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[Hack-Hook]

No evidence we supported Athens, please show your evidence before arguing for the sake of arguing. Either way, my point still stands that that was the last time a middle eastern nation had a proxy war in Europe.

Iran policy was a pacifying the western border , each Greece faction that become strong they were supported by Iranian . what you call Iranian support for Sparta was when Cyrus the younger sent there to manage the war in Greece . but after the support for Sparta and defeat of Athens , he make an uprising and turned out Sparta become loyal to him not Iran king and Iran had to fight Sparta as a result in 394bc this time we supported Athens to destroy Sparta .

we didn't care we just wanted a weak Greece that left our western border alone

The interaction between these states is pretty complex, but the basic fact is that Persian policy regarding the Greeks was about pacifying the western fringe of the empire and bringing the western coast of Asia Minor back into the Persian fold. Above all, this meant that no Greek state could be allowed to build up their power to the point where they could provide serious resistance.

Sparta had actually left the anti-Persian alliance of Greek states as early as 478 BC, leaving the job of dismantling the Persian presence in the Aegean to the Athenians. These were very successful at pushing the Persians back throughout the 470s and 460s, and gradually turned the alliance into an Athenian empire. For the Persians, Athens was definitely the main threat to the stability of their western satrapies - especially given their invasions of Cyprus and Egypt in the 450s, which threatened lands more important to Persian power than the distant west. When war broke out between Athens and Sparta, the Persians naturally saw the Spartans as an agent who could restore the balance of power in the Greek world and take the pressure off Persia. This would allow the Persians to be the laughing third, snatching up whatever Athens could no longer hold.

In addition, there is the fact that the Athenians seem to have supported the satrap Amorges in a rebellion against the Persian king in 412 BC, in the hope of securing a lasting financial backer. Amorges was crushed, and the Persians were understandably miffed that the Athenians had supported him; it was around this time that they actually decided to support the Spartan cause. However, we know very little about the details of the Athenian alliance with Amorges, because Thucydides decided not to discuss it.

All that said, the actual policy of the western satraps was one of opportunism. Their divide-and-conquer strategy meant that they had to find a balance between funding the weaker party in Greek-on-Greek wars and making sure the party they supported did not become too strong. The initial support offered by the satrap Tissaphernes to the Spartans was half-hearted, and the Athenians maintained hopes of securing it for themselves by making diplomatic overtures to Tissaphernes. Pharnabazos, satrap of Phrygia, was somewhat more helpful, but still offered no structural and substantial support, no doubt out of fear that it would simply replace the Athenian threat to Persia with a Spartan one. It wasn't until the arrival of the king's brother, Cyrus the Younger, in 408/7 BC, that the Persians became the unambiguous backers of Sparta in its ongoing war with Athens.

The influence of Persian support was massive. No Greek city-state could easily bear the financial burden of building and maintaining a large fleet; the sheer cost of naval war meant that the Spartans had the Athenians against the ropes by 413 BC. However, superior naval tactics and generalship allowed the Athenians to wipe out the Spartan fleet three times (at Kynossema in 410 BC, Kyzikos in 409 BC and Arginousai in 406 BC). Thanks to Persian funding, the Spartans were able to rebuild their fleet each time. When they finally managed to destroy the Athenian fleet (at Aigospotamoi in 405 BC), the Athenians had no money left to rebuild it, and their fate was sealed.

The decision to send Cyrus to fund the Spartan fleet unfortunately backfired pretty horribly. Instead of tying Spartan loyalties to Persia, Cyrus appears to have tied them to himself; with Athens defeated in 404 BC, with Sparta raised to unprecedented heights of power, and with the entire Aegean dominated by Sparta, Cyrus assured himself of their reciprocating support, and promptly marched on Susa to seize the Persian throne. He was defeated, but the Persians were still forced to fight a war in Asia Minor against the Spartan empire they had helped create - which was exactly the situation their policy had been intended to prevent. Reversing their stance, they now decided to back the Athenians against Sparta. Spartan naval power was broken by an Athenian-led but Persian-funded fleet at Knidos in 394 BC.

