Iran's answer to all doubters! 22 of Bahman

[500]

Happy Birthday to the Islamic Republic of Iran


Then came an 8 years war with Iraq and the hardest sanctions on any country yet.. you think your " country "had nothing to do with that? weakening Iraq after the war and turning back on Iran up till now.. you think people are blind ?

Both sanctions (which came only in 2014 and ended in 2016) and 8 year war are result of Mullah stupid policies and nothing else. Without Khomeini coup Iran would be a developed country with about 3 times higher GDP today.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

They are stronger than Iran, per capita, in science and technologies. Without any doubt, in the case of non petro states. In case of petro states, some doubts exist.



Wrong.

Most of them are leaders in their respective sectors except the petro states.

Meanwhile Iran is nowhere close to leadership in any single sector in per capita terms or in total either. Stop your fantasies.



I remember discussing with these brainwashed people.

Completely brainwashed by propaganda. In reality, their high quality publications in science and technology do not even match the publications output of a Singapore or Switzerland, so they puff up numbers by publishing lots of troll posts and low quality publications. They have no high quality high technology company or high tech exports.

A simple example. They are unable to explore and develop their own oil and gas fields, which they are the fourth and 2nd largest owners of, I think. That is how primitive they are. Western sanctions or no sanctions, if they had the capabilities, they surely would not have waited for foreign investments in these sectors for much needed technologies.



All of them, barring petro states perhaps, are amongst the world leaders in science and technology, per capita.

By any neutral index of achievement or performance.

Iran is nowhere in sight in any neutral non-Wilayah al Faqih index, in per capita terms, or total.



Arab petro states are only doing better as much as the Western states permit them.

Arab petro states are severely lacking in scientific expertise, technological acumen, sophistical industrial and service sectors. This is not the case for the non petro states with high per capita economic numbers, or scientific or technologic numbers.

Iran is foolishly working against the West given its lower scientific and technological expertise and lower talent pool. It is just a fact not intended to insult. Iran with its population of 80 million and IQ lower than 97 has no chance of fighting or tackling Western interests in its region for the next 2000 years perhaps.

China, by the way, can do so because it has a population of 1300 million people at IQ of around 105. And China had successful role models and expert advice, transfer of technology, management expertise, planning, training and such from its brothers and sisters and cousins in Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea, Taiwan.

Does Saudi Arabia, Russia, India, Iran, Turkey or Azerbaijan have such mentors ready to lend a guiding hand?



They can not make the right decision, after all, average IQ is lower. Same is true for Arabs and Kurds and Turks and Hindus, Jews and Africans, by the way.

China is an ancient civilization by itself held back by corrupt and incompetent communist party officials who often flee abroad with their loot for a greener pasture. Otherwise, Napoleon was right: once the giant rises, the world shall tremble.

Iran or Turkey should try to be equal to Spain at maximum. I think, for them, that would be a great achievement. Or maybe South Korea as well, if they can, that would be good too.



He is just angry his country is not strong enough to bomb Iran as it wishes.

Iran should be compared to North Korea, Burma, Cuba, Venezuela. Clearly, Iran was not a star performer but not that bad performer either. Better than Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco anyday. If it had the same access to Western markets, expertise, technologies that China enjoyed for 4 decades or that Arabs Hindus and Turks enjoy, sure it could have been a much more improved country.

We see that it is trying to improve itself nowadays which is always good news. I see no reason why more Airbus sales would be bad.



It has to do with exchange rates.

I don't believe this is story. It's all because of mismanagement. Iranians in USA, Canada, Netherlands and some other countries are actually higher educated than the local (White) population.
Iran has all the potentials to be great, but it's ruled by a failed ideology and incompetent leaders.

 

[Rustam]

I don't believe this is story. It's all because of mismanagement. Iranians in USA, Canada, Netherlands and some other countries are actually higher educated than the local (White) population.
Iran has all the potentials to be great, but it's ruled by a failed ideology and incompetent leaders.

