Iran's Ballistic Missile test :Implications

[The SiLent crY]

Note:
please note following are my personal notes and opinions and without any favour or malice to any party that loves or hates Iran.


U.S., allies demand UN action after Iran missile test| Reuters

So Saudis and Israelis will secretly (or not so Secretly) celebrating with the air of "told you so" to the Americans. the Iran did exactly which it shouldnt have done (to my understanding) when the world specially west is finding excuses to bring Iran back to the business world and open up trade with it.

The nuclear deal will be pointless as long as the west keeps its hostile attitude towards Iran and Iranians .

I believed that the US would use other excuses to sanction Iran after nuclear deal with stupid things such as human rights , democracy , missiles etc and thanks to God that they proved their enmity once more but before the deal is executed .

I think this new missile test ( if it ever happened in first place ) was an smart move by Iran to understand West's reaction and behavior towards Iran after the deal .

Dear Irfan , You're naive .

Nuclear program has been used as an excuse to put pressure on Iran for a decade and the main problem is neither nuclear energy nor missile etc but Islamic Republic and its politics .

Americans are not after peace and friendship with Iran and that will never happen as long as they install another puppet in Iran so that they can loot our wealth the same way they have been doing in Persian Gulf States . Hopefully if the US betrays the deal and sanctions Iran with any excuses such as missile , terrorism , human rights etc , they will weaken current government and its supporters inside the country , paving the way for another Ahmadinejad to take power .

This will also shut the mouths of those people who had cried for decades to establish relations with the West .

I pray to God that this deal shatters if we're going to be sanctioned again , In that case we Iranians might face worse days and suffer for another decade which will be destructive but will help us to have more power and better position in next deals taking place several years later .

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well, no sanctions have been lifted either, so it doesn't make any difference, since we didn't implement 1929 resolution even for 1 day. After the deal is implemented, the resolution will be non-binding.

do you think world is fair? might is right. the weaker party has to make do with what is given to it and bides for time until it has a position of strength,
now do I think, Iran wont be able to sustain the pressure, sanctions or even an invasion? NO not at all. the Iranian nation has the history of resilience and perseverance .. but why push it self now and put itself in a predicament NOW?

 

[Cyberian]

As the Iranians have already accepted that it can only build its civilian nuclear program under the supervision of international babysitters, this clearly implies Iran cannot stand up for its rights as an independent sovereign nation.

Now, Iranians will be forced to surrender other parts of their sovereignty if they don't want to be treated as a caged animal.

The International Babysitters now know what are Iran's weak points (i.e. economic sanctions are enough).

In my humble opinion, just develop the nukes and test it. What's the worst can happen? Look at Pakistan, India and North Korea. Which nuclear armed nation has been disarmed through military means? But if Iran has agreed to surrendered its nuclear rights, then look at what became of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

the test into a SLV test article or a sounding rocket instead of calling it a BM.

What is done is done, it would he helpful for Iran to either promote other stories so the world looks elsewhere for other alarms, and develop back channel with US, Germany, France and UK, to reassure Israel that strategic equation will remain cool.

I am not sure if you had seen the Maz Jobrani's stand up, Irans diplomacy needs to promote , "Persian Meooow".

this is damage control . prevention could have been better
I respect what you and Iranian members are saying. Iran might have used a loophole or has a way to argue but it stands benefiting the most out of the deal whenever it takes effect because alternatively it is even facing an invasion.
suddenly Iranian test has superseded the Daesh news .. just shows you how precarious Iranian situation is. but once it makes itself a valued business partner of both west and east then there will be enough cushion between itself and the those warmongers who want to reduce Tehran and Qum into rubble

by the way Modi went everywhere but not Iran yet. maybe its not the good time but Indian support will be most welcome for Iran.wish our leadership had a spine to stage a combined(Indo-Pak) effort in favour of Iran.
just my 2 cents.

 

[Serpentine]

As the Iranians have already accepted that it can only build its civilian nuclear program under the supervision of international babysitters, this clearly implies Iran cannot stand up for its rights as an independent sovereign nation.

Now, Iranians will be forced to surrender other parts of their sovereignty if they don't want to be treated as a caged animal.