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Iran policy was a pacifying the western border , each Greece faction that become strong they were supported by Iranian . what you call Iranian support for Sparta was when Cyrus the younger sent there to manage the war in Greece . but after the support for Sparta and defeat of Athens , he make an uprising and turned out Sparta become loyal to him not Iran king and Iran had to fight Sparta as a result in 394bc this time we supported Athens to destroy Sparta .

we didn't care we just wanted a weak Greece that left our western border alone

Where did you pull that long and irrelevant quote from? Have you ever studied in higher education? They usually ask for references of where quotes or claims are made. Your quote actually supports what I said! Either way i think you're confused about political influence and proxy war. Yes Persia had influence on Athens but they never supported them in any war, rather they were sworn enemies. In fact it was this animosity which led Persia to capitise on the degrading of relations between Athens and Sparta which led to the Peloponnesian League, and that was where Persia supported Sparta militarily, for the first time, and the first example of Iran's proxy war in Europe. You bringing up Cyrus the Younger was after the fact and a derailment, something you're very good at especially when you're clearly wrong.

 

[sha ah]

So the US is trying to rush air defense systems to Ukraine. They're saying within a few weeks. But so far Russia has destroyed 30% of Ukraine's energy infrastructure. By the time these air defense systems get there, there will be nothing left to defend LOL

Also Ukraine has come out and said that they are producing their own kamikaze drone which is superior to the Iranian drones. They claim that this drone will be ready soon and that it will have a 75 KG payload and 1000 KM range, outdoing the Shahed-136. (wait till they see the Arash-2)

No but seriously the issue with that is that developing such hardware takes times and Russia has one of the best air defense networks in the world and Russia is large, Russia has strategic depth, which will make these operations harder for Ukraine. Well we shall see, only time will tell.

Oh and here we go again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582612714072903680

 

[sha ah]

man another failed amphibious landing to retake the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant. That power plant provided Ukraine with 20% of its electricity. Russia has currently destroyed 30% of Ukraine's civilian infrastructure. These numbers don't bode well for Ukraine this upcoming winter.

The EU has banned crypto farming because of electricity shortages. Protests are increasing and becoming violent in the EU. Do you realize that Ukraine has thousands of troops killed and wounded in the last few weeks ? Ukraine also wants to mobilize even more men/women/dogs. This will be their 10th round of mobilization.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582612208663822336

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582513355276910592

 

[sha ah]

 

[sha ah]

OMG so painful to watch. These days war is so cruel. A drone from Aliexpress flies above you and drops a mortar from 1984 on your head. Damn that's cruel. Even video game nerds could do this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582680469648592903

 

[siegecrossbow]

OMG so painful to watch. These days war is so cruel. A drone from Aliexpress flies above you and drops a mortar from 1984 on your head. Damn that's cruel. Even video game nerds could do this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582680469648592903

DJI and AliExpress are fighting a proxy war they have zero interest in fighting.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Where did you pull that long and irrelevant quote from? Have you ever studied in higher education? They usually ask for references of where quotes or claims are made. Your quote actually supports what I said! Either way i think you're confused about political influence and proxy war. Yes Persia had influence on Athens but they never supported them in any war, rather they were sworn enemies. In fact it was this animosity which led Persia to capitise on the degrading of relations between Athens and Sparta which led to the Peloponnesian League, and that was where Persia supported Sparta militarily, for the first time, and the first example of Iran's proxy war in Europe. You bringing up Cyrus the Younger was after the fact and a derailment, something you're very good at especially when you're clearly wrong.

Thats the reason Iran fought with Sparta and that's why that 10000 Greek soldier where at the heart of Persian empire and trying to retreat.
And your link will come don't worry when I was ever wrong about Iran history what you said was Peloponnesian war , the war between Athens and Sparta didn't end there the regime Sparta put on to rule Athens last only 1 year
Athens recover and that lead to Corinthian wars (395–387 BC)
The Corinthian War (395–387 BC) was a conflict in ancient Greece which pitted Sparta against a coalition of city-states comprising Thebes, Athens, Corinth and Argos, backed by the Achaemenid Empire.
At first, the Spartans achieved several successes in pitched battles (at Nemea and Coroneia), but lost their advantage after their fleet was destroyed at the naval Battle of Cnidus against the Persian fleet, which effectively ended Sparta's attempts to become a naval power.
As a result, Athens launched several naval campaigns in the later years of the war, recapturing a number of islands that had been part of the original Delian League during the 5th century BC. Alarmed by these Athenian successes, the Persians stopped backing the allies and began supporting Sparta. This defection forced the allies to seek peace.

