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If the U.S. has a sat that's constantly monitoring a few known sites then it's likely that they have space based weapons pointed at them either space based lasers or small projectile interceptors.
And if anyone here thinks the U.S. is abiding by their treaty of NOT putting weapons in space then you are a fool!

If you know exactly where the launch is going to take place & it's only a single launch then the laser doesn't have to be that strong, SLV's are fragile, you focus the beam long enough on a single area to cause it to malfunction!

Cheaper way to do it would be with a space based small projectile interceptor but you are limited with the number of projectiles you can deploy that can also do the trick SLV's are slower than Ballistic Missiles and calculating their trajectory is easier you just put a small projectile in it's path and then boom!!!!! and you can even make your projectile look like space junk or a small sat....

If the U.S. wants to play these games with Iran then Iran needs to work it's way around these problems and their are 2 ways you can do it!

1.Build an Air Launched SLV! And this is the best way to do it! If Iran builds a 3(2.5) stage SLV based on the Sejil Booster they can build an SLV far more capable than the Simorgh & launch it at high altitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(rocket)

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You can put 1000 lb in LEO with this! And the U.S. has had 38 successful launches with an SLV weighing in at only 20 tons (same weight as the Sejil-2)

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2nd Option is to have mobile launch sites this would limit your prep & limit the size of the SLV & reduce your success rate and at max the Simorgh will be the biggest SLV you will ever launch.
 
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If the U.S. has a sat that's constantly monitoring a few known sites then it's likely that they have space based weapons pointed at them either space based lasers or small projectile interceptors.
And if anyone here thinks the U.S. is abiding by their treaty of NOT putting weapons in space then you are a fool!

If you know exactly where the launch is going to take place & it's only a single launch then the laser doesn't have to be that strong, SLV's are fragile, you focus the beam long enough on a single area to cause it to malfunction!

Cheaper way to do it would be with a space based small projectile interceptor but you are limited with the number of projectiles you can deploy that can also do the trick SLV's are slower than Ballistic Missiles and calculating their trajectory is easier you just put a small projectile in it's path and then boom!!!!! and you can even make your projectile look like space junk or a small sat....

If the U.S. wants to play these games with Iran then Iran needs to work it's way around these problems and their are 2 ways you can do it!

1.Build an Air Launched SLV! And this is the best way to do it! If Iran builds a 3(2.5) stage SLV based on the Sejil Booster they can build an SLV far more capable than the Simorgh & launch it at high altitude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(rocket)

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You can put 1000 lb in LEO with this! And the U.S. has had 38 successful launches with an SLV weighing in at only 20 tons (same weight as the Sejil-2)

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2nd Option is to have mobile launch sites this would limit your prep & limit the size of the SLV & reduce your success rate and at max the Simorgh will be the biggest SLV you will ever launch.
about laser, firstly the strongest laser which they could mount on a platform as big as ships has just a few kilometer range, secondly a simple sensor on the ground can identify it easily.
and about projectiles, you didn't calculate the error. even a sniper bullet is useless in few kilometers, after few kilometers the projectile follows the path enforced by nature not the shooter.
 
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about laser, firstly the strongest laser which they could mount on a platform as big as ships has just a few kilometer range, secondly a simple sensor on the ground can identify it easily.
and about projectiles, you didn't calculate the error. even a sniper bullet is useless in few kilometers, after few kilometers the projectile follows the path enforced by nature not the shooter.

1st Iran's last launch went down 1000km from the launch site so NO they don't have to intercept in reentry they intercept with a small rocket assisted projectile the size of Iran's Omid sat or even smaller with an optical sensor and all it has to do is get in it's path! When I say projectile your thinking of a gun with a bullet but that's NOT what I mean! and it wouldn't be traveling in a straight line & gravity and laws of nature will be factored in!

