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What's as good as certain, is that this aircraft was downed by an Iranian weapon because it was the first and only time the Taleban claimed responsibility for hitting a USA Air Force plane. They did not operate MANPAD's or other anti-aircraft missiles before, and it came shortly after the martyrdom of shahid Soleimani. Chances are therefore that this was part of Iran's retaliatory actions for revenge.

Another thing which seems highly likely is that this wasn't an ordinary, "low-value" target. That D'Andrea was on board is a distinct possibility as well.
Planes have crashed before and Taliban has claim them. So ask if they have manpads to do that back then. So chances of Iran's retaliatory actions is pretty much zero. I'm sure the Iranians want to claim it just for public consumption for shooting ballistic missiles but not killing anyone not to mention blowing up a civilian plane.


US denies Taliban shot down cargo plane in Afghanistan​

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Militants claim responsibility for deadly crash near Jalalabad airport but US army says there was no indication of enemy fire

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@SalarHaqq Compare the E-11A's wreckage this with the MH17 wreckage (the one shot down over Ukraine). Damage done to both is indicative of a missile strike and we do know that a missile destroyed the MH17.
You are comparing this wreckage to the E-11?

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This is what the MH17 wreckage looks like after being shot down.

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Ukrainian plane shot down in Iran.
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Planes have crashed before and Taliban has claim them. So ask if they have manpads to do that back then. So chances of Iran's retaliatory actions is pretty much zero. I'm sure the Iranians want to claim it just for public consumption for shooting ballistic missiles but not killing anyone not to mention blowing up a civilian plane.


US denies Taliban shot down cargo plane in Afghanistan​

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Militants claim responsibility for deadly crash near Jalalabad airport but US army says there was no indication of enemy fire

It seems they did possess such weapons, then. Nonetheless, instances of possible downings of USA aircraft by the Taleban have been rare:


I count a total of six American aircraft the Taleban claim to have shot down (sometimes with small arms or RPG's), and a seventh destroyed on a runway. That's six USA military planes or helicopters struck in flight over almost twenty years, i.e. less than one every three years.

The E-11A crashed only three and a half weeks after shahid Soleimani's martyrdom.

It was part of the 430th Expeditionary Electronic Combat Squadron and therefore an electric warfare and/or spy plane of sorts - a fitting symbolic target for Iranian retaliation in this case.

Also, the CIA failed to deny the presence of agents on board.

Last but not least, the USA regime is on the record for trying to spread disinformation on these kinds of incidents, as when it first denied the destruction of a Chinook helicopter by the Taleban in 2010, before admitting it later on:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-taliban-missile-strike-chinook

Makes one wonder, which of the other ongoing denials by Washington are in fact cover ups?

With all this in mind, chances that Iran was involved in bringing down the E-11A are thus far from 'zero'.
 
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It seems they did possess such weapons then. Nonetheless, instances of possible downings of USA aircraft by the Taleban were rare:


I count a total of six American aircraft the Taleban claim to have shot down (sometimes with small arms or RPG's), and a seventh destroyed on a runway. That's six USA military planes or helicopters downed in flight over almost twenty years, i.e. less than one every three years.

The E-11A crashed only three and a half weeks after shahid Soleimani's martyrdom.

It was part of the 430th Expeditionary Electronic Combat Squadron and therefore an electric warfare and/or spy plane of sorts - a fitting target for Iranian retaliation in this case.

Also, the CIA failed to deny the presence of agents on board.

