Iranian Space program

[TheImmortal]

Thank you for agreeing that the new system showed was not the conventional Sejjil-2 that we have always known for the past 14 years. You were very staunchly calling it a conventional Sejjil-2 and now you are not.

A Sejill-2 with a MaRV is still a sejill-2. Just like an Emad is a Shahab-3 with a MaRV warhead. But anyway our initial discussions was around an ICBM.

You cited Iran has an ICBM potentially ready so I asked you if you were referring to Zoljanah converted to ICBM

Here:

Is this the ICBM you are talking about?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1352501710007250944

To which you replied:

You are mixing it up.

Zoljanah-based ICBM is a "could be" case. It will get 5000 KM or whatever is pure speculation rigth now since such RV has not been deployed on it. Zoljanah is an SLV as of today.

Sejjil-3 or whatever you may call it, is an actual thing with three stages and has been tested/unveiled during the great prophet exercise which unbiased western experts estimated to be an all-solid three-staged MaRV-IRBM (not ICBM). It is 7-8 feet longer than Sejjil-2, and much heavier as well.

See the size and third stage difference, there is another difference as well if you can see it.

Your reply and pivot towards this “Sejill-2-Emad” was confusing and it made seem like this was the ICBM you were referring to in original post and not Zoljanah SLV to ICBM conversion.

All I wanted to know is where the 5,000KM+ ICBM is you cited since now you are saying it’s not Sejill-2X since it’s only an “3 stage IRBM”

Conversation got tangled up it seems...

 

[TheImmortal]

BTW- Zoljanah converted to ICBM threshold would be a Sejill with a Salman stage or if Iran wanted to be more efficient it would use raafe stage

Zoljanah using Sejil and Salman (ICBM)

Zoljanah using Sejill and Raafe (ICBM)

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540677481719406594

 

[Samar111]

well , beforehand , we will make sure that single ICBM turn USA to nuclear wasteland ...

Zoljanah is not a military missiles ... its purely for our space program ....

Why have you not tested a nuke yet?

 

[OldTwilight]

Why have you not tested a nuke yet?

Because ISI ( Islamic State of Iran ) is using external threat to scare people and use it as an excuse, to use IRON FIST against Iranians ...

thanks to Sanctions , now days more than 80 percent of Iranians economy is in hand of ISI ...

They use sanction and external military threat as an execuse to blame all of their mismanagment and thievery on external powers ...

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

Because ISI ( Islamic State of Iran ) is using external threat to scare people and use it as an excuse, to use IRON FIST against Iranians ...

thanks to Sanctions , now days more than 80 percent of Iranians economy is in hand of ISI ...

They use sanction and external military threat as an execuse to blame all of their mismanagment and thievery on external powers ...

Great iran is a socialist country .
Congratulations

 

[OldTwilight]

Great iran is a socialist country .
Congratulations

well , the poverty is socialized , the wealth is in the hand of ISI ...

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

well , the poverty is socialized , the wealth is in the hand of ISI ...

Iran is a very mysterious country

 

[OldTwilight]

so , with nukes , the threat of external invasion will become very low for Iran , so they ( ISI ) can't use card of "External invasion" in Iran anymore ...

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

so , with nukes , the threat of external invasion will become very low for Iran , so they ( ISI ) can't use card of "External invasion" in Iran anymore ...

Okay , but a nation like iran should have nukes .
It just looks good

 

[OldTwilight]

Okay , but a nation like iran should have nukes .
It just looks good

Historically , Iran in past 3000 years is facing majore invasion every 40-50 year ,

List of wars involving Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

nukes can break this circle ...

 

[drmeson]

Okay , but a nation like iran should have nukes .
It just looks good

Iran is known by April-May to have somewhere between 43 Kg (IAEA) to 60 Kg (Israel) are 60% enriched U235.

The basic rule of thumb is 1 kg of 90 % enriched HEU = 1 KT yield in a modern efficient Fission device (Reference is US warhead B83 or W76 device)

Hypothetically speaking, if Iran decides to weaponize this 60 KG of 60% enriched amount then they will get some 40 KG of 90 % enriched HEU from this amount by further enrichment (which takes 8-10 days). Now how do the strategist you decide on diversifying our arsenal is up to the nuclear doctrine we devise, which itself is based on threat perception? It could be like:

Larger weapons to take out small to medium Cities/Towns: 4 x 7 KT Devices
Medium devices to destroy Military-Industrial Complexes/Large Industries: 5 x 2 KT Devices
Naval targets like aircraft carriers/Larger airbases: 3 x 1 KT Devices

So just by April or May estimates, Iran could be armed with 10-12 devices. For all we know the enriched quantity may have been multiplied by ow. Our delivery mechanisms are one of the strongest in the world outside superpowers. We have roa mobile and underground precisions Ballistic and Cruise Missiles launch systems (~3000 KM range) and a large fleet of Attack Aerial Platforms (300 x MALE UCAVs + 120 x Upgraded Attack Fighter aircraft).