What do you propose, I think western nations will keep their strategy to culturally invade iranian minds with any nationalist or iranic centric government just like the islamic establishment. They go to EU because its better, more money a lot of this could be avoided if the sanctions were not here for decades, now even then cultural invasion and the offer of a better way of life being ingrained into iranian minds, they will want to go try it out, and before you know it, they are sent back to promote a 5th column for the west, the gay agenda, the whoredom feminist agenda, all of it. Unless the western axis and their influence is removed from the equation before the iranian leadership can be changed, otherwise iranians will be misled to follow again the failed western ideology, out of the frying pan, into the fire.

I propose a world war to solve our problems, may sound like a mad man talking but we can not rise as a separate independent power without ensuring the jewnited EUAA (europe, america and arabia) is brought down to our knees, until that is done, we must deal with mullah politics.

 

[AmirPatriot]

I think me can disagree but be civil at the same time.

Yes, and it's the only reason I'm being so patient with you.

Also, how am I biased when I don't believe every propaganda that comes out of IRI?

You do know, propaganda goes both ways. You are clearly anti-IR and that is reflecting in your arguments.

I am pro-IR but my criticism is constructive and not misplaced.

You also say I am misinformed.

Yes, you are. Only a few days ago you were lecturing people people on how IR was unable to "execute a complex project" and that's why it had never launched a satellite into space, even though it's sent multiple!

Here again you're saying mismanagement is the only problem... while it certainly is a problem, sanctions are by far the bigger problem.

Your eagerness to criticise the IR means you ignore the counter arguments. That is the definition of bias.

Both sanctions (which came only in 2014 and ended in 2016) and 8 year war are result of Mullah stupid policies and nothing else. Without Khomeini coup Iran would be a developed country with about 3 times higher GDP today.

Such lies... Sanctions started in 1979, and the war was brought by Saddam you idiot! So it's Iran's fault for being attacked!

 

[500]

Such lies... Sanctions started in 1979

International sanctions started only in 2014 and ended in 2016. If you talk about US sanction then they also a result of mullah policies and nothing else.

and the war was brought by Saddam you idiot! So it's Iran's fault for being attacked!

The war started for two reasons:
1) Mullahs started messing with Iraqi Shias trying to export revolution there.
2) Mullahs drastically weakened Iranian military by executing and arresting officers.

When Saddam realized that war did not go well he offered a peace, but mullahs decided to continue war for another 7 years (which were the bloodiest) and achieved NOTHING at all.

 

[pts_m_h_2016]

I don't believe this is story. It's all because of mismanagement. Iranians in USA, Canada, Netherlands and some other countries are actually higher educated than the local (White) population.
Iran has all the potentials to be great, but it's ruled by a failed ideology and incompetent leaders.

Same is true for Africans in the USA (Africans from Africa, not Africans born in America) and Indians in America.

But all African majority and Indian majority states in the world are hideously backward primitive lawless chaotic and just disgusting.

There is something called selection bias. The immigrants in those selected countries are the crème de la crème of their respective societies.

I am sure if you pick the 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Nigerians and 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Indians, they would be richer than the average/median person in any country in the world.

 

[AmirPatriot]

International sanctions started only in 2014 and ended in 2016. If you talk about US sanction then they also a result of mullah policies and nothing else.

More lies. International sanctions started in the 2000s and became more severe in 2012. US sanctions, which scared the shit out of all businesses trying to invest, are as a result of American and Israeli imperialism and NOTHING ELSE.

1) Mullahs started messing with Iraqi Shias trying to export revolution there.
2) Mullahs drastically weakened Iranian military by executing and arresting officers.

Trying to export the revolution when the constitution wasn't even a year old! You're funny! Saddam invaded because he wanted to seize the oil rich Khuzestan province of Iran!

And punishing traitors isn't an invitation to invade! Only people who already want to invade will be encouraged by it!

 

[Rustam]

Same is true for Africans in the USA (Africans from Africa, not Africans born in America) and Indians in America.

But all African majority and Indian majority states in the world are hideously backward primitive lawless chaotic and just disgusting.

There is something called selection bias. The immigrants in those selected countries are the crème de la crème of their respective societies.

I am sure if you pick the 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Nigerians and 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Indians, they would be richer than the average/median person in any country in the world.