The International Babysitters now know what are Iran's weak points (i.e. economic sanctions are enough).

In my humble opinion, just develop the nukes and test it. What's the worst can happen? Look at Pakistan, India and North Korea. Which nuclear armed nation has been disarmed through military means? But if Iran has agreed to surrendered its nuclear rights, then look at what became of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

Pakistan is a western ally, so they are cool with Pakistani nukes. North Korea isn't, and look at their situation. Only because they don't put sanctions on you now doesn't mean you are super strong. They can literally starve Pakistan if they put sanctions against you like those on North Korea all while having nuclear weapons. What can you do about that in this situation? NK also has nukes, but they barely afford to feed their own people. What's the point?

I wonder where all these shallow 'analysis' come from. No one is being forced to do anything or surrender anything. The nuclear agreement is only about nuclear matters and we will have our peaceful nuclear program as we wanted. We won't surrender a single screw from military equipment. Just as you saw, Iran ordered to expand missile program in face of U.S threatening of more sanctions. If it means the deal will be collapsed, so be it. But in that case, things will be much different.

Let me assure you, there won't be any Libya or Iraq scenario. Our missile and military program is going on in full speed.

do you think world is fair? might is right. the weaker party has to make do with what is given to it and bides for time until it has a position of strength,
now do I think, Iran wont be able to sustain the pressure, sanctions or even an invasion? NO not at all. the Iranian nation has the history of resilience and perseverance .. but why push it self now and put itself in a predicament NOW?

There is no pushing bro. If we go one step back from our defensive capabilities, they will come 10 steps closer and demand more for exactly the same reason you said: The world is not fair and is being ruled by laws of jungle. In this world, a country like Israel is given nukes by very same western countries that have been barking about non-existent Iranian nuclear weapons. Because of that reason, we shouldn't go a single step back when it comes to military matters and defensive capabilities.

 

[MilSpec]

Wish our leadership had a spine to stage a combined(Indo-Pak) effort in favour of Iran.
just my 2 cents.

40 years of hostile baggage wont allow that. Irfan saab, in our lifetime that will never happen, All because the generations that were in power during the inception of the both the nations were horridly short sighted, and we and most likely a few more generations after us will reap that poison.

Within India and Pakistan, none of us still have the foresight to position us to compete for the future. Same mindset rules the Iran and the middle east.

the reality is khud ki phatti padi hai, doosro ki kya madad karenge.

 

[Hussein]

Apparently, Iran is still suffering under the multi headed governance. Different factions like clergy and army, hawks and doves have been undermining each other's operations for quite some time, even at the expense of damaging Iran.

If this was really happened without the blessing of the Iranian government as you are suggesting, then it means there are some serious issues and differences between the Iranian elite that requires some serious attention before Iran can possibly move forward with the deal.

what is funny when someone who didn't know anything about Iran is speaking about Iran

i get it is convenient for your anti Iranian fanatism . have fun with your ignorance.

in fact this is much more complicated :
-> Iran promised a nuclear deal and they respect it. why should it be about weapons/army?
Iran should have no army in the next decision??? seriously
-> USA did a very bad action nowadays with their visa stuff making a hell to Iranian people
and tourism will suffer hard for their stupid new law
USA say they want to stop the sanctions but they add new ones:
---> first one is about making painful the trip to Iran to any European for exemple
---> they go on with stupid legal issues to make pay Iran for the actions of Hezbollah decades ago
you know when USA shoot a place of Iranian people they give very very few of penalties
but when Hezbollah (not Iran) killing Americans they ask Iran to pay 1000 times more per person
they did that in the past and still go on with this attitude

about Iran , there is a supreme leader leading the pasdarans ... not the government
if you knew this minimum of knowledge thx

 

[Irfan Baloch]

what is funny when someone who didn't know anything about Iran is speaking about Iran

i get it is convenient for your anti Iranian fanatism . have fun with your ignorance.