The King's Peace, also known as the Peace of Antalcidas, was dictated by the Achaemenid King Artaxerxes II in 387 BC, ending the war. This treaty declared that Persia would control all of Ionia, and that all other Greek cities would be "autonomous", in effect prohibiting them from forming leagues, alliances or coalitions.[3] Sparta was to be the guardian of the peace, with the power to enforce its clauses. The effects of the war, therefore, were to establish Persia's ability to interfere successfully in Greek politics, to atomize and isolate from one another Greek city states.

Achaemenid naval campaign and assistance to Athens (393 BC)[edit]​

Naval raids in Ionia[edit]​

Pharnabazus followed up his victory at Cnidus by capturing several Spartan-allied cities in Ionia, instigating pro-Athenian and pro-Democracy movements.[29] Abydus and Sestus were the only cities to refuse to expel the Lacedemonians despite threats from Pharnabazus to make war on them. He attempted to force these into submission by ravaging the surrounding territory, but this proved fruitless, leading him to leave Conon in charge of winning over the cities in the Hellespont.

Naval raids on the Peloponnesian coast[edit]​

Achaemenid naval campaign in support of Athens against Sparta during the Corinthian War (394–393 BC)[29]
From 393 BC, Pharnabazus II and Conon sailed with their fleet to the Aegean island of Melos and established a base there.[29] This was the first time in 90 years, since the Greco-Persian Wars, that the Achaemenid fleet was going so far west.[29] The military occupation by these pro-Athenian forces led to several democratic revolutions and new alliances with Athens in the islands.[29]

The fleet proceeded further west to take revenge on the Spartans by invading Lacedaemonian territory, where they laid waste to Pherae and raided along the Messenian coast.[29] Their aim was probably to instigate a revolt of the Messanian helots against Sparta.[29] Eventually they left due to scarce resources and few harbors for the Achaemenid fleet in the area, as well as the looming possibility of Lacedaemonian relief forces being dispatched.[29]

They then raided the coast of Laconia and seized the island of Cythera, where they left a garrison and an Athenian governor to cripple Sparta's offensive military capabilities.[29] Cythera in effect became Achaemenid territory.[29] Seizing Cythera also had the effect of cutting the strategic route between Peloponnesia and Egypt and thus avoiding Spartan-Egyptian collusion, and directly threatening Taenarum, the harbour of Sparta.[29] This strategy to threaten Sparta had already been recommended, in vain, by the exiled Spartan Demaratus to Xerxes I in 480 BC.[29]

Pharnabazus II, leaving part of his fleet in Cythera, then went to Corinth, where he gave Sparta's rivals funds to further threaten the Lacedaemonians. He also funded the rebuilding of a Corinthian fleet to resist the Spartans.[29]


as I said its hard to find me wrong about Iran history i read all these wars when i was at guidance school . at first we supported Spartan but the incidents I previously stated and you taught were off-topic resulted in change of our policy and we found Athens and its allies navy and destroyed Sparta navy (which we ourselves founded) and then when Athens and its allies began to get upper hand , we stopped support Athens and its allies and again supported Sparta and then impose a peace treaty on them which is known as King's Peace

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

Thats the reason Iran fought with Sparta and that's why that 10000 Greek soldier where at the heart of Persian empire and trying to retreat.
And your link will come don't worry when I was ever wrong about Iran history what you said was Peloponnesian war , the war between Athens and Sparta didn't end there the regime Sparta put on to rule Athens last only 1 year
Athens recover and that lead to Corinthian wars (395–387 BC)
The Corinthian War (395–387 BC) was a conflict in ancient Greece which pitted Sparta against a coalition of city-states comprising Thebes, Athens, Corinth and Argos, backed by the Achaemenid Empire.
At first, the Spartans achieved several successes in pitched battles (at Nemea and Coroneia), but lost their advantage after their fleet was destroyed at the naval Battle of Cnidus against the Persian fleet, which effectively ended Sparta's attempts to become a naval power.
As a result, Athens launched several naval campaigns in the later years of the war, recapturing a number of islands that had been part of the original Delian League during the 5th century BC. Alarmed by these Athenian successes, the Persians stopped backing the allies and began supporting Sparta. This defection forced the allies to seek peace.

The King's Peace, also known as the Peace of Antalcidas, was dictated by the Achaemenid King Artaxerxes II in 387 BC, ending the war. This treaty declared that Persia would control all of Ionia, and that all other Greek cities would be "autonomous", in effect prohibiting them from forming leagues, alliances or coalitions.[3] Sparta was to be the guardian of the peace, with the power to enforce its clauses. The effects of the war, therefore, were to establish Persia's ability to interfere successfully in Greek politics, to atomize and isolate from one another Greek city states.