I dont want to come off as racist, but problem is Iranians in general have always been crème de la crème of Human Races, in other words those africans, indians and this and that as you speak, as well as their french,british,american or most european counterparts except for a few iranic/aryan tribes as saxtons and celtics, were all living the life of savages and primitives. So it is natural for Iranians to create and found things. since we were ruling civilizations and empires when the africans and europeans were living as savages. Again not wanting to sound racist but its just that today iranians are being pushed into a corner by all the former savages to turn us into them. again take no offense please, I like the french people, I consider them far more civilized and rich in true roman influenced culture then their english neighbors and pretty much most of our neighbors.

 

[warfareknow]

I don't believe this is story. It's all because of mismanagement. Iranians in USA, Canada, Netherlands and some other countries are actually higher educated than the local (White) population.
Iran has all the potentials to be great, but it's ruled by a failed ideology and incompetent leaders.

Your observation is wrong. You just need to understand the bigger picture. In all of these countries where Iranians live, even in the USA, the Iranians make up a very tiny minority. Most of them also are those who either had good education before in Iran and/or were rich and therefor wanted their children also to be very high educated to maintain the wealth.

Just let me show you an example with the help of Germany. After the WWII Germany needed labours and welcomed everyone from Italy to Turkey. Germans looked especially for uneducated labour and they invited people to work in Germany as guests. However Turks wanted that their wives and children to follow and immigrate to Germany. Germans didnt expect that and the guests became eventually new citizens. Now from here the important part comes. 2006 1.7 milion Turks (800000 Kurds that also came from Turkey excluded) lived in Germany while only 150000 Iranians lived here. The Turks of the first generation that arrived here were people that had never any education. The secod generation eventhough growing up in Germany had only basic education, mainly because parents still thought very traditionally and wanted their children to work as early as possible. The third generation which includes my friends and people that are the same age as we are started to do more for education than the generations before. If you were going to school you could easily see that Turks make up a significant higher percentage of the pupils on the two better highschools (Gymnasium and Realschule) compared to the previous generations. Therefor they are also able to study and change the education demographics. Now the point is that Turks were seen as uneducated before beacuse of these two reasons. 1st: The huge population of uneducated that immigrated to germany
2nd: the relative late start of the 3rd generation to change the education level of the Turkish population in Germany.

Now most Iranians came to Germany after the revolution. Mainly educated and the rich fled from Iran back then. This tiny minority of Iranians with many educated people will naturally shine brighter than a bigger minority that was invited primarily because it icluded uneducated people. This will make one to conclude that Iranians are in general very educated and always work as doctors, engineers etc. but it is a wrong picture that we imagine.

I dont want to come off as racist, but problem is Iranians in general have always been crème de la crème of Human Races

Contradiction. I mean your whole post is just..

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Same is true for Africans in the USA (Africans from Africa, not Africans born in America) and Indians in America.

But all African majority and Indian majority states in the world are hideously backward primitive lawless chaotic and just disgusting.

There is something called selection bias. The immigrants in those selected countries are the crème de la crème of their respective societies.

I am sure if you pick the 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Nigerians and 50 people randomly from amongst the top 0.1% of richest Indians, they would be richer than the average/median person in any country in the world.

The Iranians in Europe are average Iranians. Not rich background, parents with normal educational background, but the kids are smarter than local white kids. I don't see this as selection bias. This could be said about the Iranians in usa.. Just after the revolution the rich and educated went to usa. But now even the second wave of Iranian immigrants and their kids who are " just average Iranian" have higher income and education than the locals there.

What do you propose, I think western nations will keep their strategy to culturally invade iranian minds with any nationalist or iranic centric government just like the islamic establishment. They go to EU because its better, more money a lot of this could be avoided if the sanctions were not here for decades, now even then cultural invasion and the offer of a better way of life being ingrained into iranian minds, they will want to go try it out, and before you know it, they are sent back to promote a 5th column for the west, the gay agenda, the whoredom feminist agenda, all of it. Unless the western axis and their influence is removed from the equation before the iranian leadership can be changed, otherwise iranians will be misled to follow again the failed western ideology, out of the frying pan, into the fire.

I propose a world war to solve our problems, may sound like a mad man talking but we can not rise as a separate independent power without ensuring the jewnited EUAA (europe, america and arabia) is brought down to our knees, until that is done, we must deal with mullah politics.

