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Iran’s Door to the West Is Slamming Shut, and That Leaves China

[LOL!],Thats a good one m8!,but seriously when you make a joke you really should add a :haha:,:sarcastic:,:omghaha:,:laugh: or even just a [lol] that way some half witted pakistani poster wont actually think you`re serious and start repeating it as fact all over the forum.
Seriously tho if the pakistanis want iranian gas then all they have to do is quit stalling and hurry up and build their section of the ip pipeline....but I wont be holding my breath for that at least not as long as pakistan puts other nations interests ahead of its own.:cuckoo:
I am not saying that it is what is going to happen but what should happen. In a just and ideal world Pakistan is owed some measure of vengeance against you Iranians
To access these reserves all the west has to do is to stop threatening and weakening Pakistan. They and China should help and encourage Pakistan to drill oil wells all over southern parts of Pakistani Baluchistan and God-willing gravity will take care of Iranian reserves

If the west decides to invest and/or guarantee against sabotage and terror, Pakistanis should dig deep, deeper than on Iran side, then they can both race as to who can extract and store/sell more. Instead of blackmailing Pakistan or unleashing terror when Pakistan even thinks about it.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...s-project-in-iran.559043/page-3#post-10505975
 
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Iran’s Door to the West Is Slamming Shut, and That Leaves China

By Ladane Nasseri

2018 M05 10 06:00 GMT+2
  • Trump wants to punish Iran, Xi wants it on his new Silk Road
  • At Tehran metro, they admire EU machinery -- but buy Chinese

Tehran traffic is gridlocked half the time, and the city spends most of the year engulfed in smog, so it’s not surprising that locals travel underground when they can -- on a metro system that sometimes carries 2 million people a day.

During the sanctions decade, when Iran was largely frozen out of global commerce, the capital’s authorities managed to steadily expand the network -- roughly doubling its size. It wasn’t easy. Often, “the parts we needed, we had to build ourselves,’’ said Ali Abdollahpour, deputy managing director of Tehran Urban and Suburban Railway Operating Company.

A constant of those years was Chinese help, with everything from building rails to manufacturing wagons. The nuclear deal of 2015, and the lifting of major sanctions the year after, was supposed to broaden Iran’s options. Abdollahpour had his eyes on Europe (“their tech is better’’) for essential braking and signaling systems.

But when a major contract, to supply more than 600 wagons, came up for tender it went to a unit of China’s CRRC Corp, which beat off two European bids to win a contract worth more than $900 million this year. That’s part of a wider pattern. The nuclear deal hasn’t delivered more than a trickle of Western investment -- and even that is poised to dry up, after U.S. President Donald Trump pulled out of the agreement and said he’ll re-impose sanctions


Already Won

To develop its $430 billion economy, Iran is being forced to rely on political allies in the east.

Trade with China has more than doubled since 2006, to $28 billion. The biggest chunk of Iran’s oil exports go to China, about $11 billion a year at current prices.

Turning East


Chinese direct investment is arriving too, though reliable data is harder to come by.

China is “already the winner,’’ said Dina Esfandiary, a fellow at the Centre for Science and Security Studies at King’s College in London, and co-author of the forthcoming ‘Triple Axis: Iran’s Relations With Russia and China’.

“Iran has slowly abandoned the idea of being open to the West,’’ she said. “The Chinese have been in Iran for the past 30 years. They have the contacts, the guys on the ground, the links to the local banks.’’

And they’re more willing to defy U.S. pressure as Trump slaps sanctions back on.

‘Going After Them’

Even that possibility has kept many European banks and manufacturers from doing business with Iran. And some of those that were ready to do so could reconsider in the light of tougher American rules.

Airbus Group SE’s contract for 100 jetliners, worth about $19 billion at list prices, was already held up amid financing problems, and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said Tuesday that the export license will be revoked (Russian manufacturerscould be the beneficiaries). Total SA has a contract to develop the South Pars gas field together with China National Petroleum Corp., but has signaled that it would pull out if the U.S. re-imposes sanctions and it can’t win an exemption. In that event, Iran says, the Chinese partner would take over Total’s share.

Chinese companies aren’t beyond the reach of American regulators. Huawei Technologies Co. is said to be under investigation for possible violations over sales to Iran, and network-equipment maker ZTE Corp. was banned from buying American components for a similar offense.

Compared with the pre-sanctions era, “Chinese companies have become much more multinational and global, they have more of a brand reputation that’s important to them,’’ said Esfandyar Batmanghelidj, founder of the Europe-Iran Forum, an annual gathering for executives. That gives the U.S. leverage “to discourage them from engaging in Iranian markets, by going after them.’’

‘Seek to Dance’

But the Chinese have some workarounds that Europeans lack. There are many more Chinese companies with zero exposure to the U.S. And, since many of the Chinese businesses working in Iran are state-run, it’s relatively easy to set up special-purpose vehicles for bypassing U.S. regulations. “All they have to do is create a subsidiary that’s separate from the original entity, and they’re good to go,” said Esfandiary.

