Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

[Banu Umayyah]

i know very well what is the us army and i know what can they do but here is some facts
1 vitnam
2 afganstan
3 iraq
they destroyed their armys but they could never occupay them as for closing the strait us attack is not a joke and it should be the last option to provoke the us attack and if i was in charge i would have dont the same let them be the attacker and iran be the victum and like i said time will tell
the reality is the us power becoming weaker in time their respect and fear around the world fade just like the roman empire they only need one battle to show the world what they really are bot to mention the rise of china and russia even their european allays are not under their command anymore and maybe in time they will form a full european union and end nato

The US is not looking to occupy Iran, just send them 400 years back.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

The US is not looking to occupy Iran, just send them 400 years back.

and you want this to happen ?

 

[junk]

The US is not looking to occupy Iran, just send them 400 years back.

the point of going to war with iran is oil, if they cant occupy iran how would they get their oil?

us/nato is not foolish to spill the blood of innocents for no reason.

 

[Hellfire]

the point of going to war with iran is oil, if they cant occupy iran how would they get their oil?

us/nato is not foolish to spill the blood of innocents for no reason.

The point of going to war is only one: removal of the regime which is not liked by US. Simple as that. Even oil is not in consideration. Thats just a fringe benefit.

 

[junk]

The point of going to war is only one: removal of the regime which is not liked by US. Simple as that. Even oil is not in consideration. Thats just a fringe benefit.

kindly explain: what has regime got to do here?

if today iran said alright guys you can have our oil at cheap rates all this sabber rattling will go away & iran will become a blue eyed boy of the west, its all about oil.

 

[The SC]

How Iran will be something else? You don't have a clue about US military capabilities.

Iran is all hype dude.

Read this clearly: U.S. admiral says forces prepared to confront Iran

You think that senior US military officials are joking? US military is already present in Hormuz region.

If Iran is really so strong then why it has not closed the Strait of Hormuz by now and why it allowed US military forces to maintain presence in this region?

Wake-up.


You proof is insignificant. And I am not insulting you but giving you some reality check. This is problem with many muslims and not just you.

4 Islamic nations already humiliated in WOT and some are still talking about challenging US.

Never underestimate a nation that can make its own weapons.
By comparing Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan to Iranian military might, you are showing some ignorance of the matters in question.

Libya was a very small nation with mostly immigrants working, and a tiny army.

Afghanistan was in shambles, with hardly any organised army and too many political factions inviting an invasion some how, since no one in the area seemed to like the Taliban, eventhough they made positive progress in fighting corruption and drug trafficking. (what do you say about almost Zero production of heroin in the Taliban era and 90% now?)

Iraq military power was inflated so much to justify the Invasion, the real reason is the fears of Israel (Userael) from nuclear bombs that Iraq succeed in designing, many Iraqi nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad in Europe prior to all of these events.

During the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was taken by surprise while at its weakest state militarily and economically, and the policies of divide and conquer of the west came into play by "arming" Saddam to the teeth with weapons his army couldn't use in combat -technologically speaking-, so, apart from the republican guard (a few armoured divisions) there were no well educated and well trained soldiers, only soldiers trained in tranche warfare, thus very vulnerable to air strikes and modern warfare.

Compare to Iran today, I will let you deduct you own conclusions about why the US hesitated many times in this case!

 

[Hellfire]

kindly explain: what has regime got to do here?

if today iran said alright guys you can have our oil at cheap rates all this sabber rattling will go away & iran will become a blue eyed boy of the west, its all about oil.

The fact that Iran continues to be symbolic of the failure of American foreign policy in terms of a major ally (the Shah). Its more to do with the fact that the Ayatollahs symbolise an ongoing challenge to the psyche of US dominance and US's perceptions of what is right is a major consideration.
The fact is further reinforced by Gulf War II which had no basis for execution except the personal fued of junior George Bush with Saddam Hussein whose continuation was considered a failure of policy on behalf of the senior.

 

[junk]

USA is a powerful nation with all its military might it can crush iran in matter of days/weeks but USA does not want this as this will unite all iranians who will fight the USA, cuz this has more draw backs.

1) world economy will go to tail spin even if iran blocked hormuz for few weeks
2) China, India, Russia will feel threatened if iran falls cuz us will have a permanent presence in iran, afghanistan it has a potential of ww3

i wish i never get to see any more wars in my life time, world has seen too many wars its time for some peace.

The fact that Iran continues to be symbolic of the failure of American foreign policy in terms of a major ally (the Shah). Its more to do with the fact that the Ayatollahs symbolise an ongoing challenge to the psyche of US dominance and US's perceptions of what is right is a major consideration.
The fact is further reinforced by Gulf War II which had no basis for execution except the personal fued of junior George Bush with Saddam Hussein whose continuation was considered a failure of policy on behalf of the senior.

in history of empires if there was any nation too strong to conquer/defeat the policy of diplomacy has worked, Iran is a tough nut to crack i dont see why diplomacy wont work here.

curious to know what would be india's stand if us goes to war with Iran?

