don't try to act all intellectual and sugarcoat your garbage with a few oneliner statements from CNN, fox and al-zioneda dressed as "questions"! These are not going to help your ego or your country to survive. It take anybody 5 seconds to see through you, or rather that shadow, which is you. Read a book, learn something, you are as ignorant as it gets. Don't waist your life pretending to be something you are not!

 

[Malik Alashter]

@f1000n
@Malik Alashter
@Alshawi1234

The story goes beyond ISIS, far beyond. How many different Shia militia groups were created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard since 2003? Al Mahdi Army, Hezbollah Iraq, Badr Organization, Asa'ib Ahl Al Haq....etc. Every leader of these militias was handed over enough cash, weapons, and a turban. Names like Hady Al Amiri, Ammar Al Hakeem, Muqtada Al Sadir, Wathiq Al Battat...are/were all recognized militia leaders (war lords) who have thousands of supporters to feed and throw cash on. They would do interviews, press releases, and have well-equipped offices. This all besides a government that is supposed to have armed forces, and security forces. A magical force (we are supposed to believe) created them, and surprisingly didn't let any one of them prevails over the other.

More surprisingly, a "sovereign" government had willingly accepted to live besides these militias. What is the source of all the funding and political support? One answer: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and its master mind Qassem Sulimani. Why the generosity all the sudden? Why don't Persians go and spend 1/10th of that on Iranian Balcuhistan, the provinces of Hormizgan, Khuzistan, or build the slums of the Persian town of Bam after it had that devastating earthquake?

It is so obvious that they want Iraq to consist of scattered points of powers that can never make a one unified, powerful central government.

You either don't know what's going on or you just trying to sell al saud propaganda. But I'll let @Alshawi answer you he may know better than me.

But here is a question from were alqaeda and daesh get their fund if not it is Saudis and Qataris and even Kuwaitis and emirates.

do you know how many qaeda branch in iraq?.

if there is a regime that supporting these killers it is for sure the GCC's no doubt. Shea defend them selves and that's just their right but who daesh that you support desperately what they want to do?.

 

[Arminkh]

My HDD crashed so lost my auto log in pass anyway let me explain.

As usual the only thing you and your friends complain about is Iran. Return to June of 2014, there were no militia's active in Iraq, it was just the Iraqi army. Yet the entire region including Saudi gov media ( Al Arabiyah ) called it the Maliki army, they were spreading pro ISIS propaganda indirectly. With all the fifth columnists in the Iraqi parliament pulling the strings of the army limiting their operational freedom helping ISIS it escalated. First stance of Saudi Arabia was to tell the world/US not to interfere in Iraq, basically saying : 'Let ISIS ruin the country'.

US would only intervene if Baghdad or Arbil were in danger, when Arbil was in danger the US acted to save them. Since then they're more involved in Iraq but their air support is nowhere near their true military capability, they're not even helping the paramilitary forces. ~10 sorties a day on average, in the 1991 war it came close to 600 sorties a day. In this situation, having no true ally why should they reject support from Iran. They're taking support from anyone that helps them, those are the words of the minister of defence who is from Mosul himself ( Khaled al Obeidi ). I'm not worried about Iranian interference in Iraq, the sole interest of Iraqis at this moment is to defeat IS and deal with further internal trash, Iran and Iraq both share that same interests. Aside from that Iran has it's own interest of hegemony in Iraq and elsewhere which is what you're worried about though what do you expect to hear from us ? The US has it's interests in Iraq as well, they will counter Iran creating a balance. Besides aren't even Iranian soldiers fighting in Iraq. There are more American troops stationed in Iraqi bases ( thousands ) whereas there are only dozens of Iranian advisors.