2ndly the range of laser in space are different and far greater for you have no light or other particle pollution as you would within the earth's atmosphere & again you wait on it to get out of the atmosphere..... so again your wrong! But it is less likely because it would be a multi ton sat that would require a lot of power with little effect! US is using lasers for communication in space so don't know if they are for communication or for other purposes!

about laser, firstly the strongest laser which they could mount on a platform as big as ships has just a few kilometer range, secondly a simple sensor on the ground can identify it easily.
and about projectiles, you didn't calculate the error. even a sniper bullet is useless in few kilometers, after few kilometers the projectile follows the path enforced by nature not the shooter.

Finally this is not a matter of capability for the U.S. has it! U.S. signed a treaty NOT to place space weapons in space so they have the capability & you would have to be a fool to think they would stick by that treaty
 
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Iran fires another missile from launch pad, US official says
By Lucas Tomlinson

Published February 08, 2017
FoxNews.com
Now Playing
Iran conducts missile test amid war of words with US

Iran launched another missile Wednesday from the same launch pad east of Tehran where it conducted a previous ballistic missile test last month, an official told Fox News.

The Semnan launch pad was the same as the one where Fox News reported exclusively on Tuesday, satellite photos showed Iran had placed a Safir rocket poised to put a satellite into space before it was taken off the launcher. The reason Iran scrubbed the previous launch is not yet known.

The missile used in Wednesday's launch was a short-range Mersad surface-to-air missile, which impacted 35 miles away, according to a U.S. official.
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US official: Iran fires defensive missile - CNNPolitics.com - CNN.com

if it is true, it means someone wanted to create a fake launch for media to keep the face! if not true, means U.S wanted to cover their previous story or something else.

Yet this is utterly shameful that we have to notice our activities through Foxnews, all just because some cowards in Iran are afraid of their masters in U.S.
 
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Iran fires another missile from launch pad, US official says
By Lucas Tomlinson

Published February 08, 2017
FoxNews.com
Now Playing
Iran conducts missile test amid war of words with US

Iran launched another missile Wednesday from the same launch pad east of Tehran where it conducted a previous ballistic missile test last month, an official told Fox News.

The Semnan launch pad was the same as the one where Fox News reported exclusively on Tuesday, satellite photos showed Iran had placed a Safir rocket poised to put a satellite into space before it was taken off the launcher. The reason Iran scrubbed the previous launch is not yet known.

The missile used in Wednesday's launch was a short-range Mersad surface-to-air missile, which impacted 35 miles away, according to a U.S. official.
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US official: Iran fires defensive missile - CNNPolitics.com - CNN.com

if it is true, it means someone wanted to create a fake launch for media to keep the face! if not true, means U.S wanted to cover their previous story or something else.

Yet this is utterly shameful that we have to notice our activities through Foxnews, all just because some cowards in Iran are afraid of their masters in U.S.

launching a mersad also can mean some one wanted come near the site without permission .
 
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launching a mersad also can mean some one wanted come near the site without permission .
firing Mersad from the launch pad?! how they managed to identify the missile as Mersad?
in the Israeli drone case, we announced the news immediately. this time nothing.
This whole case is fishy.
 
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firing Mersad from the launch pad?! how they managed to identify the missile as Mersad?
in the Israeli drone case, we announced the news immediately. this time nothing.
This whole case is fishy.
well I also believe its somehow fishy as mersad needs a complete different launcher than what is used for Safir and you can't use the same launcher for both of them.
 
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Iran fires another missile from launch pad, US official says
By Lucas Tomlinson

Published February 08, 2017
FoxNews.com
Now Playing
Iran conducts missile test amid war of words with US

Iran launched another missile Wednesday from the same launch pad east of Tehran where it conducted a previous ballistic missile test last month, an official told Fox News.

The Semnan launch pad was the same as the one where Fox News reported exclusively on Tuesday, satellite photos showed Iran had placed a Safir rocket poised to put a satellite into space before it was taken off the launcher. The reason Iran scrubbed the previous launch is not yet known.

The missile used in Wednesday's launch was a short-range Mersad surface-to-air missile, which impacted 35 miles away, according to a U.S. official.
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US official: Iran fires defensive missile - CNNPolitics.com - CNN.com

if it is true, it means someone wanted to create a fake launch for media to keep the face! if not true, means U.S wanted to cover their previous story or something else.