Iranian nation is trapped between 2 powers who try to enforce their culture/worldview upon us: internationalist islamist-leftist (islamic republic) and the western one.
There is no 3th alternative: the Iranian one based on Iranian cultural roots. Also Both see the Iranian and independent alternative as a threat.
So the sheeps either choose for the western or the islamist one, lacking knowledge, (parental) education to choose the Iranian alternative.
The only thing we can do is to enlighten our fellow countrymen about the Iranian alternative. It needs leadership, money and people2people awakening to enlighten our people. Look for example the Cyrus day which was organized by Iranians inside Iran. That was a move which fits in the Iranian alternative.

 

[VEVAK]

GDP per capita is an incredibly poor way to measure the wealth of people.

Funny of a Saudi to talk of science and technology, and an Israeli to to talk about military spending and nukes, when their own miniscule strip of dirt has nukes and spends more than Iran. Iran spends the least on its military per capita than anyone in the region.

@WordsMatter your words are well written but their content is woefully misinformed and bias is clouding your judgement. I suggest you aim more to learn from members here rather than try to lecture them with lack of knowledge.

@waz and @Serpentine I suggest this thread be closed asap as it has Israeli and Saudi trolls from page 1. Nothing good will come from this thread.

I'm good with closing it! All they got left in their bag of nonsense is GDP per capita! a Useless figure! The top 10 countries in terms of GDP per capita in the past 20 years all have low populations and NONE of them are them are advanced scientifically and they can't even build their own weapons and if you can't do that then your country loses it's independence & is fully dependent on other for defense which means other dictate your foreign policy!

there is so much poverty and misery in china. You said it yourself. Power doesnt mean comfortable life.


That's the only thing that matters + hdi and amount of debt.
GCC countries are doing good, they have a much better economy than Iran. Almost all gcc countries are ranked in top 10 countries of the world when looking at GDP per capita! which is amazing/incredible. I look at the facts.

Iran is in top 5 of countries with most natural resources (oil, gas, copper, gold etc), but our gdp per capita is low/average compared to our resource.
Our gdp per capita is ranked between Botswana and Gabon.
I think we should learn from GCC how to manage our economy.

You think there is ONLY poverty in China???????? I live in the U.S.! How about you go check how many shootings and gun violence Chicago had last year alone!

How about you go take a look at what the streets of Baltimore an hour away from the U.S. capital looks like! When you pull up pictures of Baltimore online all it shows you is the inner harbor but 90% of that city inside the beltway is ghetto & poverty is all over go check how many Murders Baltimore alone has!

And it's the same all over the U.S.! A few rich stats have it good but tomorrow China was to stop selling to the U.S. vast majority of American will go hungry and that is the FACT and reality of the U.S. the so called richest country on earth!

 

[Draco.IMF]

Liechtenstein has the highest GDP per capita in the world an they produce nothing

yeah ok, I know one manufacturing company from Liechtenstein, Hilti, thats it

 

[xenon54 out]

Liechtenstein has the highest GDP per capita in the world an they produce nothing

yeah ok, I know one manufacturing company from Liechtenstein, Hilti, thats it

Those are quality tools in construction sector across Europe, its a impressive archievement for such a small country actually.

 

[VEVAK]

@AmirPatriot I'm not lecturing anyone; I am simply expressing my opinion. I think me can disagree but be civil at the same time. Also, how am I biased when I don't believe every propaganda that comes out of IRI? You also say I am misinformed. Would you be kind enough and tell me how you have arrived at that conclusion?

Here are your good leaders for you!
This is progress for them

And soon their women will be Driving too!!!!!!!!!! WOW! I mean can you believe it! LOL!

Pathetic!

 

[Draco.IMF]

Those are quality tools in construction sector across Europe, its a impressive archievement for such a small country actually.

yes, absolutely, my post not about denigrating it
it just say a high GDP per capita does not say anything about a industry/manufacturing... of a country

i must correct myself, thehighest GDP per capita has Qatar 129,727 USD
now compare to Germany 48,190 USD

Qatar with absoultey ZERO, NOTHING, just OIL
Germany with an amazing industry/manufacturing producing machines/turbines/cars/engines.......