The pro Iran groups as Kataib Hezbollah and others they aren't hostile to the Iraqi army or as Al Arabiyah prefers 'Maliki army'. Almost all of them are regular people answering the call of terror. That includes people from all backgrounds including Christians, one of the better people in the country, they don't choose terror despite having as many problems as others, too bad though we have many true Muslims who bomb things when they don't like their life's. Nothing for us to worry about but IS and the internal trash caused by the constitution. The problem with you and the other Saudis on this forum is that you dream Iran all day, you'll support ISIS gladly to counter Iran and i've seen the atheist Saudi on this forum do that as well. Don't blame us Iraqis for accepting help from anyone that gives help, if you were to give help we'd accept it as well, as you said your own leaders are making the wrong choices. If they want to counter Iranian influence in Iraq they should meet with the Iraqi gov and pledge support, that would give a positive image to Iraqis as well but no they don't they prefer supporting ISIS indirectly by stirring up problems. That's how low many of you went because of the Iran fear, not only on governmental level but you the people as well, if you look at the posts of other Arabs on this forum and elsewhere you'll see a lot of ISIS apologists ( as long as they're in Iraq ). Now many of you are also cheering for Al Qaeda in the Peninsula ( Yemen ), what does this make you other than trash ?
As history recalls, if someone attempts to blow you up it you will take help from anyone to save yourself as you took help from everyone in 1990 to save yourself from Saddam going full retard. So Iraq is taking help what's the problem here.

Let me summarize that as it's very simple.

Iran will have less influence in Iraq when the state and national army is strong, when you all cheer for ISIS the populace will take support from anyone to save themselves, in this case and in most future cases that would be Iran. Now you know how to counter Iranian influence. Still a few days ago Faisal Turki Saud or whatever his name is stated the US should look for other ways than supporting the Iraqi army, wouldn't that push us all to Iran ? It's your rulers that have indirectly stood with ISIS against us and are now complaining that we take Iranian help whilst not offering a hand. Assess the damage done because of that stance and all your fellow friends that came to terrorize in Iraq instead of obsessing about Iran all day in and out. Countering Iranian influence in Iraq is done by American military presence, not any neighbor, neighbors would do is pour in arms to ISIS like they did in Syria if not for US deterring them currently. Not to forget a large supply of suicide bombers, that's all we have got from our Arab neighbors.

Now your brothers in Yemen just bombed 137 civilians to death and most Saudis will be rejoicing this news as the victims are Shiites, when you're that messed up don't try to teach us, we know enough.

Couldn't have said it better!

 

[yavar]

My HDD crashed so lost my auto log in pass anyway let me explain.

As usual the only thing you and your friends complain about is Iran. Return to June of 2014, there were no militia's active in Iraq, it was just the Iraqi army. Yet the entire region including Saudi gov media ( Al Arabiyah ) called it the Maliki army, they were spreading pro ISIS propaganda indirectly. With all the fifth columnists in the Iraqi parliament pulling the strings of the army limiting their operational freedom helping ISIS it escalated. First stance of Saudi Arabia was to tell the world/US not to interfere in Iraq, basically saying : 'Let ISIS ruin the country'.

US would only intervene if Baghdad or Arbil were in danger, when Arbil was in danger the US acted to save them. Since then they're more involved in Iraq but their air support is nowhere near their true military capability, they're not even helping the paramilitary forces. ~10 sorties a day on average, in the 1991 war it came close to 600 sorties a day. In this situation, having no true ally why should they reject support from Iran. They're taking support from anyone that helps them, those are the words of the minister of defence who is from Mosul himself ( Khaled al Obeidi ). I'm not worried about Iranian interference in Iraq, the sole interest of Iraqis at this moment is to defeat IS and deal with further internal trash, Iran and Iraq both share that same interests. Aside from that Iran has it's own interest of hegemony in Iraq and elsewhere which is what you're worried about though what do you expect to hear from us ? The US has it's interests in Iraq as well, they will counter Iran creating a balance. Besides aren't even Iranian soldiers fighting in Iraq. There are more American troops stationed in Iraqi bases ( thousands ) whereas there are only dozens of Iranian advisors.

