Iranians vs Arabs - The Dilemma for the Muslim World

[Fasih Khan]

They Should End this Madness of Hatred. There are No Real Issues between them, then the Predijuices against each other. They should forget it for the sake of Islamic Unity in these times of utter crises on Islamic World.

 

[TarikhiMusalman]

A real bone of contention between the Arab countries and Iran is the Shia-Sunni conflict and honestly this conflict will never end as Shias and Sunnis hate each other.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Negative on the turkey was part of Persian civilization part we came out of Mongolia as Khazars and Seljuks tribes. Turks and Mongols both originated from Mongolia in the 6th century.

I think majority of the Turkish are indigenous to Anatolia, and other ethnic neighbors around it.There are some people in Turkey that looks like they are Turkmens from Central Asia.

Turkic/Turk is a linguistics term. United by common language, but are very diverse.

 

[TarikhiMusalman]

Thought I am a "Sunni", I admire Iran far, far more than the Arabs. Iran has the best universities in the Islamic world today, it makes its own fighter jets(without help from China), and has sent satellites to space.

This "Shia-Sunni" thing is a non-issue. Shias and Sunnis are absolutely the same, just except for their view of history.

Let us sum up the achievements of both sides:

1. Iran:
-Survived the Iraqi invasion, with all the wealth of the Arabs, and the USA firmly behind Iraq.
-Successfully recovered economically from the war.
-Successfully tackled human development challenges. Reduced birth rates, ensured education for all, ensured industrialisation, ensured a good economy.
- Largest car producer in the Middle East, large steel producer, etc.
-Defies world sanctions, develops its own ships, aircraft, etc.
- Best universities in the Muslim world, currently, they win many international competitions.
- Sends satellites to space, being the world's 7th country to do so.
- Very good healthcare, with all citizens covered.
- Ideologically independent.

Now let us compare Saudi Arabia:
1. Funding madrassas, where students are taught that magnets point towards Mecca, not the North
3. No industry
4. No good Universities
5. Lazy people
6. Corruption
7. Exports Terrorism around the world
8. Treats non-Arabs as slaves(even Muslim Pakistanis or Bangladeshis)
9. Depends on the West for everything
10. Fought against the Ottoman Caliphate, on the side of the British
11. Supported Saddam against Iran, in a pointless war, which caused thousands of deaths and suffering for Iran.
12. Lapdog of the West, totally dependent on them for everything
13. Kings oppress their people, go on luxurious trips to Europe, drinking and whoring away their time.
etc, etc, etc.

So, despite being a "Sunni", I firmly support Iran, and wish them all the success.

Shias and Sunnis are the same? Well actually a big NO!

A vast majority of Muslims are not aware of the difference between Shia and Sunnis, Shias are againt the Companions and Sunnis hold them in utmost respect, the Shias do not consider Abu Bakr, Omar and Usman R.A as Khulfa e Rashideen, whereas for Sunnis they are the most esteemed. There are many more differences which will always prove to be a bone of contention.

We must not forget, Shia-Sunni conflict is not a new one, it is old as Islam itself 1300 years or more.

So stop living in Euphoria and face reality.

 

[Fasih Khan]

I think majority of the Turkish are indigenous to Anatolia, and other ethnic neighbors around it.There are some people in Turkey that looks like they are Turkmens from Central Asia.

Turkic/Turk is a linguistics term. United by common language, but are very diverse.

No Sane Individuals hate each other amongst us. I'm Sunni and have No Problems with my Shia Brothers. What ever differences we have can be sorted out consulting Qura'an and Sunaah.

 

[Ahmad]

Shias and Sunnis are the same? Well actually a big NO!

A vast majority of Muslims are not aware of the difference between Shia and Sunnis, Shias are againt the Companions and Sunnis hold them in utmost respect, the Shias do not consider Abu Bakr, Omar and Usman R.A as Khulfa e Rashideen, whereas for Sunnis they are the most esteemed. There are many more differences which will always prove to be a bone of contention.

We must not forget, Shia-Sunni conflict is not a new one, it is old as Islam itself 1300 years or more.

So stop living in Euphoria and face reality.

congradulations, do the fighting against each other and keep the strained relations in place so it can be exploited easyily at any time by anyone against us. Best of luck buddy.

 

[Jigs]

I think majority of the Turkish are indigenous to Anatolia, and other ethnic neighbors around it.There are some people in Turkey that looks like they are Turkmens from Central Asia.

Turkic/Turk is a linguistics term. United by common language, but are very diverse.

No not originally unless your referring to the ethnic background of the Turks now in Turkey but even that if traced back enough will be in parts of Asia essentially Mongolia. Two of the earliest Turkic Peoples were not part of Anatolia which at that time was part of the Byzantine Empire which in turn was conquered by Turkic people but before this two of the earliest Turkic civilizations were.

Göktürks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first time we saw Turks in Anatolia was during the Seljuq dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Which when we trace them back also migrated out of Asian areas.

Of course all these Turkic people were quite diverse from each other. None of them were originally from Anatolia though that is pretty well known.

 

[r3alist]

in light of the bahrain abuses i am bumping this thread.

 

[silko]

Thought I am a "Sunni", I admire Iran far, far more than the Arabs. Iran has the best universities in the Islamic world today, it makes its own fighter jets(without help from China), and has sent satellites to space.

This "Shia-Sunni" thing is a non-issue. Shias and Sunnis are absolutely the same, just except for their view of history.

