Iranians surround Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's car in poverty protest

[bozorgmehr]

Just by putting an Iranian flag along with an American flag and coming on to pdf doing a few posts does not mean that you represent the majority of Iranians. On the contrary you can tell by the thanks on this thread that I have received from Iranians along with the comments of all the other Iranians that you are in the minority with your opinions in Iran. Each nation has its minority just as we have who have been brainwashed by Waahhbi textbooks or by the western media. Maybe you have become a victim of Fox news. But it is telling that you bring cheer to an Arab that wants American and Saudi missiles to land on Tehran



Yea well you do not know him like we do. He at times infers he wants all Iranians and people who don't agree with him be burned

Brother I think you misunderstood me. That message was in reference to Xdrive who is telling us what's going on in the scene, while he doesn't understand the language and has no familiarity with Iranian culture nor with Ahmadinejad's operating procedures. He has made up this scenario in his head that he is giving away food vouchers and the people surrounding him and handing notes to him are actually hungry and looking for food. lol...

As far as my second comment to Mosa goes, I can imagine it must not be pleasant to have your country viewed in a negative light by others. Whether that view is justified or not is another matter, which I didn't get into. But I understand their attachment to their country and therefore their frustration. All I was trying to do was to guide the discussion into a non-personal and more honest channel. As with our parents, we all love our countries, not because they're perfect, but because they're the only one we've got. So our ability to stand back and accept justified criticism of our countries and our love and devotion for them are not mutually exclusive ideas. So he can accept imperfections within his country while still loving it and feeling dignified about it. That's all I was trying to say. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Mosamania]

Mosamania is probably a toilet cleaner in London or something like that. Why are you people wasting time on him ?

Oh nooooo my secret has been revealed. What will I do now??

My brother I just realised that you have insulted Toilet cleaners in London

Typical Aryan_B insult. Then he claims he never insults and stuff. You take the crown of my research as "Subject 1" with flying colors.

 

[lem34]

Brother I think you misunderstood me. That message was in reference to Xdrive who is telling us what's going on in the scene, while he doesn't understand the language and has no familiarity with Iranian culture nor with Ahmadinejad's operating procedures. He has made up this scenario in his head that he is giving away food vouchers and the people surrounding him and handing notes to him are actually hungry and looking for food. lol...

Please accept my appologies. But i am very passionate at the injustices that are being meted out on our respective countries by Americans and it would seem our Arab brothers

 

[lem34]

As far as my second comment to Mosa goes, I can imagine it must not be pleasant to have your country viewed in a negative light by others.

It is not his country that we are negative about nor Arabs. Believe you me I am a Pakistani Sunni. I have been brought up to love Iranians Arabs and Turks our history is that we have influences from all three great cultures. We insult the rulers of his country and we have evidence to show the reasons we feel the way we do. I dislike Zardari and some Pakistani leaders as much for selling us and our countries short. But our argument is with a small group ie one family. Mossa tries to make it sectarian that we do not like Sauds cos of Sunni Shia conflict. But this can not be true as I am Sunni. His next defence is to infer that we are being blasphemous which I and others resent. I was brought up that he who says Allah is one and his last prophet was Mohammad pboh is a Muslim. It is not for us to go beyond that and judge. That is Allahs right not Mossa's.

I have been moved after seeing the fighting on this forum to send a pm to a supporter of Sauds that we should mediate and try to get Iranians and Arabs to respect and discuss things in a civil manner. The response to me was you dont know what you are talking about we need to burn all and I mean all Iranians. how can I have a rational discussion when I am critical of a leader and someone responds in this manner. It is almost the response I would expect if I had been blasphemous.

Sorry to bore you brother but I thought it important to let you know. I hope you do not mind

 

[bozorgmehr]

Please accept my appologies. But i am very passionate at the injustices that are being meted out on our respective countries by Americans and it would seem our Arab brothers

No need brother. I admire your passion and agree with your values. The American civilization has somehow gone awry and has distanced itself from many of the positive values that let to its foundation. They have a warped view of the world and their place in it. It's a sad state of affairs when an American farmer in the mid-west has so much power to affect the lives of people in the middle east. We have to somehow lift ourselves by our bootstraps and be in better control of our own destinies. There's a lot of work to be done. But it all starts with words and ideas. Take care

 

[lem34]

Typical Aryan_B insult. Then he claims he never insults and stuff. You take the crown of my research as "Subject 1" with flying colors.

Mossa I swear if I was Iranian secret service I would employ you. You do not know the disservice you are doing to your cause. Any neutral seeing your posts will run a mile and side with anyone except Sauds. Is that your intention. Is this your idea of winning hearts and minds??

 

[Mosamania]

Mossa I swear if I was Iranian secret service I would employ you. You do not know the disservice you are doing to your cause. Any neutral seeing your posts will run a mile and side with anyone except Sauds. Is that your intention. Is this your idea of winning hearts and minds??

Saying that it is an insult to toilet cleaners of London if I was one and then replying to that clearly shows how things are going here.