The pro Iran groups as Kataib Hezbollah and others they aren't hostile to the Iraqi army or as Al Arabiyah prefers 'Maliki army'. Almost all of them are regular people answering the call of terror. That includes people from all backgrounds including Christians, one of the better people in the country, they don't choose terror despite having as many problems as others, too bad though we have many true Muslims who bomb things when they don't like their life's. Nothing for us to worry about but IS and the internal trash caused by the constitution. The problem with you and the other Saudis on this forum is that you dream Iran all day, you'll support ISIS gladly to counter Iran and i've seen the atheist Saudi on this forum do that as well. Don't blame us Iraqis for accepting help from anyone that gives help, if you were to give help we'd accept it as well, as you said your own leaders are making the wrong choices. If they want to counter Iranian influence in Iraq they should meet with the Iraqi gov and pledge support, that would give a positive image to Iraqis as well but no they don't they prefer supporting ISIS indirectly by stirring up problems. That's how low many of you went because of the Iran fear, not only on governmental level but you the people as well, if you look at the posts of other Arabs on this forum and elsewhere you'll see a lot of ISIS apologists ( as long as they're in Iraq ). Now many of you are also cheering for Al Qaeda in the Peninsula ( Yemen ), what does this make you other than trash ?
As history recalls, if someone attempts to blow you up it you will take help from anyone to save yourself as you took help from everyone in 1990 to save yourself from Saddam going full retard. So Iraq is taking help what's the problem here.

Let me summarize that as it's very simple.

Iran will have less influence in Iraq when the state and national army is strong, when you all cheer for ISIS the populace will take support from anyone to save themselves, in this case and in most future cases that would be Iran. Now you know how to counter Iranian influence. Still a few days ago Faisal Turki Saud or whatever his name is stated the US should look for other ways than supporting the Iraqi army, wouldn't that push us all to Iran ? It's your rulers that have indirectly stood with ISIS against us and are now complaining that we take Iranian help whilst not offering a hand. Assess the damage done because of that stance and all your fellow friends that came to terrorize in Iraq instead of obsessing about Iran all day in and out. Countering Iranian influence in Iraq is done by American military presence, not any neighbor, neighbors would do is pour in arms to ISIS like they did in Syria if not for US deterring them currently. Not to forget a large supply of suicide bombers, that's all we have got from our Arab neighbors.

Now your brothers in Yemen just bombed 137 civilians to death and most Saudis will be rejoicing this news as the victims are Shiites, when you're that messed up don't try to teach us, we know enough.

100% right

"Al ahwaz"

The vast majority of people in Khuzestan and Ahwaz are Lurs and bakhtiaris. These subhuman camel worshippers from sandistan are trying to talk about Iranian demography. These Photoshoped pictures were pictures posted many times before by other sandistanis.
If you want to know how people really think in Ahvaz (my birth city) then go there and see whether they will show respect to someone from sandistan.

Here is another Ahvazi, who was one of the top commander of IRGC Qods was in charge

Iran : arabic song martyr IRGC Brigadier General Hamid Taqavi

 

[death11]

first of all your photo is a fake but just for record separators use الاحواز instead of الاهواز and i should tell you iranian arabs show their real face in the battle field ! they fought like real men against your big brother saddam the man who was the leader of pan arabs ! but they fought because they were iranian , they fought for their own country do you know what is the country ? for you is something like the house of saudies!
in iran we have not racism like your country unlike your country , in my country there are deferent type of language race and blood line we have kurd, lor , turk , gilak , mazani , balooch, turkman, sistani, fars, bajgtiari , lak, arab and ets do you know why? because unlike you and your friends we never genocide of our brothers we have deferent language because no body ruin languages and yes there are some separator (just few people in every language!or tribe ) and they are alive maybe government put some of them in jail for few years but no one kill them ! we accept them as a by-product of our brotherhood !!
Ali Shamkhani
do you know who is he ? remember his name because he is the next ghasem soleimani !
and just for showing our racism !!! they were not even born in iranian
Ali Akbar Salehi
Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi( probabely iranian next leader)
Ali Larijani (chairman of the Parliament )
Mohammad-Javad Larijani (head of judical system)

 

[Serpentine]

I can't confirm that 'Special Forces' tag is genuine.