Achaemenid naval campaign and assistance to Athens (393 BC)[edit]​

Naval raids in Ionia[edit]​

Pharnabazus followed up his victory at Cnidus by capturing several Spartan-allied cities in Ionia, instigating pro-Athenian and pro-Democracy movements.[29] Abydus and Sestus were the only cities to refuse to expel the Lacedemonians despite threats from Pharnabazus to make war on them. He attempted to force these into submission by ravaging the surrounding territory, but this proved fruitless, leading him to leave Conon in charge of winning over the cities in the Hellespont.

Naval raids on the Peloponnesian coast[edit]​

Achaemenid naval campaign in support of Athens against Sparta during the Corinthian War (394–393 BC)[29]
From 393 BC, Pharnabazus II and Conon sailed with their fleet to the Aegean island of Melos and established a base there.[29] This was the first time in 90 years, since the Greco-Persian Wars, that the Achaemenid fleet was going so far west.[29] The military occupation by these pro-Athenian forces led to several democratic revolutions and new alliances with Athens in the islands.[29]

The fleet proceeded further west to take revenge on the Spartans by invading Lacedaemonian territory, where they laid waste to Pherae and raided along the Messenian coast.[29] Their aim was probably to instigate a revolt of the Messanian helots against Sparta.[29] Eventually they left due to scarce resources and few harbors for the Achaemenid fleet in the area, as well as the looming possibility of Lacedaemonian relief forces being dispatched.[29]

They then raided the coast of Laconia and seized the island of Cythera, where they left a garrison and an Athenian governor to cripple Sparta's offensive military capabilities.[29] Cythera in effect became Achaemenid territory.[29] Seizing Cythera also had the effect of cutting the strategic route between Peloponnesia and Egypt and thus avoiding Spartan-Egyptian collusion, and directly threatening Taenarum, the harbour of Sparta.[29] This strategy to threaten Sparta had already been recommended, in vain, by the exiled Spartan Demaratus to Xerxes I in 480 BC.[29]

Pharnabazus II, leaving part of his fleet in Cythera, then went to Corinth, where he gave Sparta's rivals funds to further threaten the Lacedaemonians. He also funded the rebuilding of a Corinthian fleet to resist the Spartans.[29]


as I said its hard to find me wrong about Iran history i read all these wars when i was at guidance school . at first we supported Spartan but the incidents I previously stated and you taught were off-topic resulted in change of our policy and we found Athens and its allies navy and destroyed Sparta navy (which we ourselves founded) and then when Athens and its allies began to get upper hand , we stopped support Athens and its allies and again supported Sparta and then impose a peace treaty on them which is known as King's Peace

Lol you dont know where you quoted that long paragraph from? Do you suffer dementia?

Notice all of the dates in your latest post are AFTER the Persian proxy alliance with Sparta. Write a 10 mile long post for all I care, the fact remains that the FIRST military proxy war of the Persians were in an alliance with Sparta, NOT Athens. Carry on and derail when you're wrong like you usually do.

 

[Sineva]

 

[tsunset]

So where are the Israeli (chosen people with a superior brain than everyone on earth) ultra technology laser beams defense systems specially made to down Iranian brown Islamist terrorists world-invading drones in Ukraine? Where are the "easy stinger will shoot it down"? The patriot patriotic batteries shooting down easily Iranian brown imperialist-islamist terror sponsor state invader drones? The Guepard? The technological big brain U.S.A systems made by ++IQ whites?

 

[aryobarzan]

Some of the words spoken by none biased people and US vets..not my words!

A single TB Bayraktar drone costs ~$5M.

A single Geran-2 attack drone costs ~$20k.

In other words, for the same money you can easily get 250 Geran-2 drones. Incredible value!



Another vet comments:
This is the future of warfare , instead of hyper expensive highly capable UCAV in limited number , the future will see this very cheap drones swarming the enemy in large number .. and they so cheap and easy to produce.

 

[BigMelatonin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582762885646020608

 

[BordoEnes]

Our drones

Our drones are 90 percent iranian.
But your drones are 100 percent nonturkish.

This is the difference

Its the other way around. Given all the components that have come to light as being non-Iranian, its admirable you can keep that bs narrative alive and going. We have a far higher domestic contribution if not already 100%, whilst technically 100% of Iranian drones are complete foreign imports, because the machines they are being made with are inherently foreign. Still though you seem to keep the copium supply going, lets hope that is also not foreign imported lol.