Yet this is utterly shameful that we have to notice our activities through Foxnews, all just because some cowards in Iran are afraid of their masters in U.S.

Seems like BS to me, who the hell would launch a Mersad from a launch pad???
 
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http://fararu.com/fa/news/305669/پاسخ-وزیر-دفاع-به-ادعای-آزمایش-موشکی-ایران
وزیر دفاع با اشاره به راهپیمایی 22 بهمن، گفت: ادعای جدید آمریکایی‌ها مبنی بر آزمایش جدید موشکی ایران ساختگی و با هدف دشمن‌سازی و ایران هراسی است.

به گزارش فارس، سردار سرتیپ پاسدار حسین دهقان وزیر دفاع و پشتیبانی نیروهای مسلح که به استان گیلان سفر کرده است در پاسخ به سئوال خبرنگاران مبنی بر موضع ایران در خصوص ادعای جدید مقامات و رسانه های آمریکایی مبنی بر آزمایش موشک دیگر از سوی ایران، اظهار داشت: اولاً این ادعاها ساختگی است و چنین اتفاقی رخ نداده است ،ثانیاً اگر چنین آزمایشی صورت گرفته بود به آنان هیچگونه ربطی ندارد و ثالثاً برنامه موشکی جمهوری اسلامی ایران برنامه‌ای عادی و آزمایشات موشکی آن جزء برنامه های از پیش طراحی شده است که برای حفظ آمادگی های دفاعی کشورمان صورت می‌گیرد.

وی افزود: این گونه ادعاهای ساختگی یک نوع دشمن سازی و ایران هراسی است که توسط رژیم صهیونیستی طراحی شده و از طرفی تحریک و از طرفی دیگر دروغ پراکنی می‌کنند.
 
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Iran fires another missile from launch pad, US official says
By Lucas Tomlinson

Published February 08, 2017
FoxNews.com
Now Playing
Iran conducts missile test amid war of words with US

Iran launched another missile Wednesday from the same launch pad east of Tehran where it conducted a previous ballistic missile test last month, an official told Fox News.

The Semnan launch pad was the same as the one where Fox News reported exclusively on Tuesday, satellite photos showed Iran had placed a Safir rocket poised to put a satellite into space before it was taken off the launcher. The reason Iran scrubbed the previous launch is not yet known.

The missile used in Wednesday's launch was a short-range Mersad surface-to-air missile, which impacted 35 miles away, according to a U.S. official.
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US official: Iran fires defensive missile - CNNPolitics.com - CNN.com

if it is true, it means someone wanted to create a fake launch for media to keep the face! if not true, means U.S wanted to cover their previous story or something else.

Yet this is utterly shameful that we have to notice our activities through Foxnews, all just because some cowards in Iran are afraid of their masters in U.S.

So you think Iran should show everything it does publicly and nothing should be classified so what you can feel better about your country?
And we should show everything on TV despite the economic implications it could have on business in Iran?
And are you planning to cover the losses to Iran Air when they get placed on sanctions?
or are you planning to answer to & cover the losses of all the stockholders of a public company when it gets placed on sanctions?
And all for what? So you can feel better about your country?

Iran tested the Simorgh SLV booster without any Media circus & without any sanctions!

Iran has to feel out this new administration and if they keep making noise on Iranian test, you will get your wish! But the logical option is the 1st option and if this administration can fire Simorgh SLV's without any noise and without any Sanctions then that's the logical option!
 
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So you think Iran should show everything it does publicly and nothing should be classified so what you can feel better about your country?
And we should show everything on TV despite the economic implications it could have on business in Iran?
And are you planning to cover the losses to Iran Air when they get placed on sanctions?
or are you planning to answer to & cover the losses of all the stockholders of a public company when it gets placed on sanctions?
And all for what? So you can feel better about your country?
why should we hide our civilian space activities? didn't the liars say JCPOA has nothing to do with our missile power, let alone the civilian space launches? didn't they say 2231 doesn't affect our missiles?
lift of sanctions was in return of destroying our Nuclear infrastructures, not shutting down our space launches.