 

[f1000n]

The story goes beyond ISIS, far beyond. How many different Shia militia groups were created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard since 2003? Al Mahdi Army, Hezbollah Iraq, Badr Organization, Asa'ib Ahl Al Haq....etc. Every leader of these militias was handed over enough cash, weapons, and a turban. Names like Hady Al Amiri, Ammar Al Hakeem, Muqtada Al Sadir, Wathiq Al Battat...are/were all recognized militia leaders (war lords) who have thousands of supporters to feed and throw cash on. They would do interviews, press releases, and have well-equipped offices. This all besides a government that is supposed to have armed forces, and security forces. A magical force (we are supposed to believe) created them, and surprisingly didn't let any one of them prevails over the other.

You didn't read my initial post where I said that, Iran has it's own interest of hegemony over Iraq and elsewhere. Why repeat what I already know ?

More surprisingly, a "sovereign" government had willingly accepted to live besides these militias. What is the source of all the funding and political support? One answer: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and its master mind Qassem Sulimani. Why the generosity all the sudden? Why don't Persians go and spend 1/10th of that on Iranian Balcuhistan, the provinces of Hormizgan, Khuzistan, or build the slums of the Persian town of Bam after it had that devastating earthquake?

Iraqi government used the 'Maliki army' as you call it to fight the Sadr militia several times in several major cities.
Search for 'Spring offensive 2008'.

had willingly accepted to fight these militias*

It is so obvious that they want Iraq to consist of scattered points of powers that can never make a one unified, powerful central government.

And your response to that is to support ISIS. Pre June 2014 those militia's were inactive, the ones active were very small and had no influence but Saudi gov media was indirectly spreading ISIS propaganda. Iran is seeking to have influence by creating many independent groups whereas you choose to support IS to counter that, who would Iraqis side with ? The better option, the one that doesn't blow them up for no reason which is Iran.

You're telling me things I already know. Since I know why do you keep repeating it ? I'm talking about now, defeating the retarded terrorists, we will all gladly work with Iran to defeat them. What are you going to do though besides cheering for terrorists.

Now comes the question of ISIS...

Let's first acknowledged that many of ISIS prominent leaders are Sunni Iraqis (including the Baghdadi himself). Aren't we suppose to also wonder, why these ISIS leaders were Sunni Iraqis? The IRGC (the de facto ruling body of Iran), had a strategy that controlling Iraq will never be possible without a Sunni/Shia civil war. The IRGC does know, dam well, that a strong and prosper Iraq may jeopardize Iran's national security at any point in the future (as it painfully did).

The chance for breaking a sectarian war, and a sectarian cleansing was incredibly rare for the IRGC. They implemented a plan using the various militia they created to actively conduct massacres in the Sunni areas of Iraq, and marginalize their role in politics and public life. These sectarian massacres eventually made the Islamists and Bathists ironically merge into one monstrous forces which later became "ISIS". Added to that is the Syrian civil war, that provided ISIS with what it needs, i.e. a cause for sacrifice, weapons, and super enthusiastic fighters.

ISIS is a cancer of an ideology that exists in all Sunni communities, Iraq was struck by it this time and was given the room due to the chaos in Iraq and the political system based on inclusiveness that allows terrorists in parliament. As they struck Algeria in the 90's and currently Libya, Syria, Pakistan etc. No Shiite to be found in some of those places thus no one should blame ISIS on Shiite 'oppression'. Shiites didn't massacre civillians either during the 1991 southern uprising when Saddam was oppressing and massacring them to throw them in mass gaves.

Militia's aren't massacring anyone btw, where are the mass graves ?

If they did they'd have no way to avoid it going on global news but all you'll find is minor incidents and anti Iraq propaganda. Yes Baathists sided with IS only to find out that they made the worst choice of their existence, they've been massacred ever since the absence of the IA, now Naqshabandi are complaining from Jordan, they're irrelevant.

Does crushing ISIS needs an active, and declared involvement of the IRGC? Can't Iraq with its tremendous oil revenues buy (at any possible price) all the foreign military expertise, equipment, state of the art weaponry? The whole world is against ISIS, why can't Iraq seek the U.S support, Russia, China, France, the UK and many of the other REAL superpowers? The bankrupt, sanctioned, and severally backward Iran is the proper replacement? Why not? Won't they be then, the saviors, the rescuers, and the super duper brothers?

Only involvement of the IRGC are some advisors.