Let us sum up the achievements of both sides:

1. Iran:
-Survived the Iraqi invasion, with all the wealth of the Arabs, and the USA firmly behind Iraq.
-Successfully recovered economically from the war.
-Successfully tackled human development challenges. Reduced birth rates, ensured education for all, ensured industrialisation, ensured a good economy.
- Largest car producer in the Middle East, large steel producer, etc.
-Defies world sanctions, develops its own ships, aircraft, etc.
- Best universities in the Muslim world, currently, they win many international competitions.
- Sends satellites to space, being the world's 7th country to do so.
- Very good healthcare, with all citizens covered.
- Ideologically independent.

Now let us compare Saudi Arabia:
1. Funding madrassas, where students are taught that magnets point towards Mecca, not the North
3. No industry
4. No good Universities
5. Lazy people
6. Corruption
7. Exports Terrorism around the world
8. Treats non-Arabs as slaves(even Muslim Pakistanis or Bangladeshis)
9. Depends on the West for everything
10. Fought against the Ottoman Caliphate, on the side of the British
11. Supported Saddam against Iran, in a pointless war, which caused thousands of deaths and suffering for Iran.
12. Lapdog of the West, totally dependent on them for everything
13. Kings oppress their people, go on luxurious trips to Europe, drinking and whoring away their time.
etc, etc, etc.

So, despite being a "Sunni", I firmly support Iran, and wish them all the success.

you should have a big title which says: the difference between saudi and iran! i thought you meant the whole muslim world against iran before i read about saudi!

 

[silko]

You are right about the sentiment, but wrong about the flag. Your real best friend is:

and dont forget Turkey

:turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag:

ohh wait... WE DONT HAVE ANY TURKISH FLAG HERE! whic is dissapointing, i want to see the pakistani and turkish flag to rise side by side in this forum.

PLEASE ADMINS, MAKE A TURKISH FLAG TO!

 

[Nishan]

This comparison is unfair, Because the Iranian regime since, Khomeini came to power, Did not provide anything to the Muslim world, I defy anyone to remind me of one thing useful by the Iranian regime to the Islamic nation, on the contrary, Since the Revolutionary regime came to power in Tehran, The Iranians did not do anything Useful, they Only divide the Muslim world

The examples are countless

Iraq:

-Sparked a war against this country, which lasted eight years
-Helped the Americans to occupy Iraq
-Al-Sistani , For $ 200 million, issued a fatwa prohibiting fighting the Americans
-Displacement of three million Sunni Iraq to neighboring countries
-Iranian militias expropriated Iraq

Palestine:

-The Palestinian people has had one representative, legitimate and internationally recognized, but after the intervention of Iran, the Palestinian people Split into two peoples , People in the West Bank has an internationally recognized government, and the people in Gaza ruled by Hamas-ruled , which is not recognized by any one except Iran.

-prevent the Palestinians to achieve peace with Israel, when Palestinians and Israelis closer the to resolve some problems, Iran makes Hamas launch terrorist operations.

Yemen:

-Throughout history, the people of Yemen were united until the iranian interfered came, which supported the Houthi Shiites in the north against the Yemeni government and Yemen suffered from civil war that left thousands dead.

Bahrain:

-Since Islam entered to Bahrain, there were no problems between Muslims there until one Iranian official discovered that Bahrain before “Thousands of years ago“ was part of the Persian Empire, so he babbling that Bahrain is part of Iran and the sectarian conflict flared in this island that were safe.

United Arab Emirates:

-Iran continues to occupy the UAE islands and rejects any international solutions, not even the International Court of Justice, this proves that the Iranians are fully aware that they are occupiers of these islands.

Saudi Arabia:

-Iran raises sectarianism in the Shiite minority in eastern Saudi Arabia

-Iran continues to provoke unrest during the pilgrimage season each year

Afghanistan:

-Iran has facilitated the U.S. occupation of Afghanistan

-Iran raises sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis in Afghanistan

Pakistan:

-Iran raises sectarian strife between Shiites and Sunnis in Pakistan

On the other hand, What the Arabs have done to the Islamic Nation

Political support:

for all Islamic issues, From Mindanao to Kashmir and Pakistan to Chechnya, Kosovo, Bosnia. . Etc.

Direct military support:

-Against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan

-Support and finance Pakistan's nuclear program

-Against Russian occupation of Chechnya

-Support Bosnian against the Serbs

-Support Kosovian Against Serbs

Support in cases of natural disasters

-Bam earthquake in Iran

-Earthquakes and floods in Pakistan

-Floods in Bangladesh . . .etc

Economic Support

-Gulf States provides annually billions of dollars to support health, education and economy in all Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that offer 20% of its oil revenues to help Islamic countries

Please tell me:

What is the benefit provided by The revolutionary regime in Iran to the Muslim world

 

[T-Faz]

and dont forget Turkey

:turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag: :turkeyflag:

ohh wait... WE DONT HAVE ANY TURKISH FLAG HERE! whic is dissapointing, i want to see the pakistani and turkish flag to rise side by side in this forum.

PLEASE ADMINS, MAKE A TURKISH FLAG TO!

I will request it, we should have a flag for Turkey, a nation we have a lot of admiration for.

 

[A1Kaid]

^ I've made that suggestion a long time ago and Admins made a decision not to have the TR flag smiley, hopefully they will change their mind.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/suggestions-discussions/30272-update-new-national-flags-1.html

 

[Majnun]

Does Arabs refer to all Arabs or certain Arabs, for example Saudis or Yemenis?

 

[r3alist]

Does Arabs refer to all Arabs or certain Arabs, for example Saudis or Yemenis?

i think any arab who cannot see beyond the shia/sunni, or arab/persian rivalry.