Iran tested the Simorgh SLV booster without any Media circus & without any sanctions!
that case was an exception due to the government transition in U.S, do you think you can hide a space launch now? first sallow the latest sanctions then talk about the advantages of secrecy.

But the logical option is the 1st option and if this administration can fire Simorgh SLV's without any noise and without any Sanctions then that's the logical option!
Yeah, the logical option is to hide the advancements and humiliate Iranian by saying our capability is Abgoosht-e- bozbash, so that they could destroy the remaining domestic factories by 6 times increase of the imports just from China, so that they could give the projects (in secret deals) to foreign countries and solve their unemployment, so that they can shut down 80% of the scientific projects and complain about the inevitable brain drain, so that they could fire our scientists while claiming to create jobs by fabricating the economic growth rate, so that they could destroy the future of this country while returning us back to the Qajar era. a clone of the Soviet union, cutting edge military and f@cked up economy and industry.
 
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why should we hide our civilian space activities? didn't the liars say JCPOA has nothing to do with our missile power, let alone the civilian space launches? didn't they say 2231 doesn't affect our missiles?
lift of sanctions was in return of destroying our Nuclear infrastructures, not shutting down our space launches.



that case was an exception due to the government transition in U.S, do you think you can hide a space launch now? first sallow the latest sanctions then talk about the advantages of secrecy.


Yeah, the logical option is to hide the advancements and humiliate Iranian by saying our capability is Abgoosht-e- bozbash, so that they could destroy the remaining domestic factories by 6 times increase of the imports just from China, so that they could give the projects (in secret deals) to foreign countries and solve their unemployment, so that they can shut down 80% of the scientific projects and complain about the inevitable brain drain, so that they could fire our scientists while claiming to create jobs by fabricating the economic growth rate, so that they could destroy the future of this country while returning us back to the Qajar era. a clone of the Soviet union, cutting edge military and f@cked up economy and industry.

You hid it because the whole point of the JCPOA is to be a trust building measure! Signing it doesn't mean both sides now trust each other!
When you wanna build trust then you don't create a media circus around a launch when you KNOW the other side has a pro Israeli Media that will twist the JCPOA into a deal that funded your Missiles specially when you know the TRUTH means nothing to those people and that is exactly what they are going to do!

And there is a difference between shutting down our space program vs creating a media circus around it! JCPOA didn't stop Iran from testing the Simorgh booster!

Something like SAMAN-1 with a few adjustments can turn a Sejil-2 into 3 stage ICBM (It will give it a range well beyond 5500km with a 1000 lb warhead! And Iran started testing the Sejil-2 a decade ago so if Iran wanted by now they could have built a stronger booster capable of hitting the U.S.!

The U.S. has the capability to takeout every Sat we send to space so unless we build some sense of trust (NOT allies not Friends) but some sense of tolerance they will make it their business to disrupt all our efforts!

What people say on the internet or on their Media means NOTHING! The U.S. knows our capabilities! What's important is that Iran continues down this path of development but do it without making noise & after some sense of trust is built we will make all the noise that we want!
Trump just took office and if they continue down this path of publicizing our tests, Iran will start making them public anyways!
 
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1st Iran's last launch went down 1000km from the launch site so NO they don't have to intercept in reentry they intercept with a small rocket assisted projectile the size of Iran's Omid sat or even smaller with an optical sensor and all it has to do is get in it's path! When I say projectile your thinking of a gun with a bullet but that's NOT what I mean! and it wouldn't be traveling in a straight line & gravity and laws of nature will be factored in!

2ndly the range of laser in space are different and far greater for you have no light or other particle pollution as you would within the earth's atmosphere & again you wait on it to get out of the atmosphere..... so again your wrong! But it is less likely because it would be a multi ton sat that would require a lot of power with little effect! US is using lasers for communication in space so don't know if they are for communication or for other purposes!



Finally this is not a matter of capability for the U.S. has it! U.S. signed a treaty NOT to place space weapons in space so they have the capability & you would have to be a fool to think they would stick by that treaty
That is incorrect... there is no treaty banning weapons in space. You may be thinking of the Outer Space Treaty, which bans WMDs in space.
 
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