US objective is not to save us but to save their interests. Iraq is not their allie they're in no hurry. Say Iraq offers the US permanent presence in Iraqi airbases they would send ground troops and make use of their airpower to finish ISIS in 2 weeks. That's actually what they seek, permanent presence, they've wanted this for over a decade and have built world's largest embassy in Baghdad as well. Just as you offered them permanent presence in 1991 they came to clean things up, till today they have permanent presence in the Gulf. If Iraq offers permanent presence they will come as well.

I'm telling you, quit having nightmares about Iran. Go worry about the cancer on the inside of your borders, this is what plays inside the heads of your people. Including you when it comes to Iraq.

With all the Saudis that join ISIS and terrorist supporters active in Saudi ask yourself what is wrong with your society, I want to talk about that, leave your Iran obsession.

 

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Even when they paint their tags and badges on the ground, our brave soldiers of THE ONE, do a greate job!!!
@f1000,
Our people are nothing but footsoldiers in what has been started! Don't be a monkey vomitting Words you hear the pro israhelli's being it in the usa or the horehouse of saud spew around! We helped ANC overcome the apartheid regime of the setler Europeans. We helped Sri Lanka end their civil war!
We don't use our resources to keep other nations Down like the horehouse of saud or the qatari or kuwaiti, whom spend their wealth to buy off and keep Down people all around the muslim World out of fear, that even if an egyptian or yemei or suddani take a pis in the wrong direction, its ripple effect may result it the Downfall of their own regimes.
We not only want but need strong and independent muslim nations, but unfortunately the mental colonization and propaganda and fearmongering of the West and your rulers has zombified you to actually think, that you are better off selling your country and your soul to the devil, that colonization is better than independence, that humiliation is better than dignity, that dictatorship is better than self determination! They have even brainwashed you too think, that YOU NEED STRONG MEN TO KEEP YOU IN LINE. I could translate the last one in so many ways, but I rather be kind to you!
I read your post and I see a person being entangled in the western propaganda, while thinking you are not! Believe me when I tell you, that your situation is worse than that of the hearteating takfiri in Syria!

 

[Daneshmand]

I'm telling you, quit having nightmares about Iran.

That is right. Their nightmares started with Iranian revolution. But those nightmares are old and Saudis have become used to it. Their real nightmare today is about Iraq. For these reasons:

1) Iraq is a majority Arab country. For their Iranian nightmares, they could tell their people that Iranians can be independent and powerful because they are not Arab but "Ajam". But now, an independent Iraq with a representative government, if ever allowed to become powerful and prosperous, then the people of Saudi Arabia would want to have the same. They would not want to live under a kingdom without even a constitution. That is why they will do everything to sabotage your future.

2) Historically, Iraq has always been ruled by Sunnis generally. These past rulers were all too sympathetic and even allied with Saudis desire to suppress Shia communities in Iraq. The Wahabi Saudis are too angry over the issue of Shias having political and military power in Iraq. They prefer Shias either to be slaves or slaughtered. A free, independent and prosperous Shia is something they can not accept or even expect. They hate the guts of Shias. If they had their wish, they would kill all Iraqi Shias. Isis is a general manifestation of this hate, not an exception.

3) The alliance between Iran and Iraq, has major implications for Saudi Arabia. Saudis have no inherent military or geo-strategic power. Their only power comes from their importance to United States as the largest oil exporter playing the role of a ballast on global oil prices upon dictation of US. But the combined oil reserves of Iran and Iraq surpasses those of Saudi Arabia. This brings up the possibility in future for both countries to strategically coordinate their future global oil export policies and therefore neutralizing the only importance Saudis have for the Western world. This would be the last nail in the coffin of Saudi monarchy.

4) The Saudis have alot of negative influence over the world, through their preaching of Takfirism. West has used this negative influence for their own strategic needs, whether in Afghanistan against USSR, or in Chechnya against Russia, or even now against Chinese through the Turkestan movement via Turkey, or against Iran through various channels. But this Western support for Saudi ideology has come at a great cost to the world and even to the West. This was basically a symbiotic relationship which is now becoming more and more parasitic. With the world and even the West being the victim. More and more people around the world and the West are realizing this and when a critical mass/time reaches, the Saudis will be dumped and their ideology shunned. That day is fast approaching. And this change is actually being led not by West but by Muslim countries themselves as more and more of them declaring war against Takfiri elements. Iraq is one of those leading this change.