An Israeli missile strike (AF cant reach Iran) on Natanz or Fordow will result in nothing but IRGC replicating the attack on Dimona only 10 times larger with Sejjil/Emad while this 45 KG will turn into 90 KG very fast and then 180 KG very fast. This is why JCPOA will never ever die completely and I personally believe even Israel itself would rather take the diplomatic route from here. Their small time assasination of some random soldier of Iran is not working.

Historically , Iran in past 3000 years is facing majore invasion every 40-50 year ,

List of wars involving Iran - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

nukes can break this circle ...

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran is known by April-May to have somewhere between 43 Kg (IAEA) to 60 Kg (Israel) are 60% enriched U235.

The basic rule of thumb is 1 kg of 90 % enriched HEU = 1 KT yield in a modern efficient Fission device (Reference is US warhead B83 or W76 device)

Hypothetically speaking, if Iran decides to weaponize this 60 KG of 60% enriched amount then they will get some 40 KG of 90 % enriched HEU from this amount by further enrichment (which takes 8-10 days). Now how do the strategist you decide on diversifying our arsenal is up to the nuclear doctrine we devise, which itself is based on threat perception? It could be like:

Larger weapons to take out small to medium Cities/Towns: 4 x 7 KT Devices
Medium devices to destroy Military-Industrial Complexes/Large Industries: 5 x 2 KT Devices
Naval targets like aircraft carriers/Larger airbases: 3 x 1 KT Devices

So just by April or May estimates, Iran could be armed with 10-12 devices. For all we know the enriched quantity may have been multiplied by ow. Our delivery mechanisms are one of the strongest in the world outside superpowers. We have roa mobile and underground precisions Ballistic and Cruise Missiles launch systems (~3000 KM range) and a large fleet of Attack Aerial Platforms (300 x MALE UCAVs + 120 x Upgraded Attack Fighter aircraft).

An Israeli missile strike (AF cant reach Iran) on Natanz or Fordow will result in nothing but IRGC replicating the attack on Dimona only 10 times larger with Sejjil/Emad while this 45 KG will turn into 90 KG very fast and then 180 KG very fast. This is why JCPOA will never ever die completely and I personally believe even Israel itself would rather take the diplomatic route from here. Their small time assasination of some random soldier of Iran is not working.



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All I have , are realistic thoughts ....

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

Iran is known by April-May to have somewhere between 43 Kg (IAEA) to 60 Kg (Israel) are 60% enriched U235.

The basic rule of thumb is 1 kg of 90 % enriched HEU = 1 KT yield in a modern efficient Fission device (Reference is US warhead B83 or W76 device)

Hypothetically speaking, if Iran decides to weaponize this 60 KG of 60% enriched amount then they will get some 40 KG of 90 % enriched HEU from this amount by further enrichment (which takes 8-10 days). Now how do the strategist you decide on diversifying our arsenal is up to the nuclear doctrine we devise, which itself is based on threat perception? It could be like:

Larger weapons to take out small to medium Cities/Towns: 4 x 7 KT Devices
Medium devices to destroy Military-Industrial Complexes/Large Industries: 5 x 2 KT Devices
Naval targets like aircraft carriers/Larger airbases: 3 x 1 KT Devices

So just by April or May estimates, Iran could be armed with 10-12 devices. For all we know the enriched quantity may have been multiplied by ow. Our delivery mechanisms are one of the strongest in the world outside superpowers. We have roa mobile and underground precisions Ballistic and Cruise Missiles launch systems (~3000 KM range) and a large fleet of Attack Aerial Platforms (300 x MALE UCAVs + 120 x Upgraded Attack Fighter aircraft).

An Israeli missile strike (AF cant reach Iran) on Natanz or Fordow will result in nothing but IRGC replicating the attack on Dimona only 10 times larger with Sejjil/Emad while this 45 KG will turn into 90 KG very fast and then 180 KG very fast. This is why JCPOA will never ever die completely and I personally believe even Israel itself would rather take the diplomatic route from here. Their small time assasination of some random soldier of Iran is not working.



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Are you sure about small time soldier part , sir?
As i see in news , they are successfull in assisination of many scientists

 

[drmeson]

Are you sure about small time soldier part , sir?
As i see in news , they are successfull in assisination of many scientists

The last actual scientist assassinated was Dr. Fakhrizade. Since then an IRGC commander (not a scientist) and two drone pilots. Big Deal? We produce 0.4 Million STEM grads every year, so how many will they kill?

But since Fakhrizadeh, Iran has

Got its enrichment levels to 60 % of around 45-60 KG which is DANGEROUSLY close to HEU
Tested ~hypersonic skip glide vehicles
Transfer 1000 Km ranging LACM/AShCM to Hezbollah
Attacked Saudi Refineries for fun
Got large UCAV fleets underground
Breached Israeli Airspace with UCAVs
Launched Ballastic Missiles attacks at Israeli intel compounds
Kicked IAEA out
Killed JCPOA talks
Our nominal GPA has only grown

so they killed an old man .... we are winning the war.

All I have , are realistic thoughts ....

After sessions with a professional (that you need) you will not say the same stuff that you have been saying here.