in fact this is much more complicated :
-> Iran promised a nuclear deal and they respect it. why should it be about weapons/army?
Iran should have no army in the next decision??? seriously
-> USA did a very bad action nowadays with their visa stuff making a hell to Iranian people
and tourism will suffer hard for their stupid new law
USA say they want to stop the sanctions but they add new ones:
---> first one is about making painful the trip to Iran to any European for exemple
---> they go on with stupid legal issues to make pay Iran for the actions of Hezbollah decades ago
you know when USA shoot a place of Iranian people they give very very few of penalties
but when Hezbollah (not Iran) killing Americans they ask Iran to pay 1000 times more per person
they did that in the past and still go on with this attitude

about Iran , there is a supreme leader leading the pasdarans ... not the government
if you knew this minimum of knowledge thx

please

its an open forum and differing opinions are invited otherwise there wont be any debate.
not everyone is expert and point person in everything . you give your counter narrative without mocking us who dont know much.
your dotted aruments actually strengthen my view that might is right and why play in the hands of the Hawks by provoking them? there are those like John Kerry and in Europe like Merkil who actually want better ties with Iran. but in order to achieve that lets avoid all such steps that give fuel to the haters. there are many ways to show sovereignty and independence not just missile tests near American vessels or elsewhere. a more pragmatic and stable attitude will earn Iran more friends who will have better chance to argue in favor of Iran.

I dont have to be an expert on iran to make this comment by the way. this is general international relations. good luck with everything. we specially the Pakistanis are really keen on a better , open and prosperous Iran to help us resolve terrorism issue and also the energy issue.

hope for a peaceful and lasting solution and lifting of sanctions and cordial Iran western relations

 

[Hussein]

please

its an open forum and differing opinions are invited otherwise there wont be any debate.
not everyone is expert and point person in everything . you give your counter narrative without mocking us who dont know much.

1/ i didn't blame you at all but someone else who spends his time to say bad about Iranians in the forum
2/ of course it is good everyone gives his opinion but when speaking about a country someone doesn't know he doesn't need to speak like he knows when he doesn't know the basics

my friend, i never never spoke about Pakistan because i always believe i don't know enough your country
and i am just reading many people in the forum, most i appreciate by the way
it would be a shame that i speak like an expert
i am tired to see some people say they know about Iran but say things like they are experts.. an you clearly see they hate a country they have no knowledge about... they fantasm people of Iran like many in the world fantasm that Pakistani are all fanatics
tc and sorry to walk on nerves sometimes

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

We are not planning anything like that, but we are seeking a China-like scenario, in which we will be powerful enough in a way that they have to act based on mutual respect.

Agreed sir. There is no way that Iran should give up developing their defensive capabilities. It's a matter of sovereignty.

America gets terrified when any country that is not in the "American camp" decides to increase their defensive capabilities. But so what? Our defensive policies shouldn't be dictated by foreign interests, that is not sovereignty. Our defensive policy is dictated by our own interests.

 

[Cyberian]

Pakistan is a western ally, so they are cool with Pakistani nukes. North Korea isn't, and look at their situation. Only because they don't put sanctions on you now doesn't mean you are super strong. They can literally starve Pakistan if they put sanctions against you like those on North Korea all while having nuclear weapons. What can you do about that in this situation? NK also has nukes, but they barely afford to feed their own people. What's the point?

I wonder where all these shallow 'analysis' come from. No one is being forced to do anything or surrender anything. The nuclear agreement is only about nuclear matters and we will have our peaceful nuclear program as we wanted. We won't surrender a single screw from military equipment. Just as you saw, Iran ordered to expand missile program in face of U.S threatening of more sanctions. If it means the deal will be collapsed, so be it. But in that case, things will be much different.

Let me assure you, there won't be any Libya or Iraq scenario. Our missile and military program is going on in full speed....

Buddy, Pakistan was under US sanctions before the Khomenei guy even took power in 1979.

The US even threatened to make an example of Pakistan if it did not desist from furthering the nuke program all the way back in the mid-1970s. And, Prime Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged as a result.

Now Pakistan was smart, they didn't bark day and night at the West like Iranians have been doing.

When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1980s, the US offered Pakistan weapons and dollars in return for ceasing Pakistan's nuclear program in regards to weaponising it. What you know, Pakistan agreed and convinced the Americans enough that they didn't have to worry. Still, Pakistan did not accept or allow any sort of inspections of its nuke program.