Really all I can say is that I will let people be the judge of that.

 

[bozorgmehr]

It is not his country that we are negative about nor Arabs. Believe you me I am a Pakistani Sunni. I have been brought up to love Iranians Arabs and Turks our history is that we have influences from all three great cultures. We insult the rulers of his country and we have evidence to show the reasons we feel the way we do. I dislike Zardari and some Pakistani leaders as much for selling us and our countries short. But our argument is with a small group ie one family. Mossa tries to make it sectarian that we do not like Sauds cos of Sunni Shia conflict. But this can not be true as I am Sunni. His next defence is to infer that we are being blasphemous which I and others resent. I was brought up that he who says Allah is one and his last prophet was Mohammad pboh is a Muslim. It is not for us to go beyond that and judge. That is Allahs right not Mossa's.

I have been moved after seeing the fighting on this forum to send a pm to a supporter of Sauds that we should mediate and try to get Iranians and Arabs to respect and discuss things in a civil manner. The response to me was you dont know what you are talking about we need to burn all and I mean all Iranians. how can I have a rational discussion when I am critical of a leader and someone responds in this manner. It is almost the response I would expect if I had been blasphemous.

Sorry to bore you brother but I thought it important to let you know. I hope you do not mind

Believe me, I understand. But what are we supposed to do? We can't get off the righteous path because of the mistakes of others. And to be honest with you, after having witnessed an earthshaking revolution, 8 years of devastating war and spending many years as a refugee in various countries, I've come to the conclusion that we are all to blame. I've come to believe that injustice ripples through time and space and the imbalances created by it leaves nobody totally unscathed. I've come to believe that the welfare of my nieghbour is my own wellbeing. That's why we must be patient with one another and sometimes overlook small indiscretions. Tease each other if we want, but challenge one another we must. But I don't believe we should ever discard or close the book on one another. Anyway, these may not have to do exactly with what you said. So forgive me for rambling on...

 

[lem34]

Saying that it is an insult to toilet cleaners of London if I was one and then replying to that clearly shows how things are going here.

Really all I can say is that I will let people be the judge of that.

First Mossa you need to get a sense of humour. Second I thought you were getting upset because we wouldn't allow you to be a judge?? lol

But Mossa as a normal human being do you not think that the President of Iran is a humble person and that our leaders in Pakistan and Saudi can learn how to lead their lives. I do not mean that you have to agree with him just how he leads his life??

 

[lem34]

Believe me, I understand. But what are we supposed to do? We can't get off the righteous path because of the mistakes of others.

I know where you are coming from. I studied with and have some Iranians I work with that have left Iran. So in that sense I have some empathy. I think it seems the swing of the pendulum sometimes goes from one side to the other and no happy medium. Sometimes we do not have a right or wrong choice but the least of evils. I look forward to discussing other topics with you on the forum

 

[lem34]

First Mossa you need to get a sense of humour. Second I thought you were getting upset because we wouldn't allow you to be a judge?? lol

But Mossa as a normal human being do you not think that the President of Iran is a humble person and that our leaders in Pakistan and Saudi can learn how to lead their lives. I do not mean that you have to agree with him just how he leads his life??

Come on Mossa cat got your tongue

 

[SOHEIL]

Question for the regime-supporters here: on which side are you guys? We all know Ahmadinejad en Khamenei are in a power-struggle, but which person you morally support?

Drink too much !?

^ My question was meant for Iranians, not for non-Iranians.

what !!!

 

[IranZamin]

With respect whats your humanitarian efforts in KSA got to do with this thread Mosa. You come on here and try to troll and when its a fail you go off topic?
There is no unrest in Iran and this is such a weak attempt to bad Iran's name....

Man, that guy is a toilet cleaner in downtown London. Some people here treat him as if he is a Saudi government spokesman or something... ignore that troll

Question for the regime-supporters here: on which side are you guys? We all know Ahmadinejad en Khamenei are in a power-struggle, but which person you morally support?

lol what a stupid question

 

[RayKalm]

The women climbing up tells me that the Iranians have much more freedom than we think.

Though, Ahmad's continuation of his nuclear program and avoiding the hungry.. not a good sign.

 

[Arian]

The women climbing up tells me that the Iranians have much more freedom than we think.

Though, Ahmad's continuation of his nuclear program and avoiding the hungry.. not a good sign.

He isn't avoiding the hungry. He's taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. He's cutting off the +80 billion dollar subsidies that the government gave to the Iranians step by step and instead he's giving direct cash to people. That has helped the poor very much. They gave around 60$ per month to each Iranian individual that has registered. An average Iranian family in a small city or a town or a village consists of 4 people, so they get around 240$ each month which is a huge help for them. Of course the people of Iran are very unhappy with the situation, because the costs in Tehran are raising rapidly and they're getting out of control. People in Tehran are really unhappy with the economic situation, but the Iranian poor are getting much richer since when Ahmadinejad took the office.