5) As you can see, this guy with whom you are debating is not honest. He is a Takfiri consumed by his hate and duplicitous in character. After their project for "Sunnification" of Iraq has failed, and their Takfiri and Wahabi ideology has lost its traction in Iraq, even among Sunnis (who have by the lost more under Saudi supported Isis than the Shias), he has come here re-branding himself and his country as a flag bearer for "Arab nationalism". Well, we all know that Saudis throughout their history have hated Arab nationalists and have done everything they could to sabotage them, to the point of supporting US and Israeli policies against Arab nationalists. Only one single Saudi official in the entire history of Saudi Arabia had shown a small bit of support for Arab nationalism, prince Talal bin Abulaziz, and we know what Saudis did to him. These crocodile tears that he is bringing in for you in the name of Arab nationalism is only to fool you so that Saudis can subjugate Iraqis. As I said, he hates the guts of you Iraqis Shias, the guts of Sunni Kurds and the guts of all those who do not follow his Wahabi ideas.

6) At the end, it is upto Iraq and Iraqis to decide their fate. If they choose wisely, they can rise and become a powerful, free, independent, righteous and prosperous nation. Iran would be proud to be allied with Iraq then as it is now. But if you fall for the trickery, the crocodile tears and the distractions, then no body can save you. And no body will actually come to save you either. Not even US. Not even China. Not even Russia. And you know this in your heart.

7) Iraq has alot of influence over Iran. Both religious and political. Alot of Iranian officials are actually Iraqis. Religiously Iraq is a super-sacred place for Iranians. And we thank you for that. We do not want disunity, unlike this Saudi guy here, who only talks about division and hate.

Finally,

As Iraqi prime minister said in Davos, Iran was the only country that came to Iraq's help, promptly, timely and when it mattered without thinking about money, influence or anything else. Pure help. Even US was hoping Iraqi government to fall and Baghdad be plundered by Isis. Despite their superior intelligence, they never warned Iraqi government, they never used their super technology drones to protect Iraq's architectural heritage from Isis bulldozers and they never delivered (or even loaned a few old) F-16's which could have been the game changer against Isis. They wished for Shias to become irrelevant again. In fact with a quick glance at main stream media of the West, as well as the Arab media, you can see that they shamelessly admit that the Iraqi invasion of 2003 was wrong not because it was an illegal act of aggression but because the Shias who were irrelevant politically were finally given a voice in running of Iraq. This is where their pain is coming. It shows how much hate they have for you.

 

[Daneshmand]

More surprisingly, a "sovereign" government had willingly accepted to live besides these militias. What is the source of all the funding and political support? One answer: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and its master mind Qassem Sulimani. Why the generosity all the sudden? Why don't Persians go and spend 1/10th of that on Iranian Balcuhistan, the provinces of Hormizgan, Khuzistan, or build the slums of the Persian town of Bam after it had that devastating earthquake?

It is called sacrifice for a greater good. But then what would you know. You would rather spend your riches in parties at Paris, London and Swiss Alps. You would rather spend your money on worldly luxuries instead of helping Iraqis or other Arabs in need of help. If Iran had chosen to live in luxury, millions of Arabs, Turkmen and Kurds would have been slaughtered by Saudi supported Isis.

By the way Shias practice the collection of Khums on business profits. Alot of these fundings actually come from Iraqis themselves who pay their Khums to religious authorities in Iraq itself who then spend it to defend their country against your sick ideology of Takfir.

 

[Malik Alashter]

I cant give a long reply since im on mobile but the idea of secularisation and modernisation in Islamic world came
with young Turks, Jinnah and Reza were admirer of Atatürk and adopted a lot reform that he did first in Turkey.


First of all stay civil.

Secondly i was talking abour reforms, changin the alphabet isnt the only reform he did.

So polite but fake one.

 

[xenon54 out]

So polite but fake one.

Yeah whatever...

 

[Serpentine]

Now we are giving them robots