Chinese businesses are also likely to be more flexible about how they’re paid, says Batmanghelidj, citing a transaction he’s aware of where the European company declined to be paid in bonds.

The politics are different, too.

The key EU countries are longtime U.S. allies wary of a direct clash with Washington. They’re promising to keep the nuclear deal alive, but many Iranians doubt they are able or willing to do so.

Europe “doesn’t have the power to take important decisions,” said Alaeddin Boroujerdi, head of the Iranian parliament’s nation security and foreign policy committee. “The Europeans, by sanctioning Iran, seek to dance in front of the Americans.”

‘One Day You’re Friends’

But China -- along with Russia -- is America’s main strategic rival, with big geopolitical ambitions. Central to them is a plan to crisscross Eurasia with a web of transportation and infrastructure links. Persia was on the old Silk Road, and Iran is at the heart of President Xi Jinping’s plans for a new one.

Chinese companies are building or funding railway lines to the eastern city of Mashhad and the Gulf port of Bushehr, under deals signed in the past year worth more than $2.2 billion. India was supposed to be developing the strategic port of Chabahar on the Arabian Sea., but repeated delays have prompted Iranian officials to turn to China in the hope of speeding up construction.

China looks at relations with Iran “from a strategic perspective,” Foreign Minister Wang Yi said last year as he met Iranian officials in Beijing.

At the Tehran metro, it won’t be the first time that global politics have intruded on planning.

When building work began in the pro-Western Iran of the 1970s, it was under French managers. Within a year of the Islamic Revolution of 1979, they were gone.

That’s business, says Abdollahpour, the metro manager. “In the world of commerce, one day you’re friends with someone, one day you aren’t.”

— With assistance by Keith Zhai

https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek
@Aditya Sahai now read this....and this thread itself is shared by a irani member.....this is how world is seeing it. That rhetoric is only printed in yr media only.
 
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It is absolutely amazing that the US has managed to control the financial system of the world through a "Fake" , interest based, jewish-controlled financial system where it prints money out of thin air, and floods the market with its currency at very low interest rates. It then destroys economies of the targeted countries and takes control of their vital natural resources.

Suckers calling themselves leaders are taken for a ride, and end up in debt, and whole countries and their people become hostages to this vicious interest based system. The very fact that countries like China do not want to challenge this vicious system but want to be part of it clearly indicates that this financial system of control has taken over China as well. Countries like Iran just do not stand a chance.
 
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I am not saying that it is what is going to happen but what should happen. In a just and ideal world Pakistan is owed some measure of vengeance against you Iranians


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/brea...s-project-in-iran.559043/page-3#post-10505975
Who on earth is telling you these idiotic fairy stories?,you really must be one gullible fellow.All you need to do is look at a map of irans oil and gas deposits to see that this story is utter,complete bullsh!t.For a start irans oil and gas fields are nowhere even remotely near the pakistan border,they are in fact along the iraqi border and the upper persian gulf coast,there are none anywhere near pakistan,hell there arent even any blocks up for prospecting near pakistan,the closest would be on the afghan border near the afghan/pak border and that would be about it.In order for the sort of thing you`re talking about to happen both pak and iran would have to share an oil field that straddled the border in the same way that iran and qatar share the south pars/north dome gas field in the persian gulf.
http://energy-cg.com/OPEC/Iran/Iran_OilGas_Industry.html
 
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It is absolutely amazing that the US has managed to control the financial system of the world through a "Fake" , interest based, jewish-controlled financial system where it prints money out of thin air, and floods the market with its currency at very low interest rates. It then destroys economies of the targeted countries and takes control of their vital natural resources.

Suckers calling themselves leaders are taken for a ride, and end up in debt, and whole countries and their people become hostages to this vicious interest based system. The very fact that countries like China do not want to challenge this vicious system but want to be part of it clearly indicates that this financial system of control has taken over China as well. Countries like Iran just do not stand a chance.
China isn’t strong enough right now to bring down the whole system. China is simply biding its time. Sometimes compromises are necessary.
 
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Who on earth is telling you these idiotic fairy stories?,you really must be one gullible fellow.All you need to do is look at a map of irans oil and gas deposits to see that this story is utter,complete bullsh!t.For a start irans oil and gas fields are nowhere even remotely near the pakistan border,they are in fact along the iraqi border and the upper persian gulf coast,there are none anywhere near pakistan,hell there arent even any blocks up for prospecting near pakistan,the closest would be on the afghan border near the afghan/pak border and that would be about it.In order for the sort of thing you`re talking about to happen both pak and iran would have to share an oil field that straddled the border in the same way that iran and qatar share the south pars/north dome gas field in the persian gulf.
http://energy-cg.com/OPEC/Iran/Iran_OilGas_Industry.html
Pakistan & Gulf Economist magazine and Iranian backed terrorism in Pakistan and Baluchistan. Each and every-time Pakistan makes any little progress in Baluchistan, buildings and people start exploding
 
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To access these reserves all the west has to do is to stop threatening and weakening Pakistan. They and China should help and encourage Pakistan to drill oil wells all over southern parts of Pakistani Baluchistan and God-willing gravity will take care of Iranian reserves

If the west decides to invest and/or guarantee against sabotage and terror, Pakistanis should dig deep, deeper than on Iran side, then they can both race as to who can extract and store/sell more. Instead of blackmailing Pakistan or unleashing terror when Pakistan even thinks about it.