The world is a cruel place. Pakistani nuclear program continued despite the promises made, deep inside a mountain where the scientists and the engineers sealed themselves inside it. First cold test was conducted on 11 March 1984.

By the end of the decade, Pakistan decides to tell everyone that it had nukes which resulted in sanction on Pakistan in the 1990s. Then Pakistan conducted nuke tests on 28 May 1998 and it gets more sanctions.

9/11 happens, Pakistan offers its logistical support in return for lifting of sanctions. From 2002 onwards, Pakistan's missile and nuke programs accelerate like never before. Before this, Pakistan didn't even have a proper working medium range ballistic missile believe it not.

The US launches limited drone strikes from June 2004 on Pakistan's border regions like the Soviets did couple of decades earlier but the nation accelerates the program even more. But you know Pakistan is still there with all its nukes and missiles unlike Iraq, Libya and Syria. No one even tries stop it anymore.

This is how the world works. But if Iran has chosen to take on the Western World head on, it's going to become another Iraq, Libya and Syria. Even the sanctions have forced the Iranians to the negotiating table. Why confront the West when you can't even handle the sanctions? Doesn't sound too smart my brother.

 

[500]

NOW NOW.. hold on.. I know you will be able to bear it as you did suffer even worse case situations but why invite trouble to yourself?

Nothing new. Ayatula masochist policies in action.

During Ahmadinejad rule Iran got over half trillion $$ of petrodollars. They could turn into a modern state, instead they trashed everything on Hamas, Hezbollah, nukes and monkey launches in North Korean ballistic missiles.

Overall if subtract inflation today GDP per capita in Iran is lower than in 1976! In 1976 they had GDP per capita similar to South Korea. Now more than 8 times lower. Thats what insane Ayatulas did to Iran.

 

[500]

What does this have to do with thread idiot?

Its has to to with extremist policies of Political clergy. They try very hard to trash every chance they get.

Iran suffered from 8 years war and 36 years sanctions.

Again example of religious idiocy.

Saddam was ready to stop the war already in 1981. But political clergy insisted to continue sending human waves against T-72 again and again. Americans stopped that madness when destroyed Iranian oil platforms.

As for sanctions, US sanctions were caused by idiotic attack of US embassy, and international sanctions in 2011 were result of British embassy attack, terror support and idiotic threats.

 

[Barmin]

Iran's GDP ranked 27th in 1970 and it ranked 28th in 2014:

Ranking of the World's Richest Countries by GDP (1970) - Classora Knowledge Base

Ranking of the World's Richest Countries by GDP (2014) - Classora Knowledge Base

To give an example: Pakistan's GDP as our eastern neighbor ranked 28th in 1970 and now it ranks 41th.
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Iran's PPP ranks 18th:

List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran's PPP per captia is higher than world's average (very close to our western country Turkey which was never under sanctions):

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Very very decent result for a country that has been under sanctions for 36 years.

 

[Hussein]

Its has to to with Ayatula policies. They try very hard to trash every chance they get.

a bit obsessed with "ayatula" word
oh yes Iran is indeed an ayatollah problem. very simple. very 500.

Saddam was ready to stop the war already in 1981. But Ayatulas insisted to continue sending human waves against T-72 again and again. Americans stopped that madness when destroyed Iranian oil platforms.

what a non sense

you understand what you are saying?
you think you can say as many crap you want ?
you don't look like an Israeli you look more like a salafi with ur obsession

81 Saddam wanted to stop the war .. oh yeah he invaded our country and we were too stupid to defend
a smart guy this 500
we should thank Saddam to kill people and take our lands . genius.

As for sanctions, US sanctions were caused by idiotic attack of US embassy, and international sanctions in 2011 were result of British embassy attack, terror support and idiotic threats.

sanctions exist for a long time.
still USA didn't even respect the agreements sadly
and who is happy in Iran about it? the ultras . they just enjoy Obama is acting so wrong.
with stupid US leaders and with our few retards, of course Iran won't go the right direction.
but anyway i guess USA just caring make money and since KSA is an excellent buyer they just believe Iran will buy american products in the same time USA is making everything that country keeps being down.

very sad