With all this in mind, chances that Iran was involved are far from "zero".
Actually agree with part about cia not denying there were others on the plane, because when they say no comment usually means yeah there were people on the plane who got away, probably hiding at safe houses in taliban controlled areas because if they did confirm at the time I would imagine thousands of taliban fighters would have been trying to capture them, regardless if they shot it down or not also this happened a few years and what happened taliban won, I don’t think anyone won with that Iran or America, Taliban hates Iran almost as much as America, only difference is iran borders them and they need Iran currently
 
Yeah but why would the Iranian media use a movie pic for him?
you say media , you are in hurry , have a time limit to meet . so you took the first photo you find on the net slap on the article and send it who care
Where is the evidence of the ban? All I see is Russian claims that the Russian language is banned.
On February 23, 2014, the second day after the flight of Viktor Yanukovich, while in a parliamentary session, a deputy from the Batkivshchyna party, Vyacheslav Kyrylenko, moved to include in the agenda a bill to repeal the 2012 law "On the principles of the state language policy". The motion was carried with 86% of the votes in favour—232 deputies in favour vs 37 opposed against the required minimum of 226 of 334 votes. The bill was included in the agenda, immediately put to a vote with no debate and approved with the same 232 voting in favour. The bill would have made Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels
n April 2015, the Verkhovna Rada passed a law banning communist as well as Nazi propaganda and symbols.[64] The names of cities, villages, streets and squares that referred to communist slogans and leaders fell under the ban and had to be changed.[65] According to Volodymyr Viatrovych, who had inspired the law, in October 2016 Ukraine's toponymy had undergone a complete process of decommunization, including in the Donbas region.[66] Former Dnipropetrovsk became Dnipro, and Kirovohrad became Kropyvnytskyi. The de-Russification of Ukrainian toponymy implied also the removal from railways and airports of any information board written in Russian; as of December 2016, all information had to be given only in Ukrainian and English. Free Ukrainian language courses for civil servants working in the Donetsk regional administration were organised, and from January 2017 Ukrainian became the only language of official and interpersonal communication in public institutions.[66]
In June 2016, a new law was enacted requiring Ukraine's radio stations to play a quota of Ukrainian-language songs each day. At least a quarter of a radio station's daily playlist had to be in Ukrainian from then on, rising to 30% in 12 months' time and 35% a year after that. The law also required TV and radio broadcasters to ensure at least 60% of programs such as news and analysis are in Ukrainian.[67] The law entered into force on 9 November, the national day for Ukrainian Language and Literacy.[66] President Petro Poroshenko hailed the law calling on people to share their favourite Ukrainian song on social medias,[68] while the pro-Russian Opposition Bloc criticised the law and said people had the right to decide for themselves what to listen to, and in which language.[67] According to The Economist, the passage of a law downgrading Russian in Ukraine could have helped "spark war in that country; Vladimir Putin has used it as evidence that Ukrainian nationalists are bent on wiping out Russian culture there."[69]

In May 2017, Verkhovna Rada enacted an analogous law prescribing a 75% Ukrainian-language quotas in all television channels operating in Ukraine.[66]
Ukraine's 2017 education law made Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[70][71][72] to be phased in 2023.[73] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deteriorated over the issue of the Hungarian minority in Ukraine.[74] The education law received criticism and has been accused of being nationalistic and needlessly provocative;[75] Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has defended the law, claiming that "The law ensures equal opportunities for all... It guarantees every graduate strong language skills essential for a successful career in Ukraine".[70]

all in all a lot more needless law that later get revoked but served their purpose on dividing the country , it was like death by a thousand slash on the body of Ukraine as a united country . little by little people get divided
Plane can just be moved around and not have to be in use. If there were 13 dead, they would have said it.
it need 4 crew to flight even if on of them only have duty to serve cocktail
 
you say media , you are in hurry , have a time limit to meet . so you took the first photo you find on the net slap on the article and send it who care