Insane propaganda.

Unfortunately, big numbers of my fellow countrymen believe in this false propaganda.

There is no Irnaian Oil/gas well present near Iran/Pakistan border. The nearest Iranian oil well is more than 500 km away from the Pakistan border.

And the main oil/gas wells of Iran are present near Persian Gulf, which is about 1500 km away from Pakistan.
 
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Them cabbies and refugees at the charity church musta told you this cobber?

Pakistan & Gulf Economist magazine and Iranian backed terrorism in Pakistan and Baluchistan. Each and every-time Pakistan makes any little progress in Baluchistan, buildings and people start exploding
 
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Insane propaganda.

Unfortunately, big numbers of my fellow countrymen believe in this false propaganda.

There is no Irnaian Oil/gas well present near Iran/Pakistan border. The nearest Iranian oil well is more than 500 km away from the Pakistan border.

And the main oil/gas wells of Iran are present near Persian Gulf, which is about 1500 km away from Pakistan.
I heard it during Jhang sectarian war during Gen. Zia times.
 
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uh oh.......you appear to be a cabbie:

OPEC_Iran_BaseMap_Jun15_Image1x1_EnergyConsutlingGroup_web.png


came across this thread accidental like @ https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/6-trillion-barrels-oil-in-baluchistan.10270/

searched for these posted below:
https://thediplomat.com/2011/05/inside-irans-most-secretive-region/

uh oh this article in Dawn makes it look as if US wants whole of Baluchistan, not just the Iranian part
https://www.dawn.com/news/708908

more uh oh Iran vs. Pakistan @ https://www.huffingtonpost.com/saad-khan/iran-balochistan-and-paki_b_326826.html
 
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China didn’t provide any guarantees to Iran as well when that stooge Zarif went to visit.

Iran is alone right now. Reality is China, Russia, or EU will bow to US.

Also if only one country (China) or two countries (China and russia) are willing to help Iran that makes them hold leverage in negotiating any deals with Iran. So they will receivable very favorable terms because they know Iran is desperate with no where else to go.
 
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Pakistan & Gulf Economist magazine and Iranian backed terrorism in Pakistan and Baluchistan. Each and every-time Pakistan makes any little progress in Baluchistan, buildings and people start exploding
Do you honestly think that iran wields that sort of power over pakistan!?,honestly!?.Well if it did things would be very,very different indeed in pakistan.Do you really believe that if there were the sort of gas and oil riches for the taking in baluchistan,riches that could not only potentially provide pakistan with all the energy it would need but an economic bananza from selling any excess that would likely fix a lot of paks dire economic problems as well that pak wouldnt literally move heaven and earth to achieve this,do you not think that china at least would provide all the help it could as they would likely be profiting enormously both economically and energy wise from this.I know paks leadership is weak and incompetent but that goes well beyond weak and incompetent,that would be nothing less than treasonous not to mention stupid especially when one considers that they would have the opportunity to greatly enrich themselves out of any huge discoveries.
I know its tempting in pakistans case to look for external reasons for all of paks many,many problems,and in some cases there are some,but iran isnt one of them,as far as I can see iran doesnt profit at all from a wild lawless border region full of terrorists and smugglers,in fact iranians have often been the victims of these groups and iran has called on pak many times to try to improve security in this area with both nations governments pledging to improve cooperation to do just that.Iran wants good relations with pak,hell iran was even willing to continue with the ipi pipeline after india pulled out even when there was no good economic reason to do so,now one would have thought that pakistan would`ve jumped at the chance,but sadly no pakistan never built its section,never even got started,it came up with excuse after excuse after excuse as to why it couldnt,the real reason of course was that it had to put the interests of its vassal overlords ahead of its own tho I suspect there was also the cynical hope that perhaps iran might get desperate enough to build the whole thing for free,but that didnt happen of course.
In my opinion pakistans biggest external problems are its vassal/client state relationship with the us/west and the saudi/gulfies,only if and when it can free itself from this will it have any chance of standing on its own two feet as an independent sovereign nation and putting its own interests first instead of others and maybe then it can have a go at cleaning up the enormous corruption that seems to permeate all levels of the government.
Blaming iran might be a convenient scapegoat but it does absolutely nothing whatsoever to solve any and all of paks many real problems both external and internal.
 
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China didn’t provide any guarantees to Iran as well when that stooge Zarif went to visit.

Iran is alone right now. Reality is China, Russia, or EU will bow to US.

Also if only one country (China) or two countries (China and russia) are willing to help Iran that makes them hold leverage in negotiating any deals with Iran. So they will receivable very favorable terms because they know Iran is desperate with no where else to go.

It's simple either they build an arsenal of nukes or they get sanctioned/isolated and ultimately that would lead to collapse of the regime.
 
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