On February 23, 2014, the second day after the flight of Viktor Yanukovich, while in a parliamentary session, a deputy from the Batkivshchyna party, Vyacheslav Kyrylenko, moved to include in the agenda a bill to repeal the 2012 law "On the principles of the state language policy". The motion was carried with 86% of the votes in favour—232 deputies in favour vs 37 opposed against the required minimum of 226 of 334 votes. The bill was included in the agenda, immediately put to a vote with no debate and approved with the same 232 voting in favour. The bill would have made Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels
n April 2015, the Verkhovna Rada passed a law banning communist as well as Nazi propaganda and symbols.[64] The names of cities, villages, streets and squares that referred to communist slogans and leaders fell under the ban and had to be changed.[65] According to Volodymyr Viatrovych, who had inspired the law, in October 2016 Ukraine's toponymy had undergone a complete process of decommunization, including in the Donbas region.[66] Former Dnipropetrovsk became Dnipro, and Kirovohrad became Kropyvnytskyi. The de-Russification of Ukrainian toponymy implied also the removal from railways and airports of any information board written in Russian; as of December 2016, all information had to be given only in Ukrainian and English. Free Ukrainian language courses for civil servants working in the Donetsk regional administration were organised, and from January 2017 Ukrainian became the only language of official and interpersonal communication in public institutions.[66]
In June 2016, a new law was enacted requiring Ukraine's radio stations to play a quota of Ukrainian-language songs each day. At least a quarter of a radio station's daily playlist had to be in Ukrainian from then on, rising to 30% in 12 months' time and 35% a year after that. The law also required TV and radio broadcasters to ensure at least 60% of programs such as news and analysis are in Ukrainian.[67] The law entered into force on 9 November, the national day for Ukrainian Language and Literacy.[66] President Petro Poroshenko hailed the law calling on people to share their favourite Ukrainian song on social medias,[68] while the pro-Russian Opposition Bloc criticised the law and said people had the right to decide for themselves what to listen to, and in which language.[67] According to The Economist, the passage of a law downgrading Russian in Ukraine could have helped "spark war in that country; Vladimir Putin has used it as evidence that Ukrainian nationalists are bent on wiping out Russian culture there."[69]

In May 2017, Verkhovna Rada enacted an analogous law prescribing a 75% Ukrainian-language quotas in all television channels operating in Ukraine.[66]
Ukraine's 2017 education law made Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[70][71][72] to be phased in 2023.[73] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deteriorated over the issue of the Hungarian minority in Ukraine.[74] The education law received criticism and has been accused of being nationalistic and needlessly provocative;[75] Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has defended the law, claiming that "The law ensures equal opportunities for all... It guarantees every graduate strong language skills essential for a successful career in Ukraine".[70]

Nothing in the link there says Russian language has been banned and only make Ukrainian language official or used more.

Also interesting...
"In April 2015, the Verkhovna Rada passed a law banning communist as well as Nazi propaganda and symbols"
all in all a lot more needless law that later get revoked but served their purpose on dividing the country , it was like death by a thousand slash on the body of Ukraine as a united country . little by little people get divided

it need 4 crew to flight even if on of them only have duty to serve cocktail
No it doesn't need a crew of 4. A plane of that class can be flown by 2.
 
Shahed-136 downed an Ukrainian MiG-29 that tried to shoot it down https://frontierindia.com/historic-...-trying-to-shoot-an-iranian-shahed-136-drone/

apparently it is also confirmed by the Ukrainian authorities
State Investigation Bureau of Ukraine writes:
https://dbr.gov.ua/news/dbr-zyasovu...i-pid-chas-znishhennya-vorozhih-bezpilotnikiv

DBR employees are investigating the circumstances of the crash of a military plane in the Vinnytsia region, which occurred on October 12, 2022 around 9 pm during the announcement of the "air alert" signal.

According to preliminary information, the military pilot was on a combat mission to destroy enemy UAVs. He managed to shoot down 5 "Shahed-136" kamikaze drones. According to one version of the investigation, near the city of Turbiv, during the destruction of another object, fragments of a downed enemy drone hit the cabin of the Ukrainian aircraft.
The pilot directed the MiG-29 fighter in the field to avoid large-scale destruction and casualties among the civilian population. Fortunately, he managed to expel. The soldier is currently hospitalized.

PS
from the photos of the wreckage the aircraft did not have the classic camouflage but judging by the appearance of the wreckage the Mig-29 belonged to the Ukrainian aerobatic team
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