 

[Hellfire]

USA is a powerful nation with all its military might it can crush iran in matter of days/weeks but USA does not want this as this will unite all iranians who will fight the USA, cuz this has more draw backs.

Yes but with all its might. And it must get bases to launch from.

1) world economy will go to tail spin even if iran blocked hormuz for few weeks

The effect may not be so drastic as they may be mitigated by strategic oil reserves usually maintained by countries

2) China, India, Russia will feel threatened if iran falls cuz us will have a permanent presence in iran, afghanistan it has a potential of ww3

No one will intervene!

in history of empires if there was any nation too strong to conquer/defeat the policy of diplomacy has worked, Iran is a tough nut to crack i dont see why diplomacy wont work here.

Its not worked in almost 33 years yet.

curious to know what would be india's stand if us goes to war with Iran?

we will also back it if it does happen. we wont if it wont

 

[junk]

Yes but with all its might. And it must get bases to launch from.

US has enough bases around ME, iran & afghanistan, plus not to forget the aircraft carriers.

The effect may not be so drastic as they may be mitigated by strategic oil reserves usually maintained by countries

you are either day dreaming or have no clue, Iran will not only block the strait but also will destroy all oil facilities in ME & plus its own oil facilities will get destroyed it will take months if not years, thought of this sends shivers through my spine, imagine the world without oil, there will be complete breakdown of adminstrative infrastructure, break down civil in infrastructre, break down of law & order, complete choas & riots in every street of the world, i am not sure how many countries will break into pieces if this really happens.

if this is not a recepie for ww3 what is then? lol

No one will intervene!

India may not as it might quietly give in to US pressure but china & russia will intervene, they have to protect themselves cuz after iran it would be india/china/russia in that line.

Its not worked in almost 33 years yet.

it has not worked it doesnt mean it wont.

we will also back it if it does happen. we wont if it wont

Good to know & the problem is india is not backing by continuing to buy iranian oil.

 

[junk]

on a general note, USA is the mighty daddy here it can crush/defeat iran but USA is also very calculative about the aftermath, so the sanctions has always been the option, why don't u lot support USA with regards to Iran? it will be more easy to bring down Iran if you guys obliged with USA.

Iran will have a regime change, USA will install its friendly ally in power, india will get more oil contracts?

 

[Banu Umayyah]

and you want this to happen ?

I couldn't care less what happens to Iran.
I would rather see them suffer from sanctions while my country develops rapidly. Just like whats happening now. The only reason why the Iranian president visited the disputed islands is to make an artificial fuss, so the Iranian people don't think about reforms and focus on the lurking outside enemies.

 

[LeGenD]

One Us battle group is too vulnerable to the Iranian Navy and coastal defence forces.
people are confusing the US military might as a whole with a US battle group in faraway places, not even in open seas!!!

How have you assumed that US will be using only one battle group? US can send more in the region, if necessary. And this is not a matter of 'can send more'. US has history of doing so in case of major hostilities. And fire-power of even a single battle group is enormous.

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Incidents like this can happen during normal circumstances. An Iranian drone was once found spying on a US carrier group but left after it was spotted.

Thing is that level of alertness during war based scenario is on a whole new level because it becomes a matter of life and death then. Every kind of surveillance equipment is put to use during war based scenario.

Never underestimate a nation that can make its own weapons.

US is in leading position in this regard. US weapons are known to set standards. Iranian weapons, in comparison, are mostly unknown in capabilities.

By comparing Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan to Iranian military might, you are showing some ignorance of the matters in question.

No! You need to understand that US can target Iranian infrastructure and assets with impunity. Iran cannot do so in response. This is the major difference.

Libya was a very small nation with mostly immigrants working, and a tiny army.

So? Libya was still a new front with challenges of its own. Libya is huge territory wise and this allowed Gaddafi to scatter weapons within the country to make it difficult for the aggressor to destroy all of them with relative ease within short span of time. In addition, US had to make sure that rebels would not just survive onslaught of Libyan military but also overthrow Gaddafi. This was a complicated task when keeping in mind that how poorly trained, equipped, and disorganized the rebel movement was in the beginning. In the end, regime change was accomplished without sending a professional military in that nation.

Libyan operation occurred after nearly 9 years of fighting on two major fronts; Iraq and Afghanistan. This is an indication of how much power US still packs even after several years of exertion on multiple fronts. Currently, US is militarily engaged only in Afghanistan. Iraq and Libya are closed chapters.

Afghanistan was in shambles, with hardly any organised army and too many political factions inviting an invasion some how, since no one in the area seemed to like the Taliban, eventhough they made positive progress in fighting corruption and drug trafficking. (what do you say about almost Zero production of heroin in the Taliban era and 90% now?)

I will say the same thing to you - don't even get me started on Afghanistan. This country is not known for its conventional military power. It is known for its legendary resistance to invading forces. NEVER use Afghanistan as an analogy for arguments.

Iraq military power was inflated so much to justify the Invasion, the real reason is the fears of Israel (Userael) from nuclear bombs that Iraq succeed in designing, many Iraqi nuclear scientists were assassinated by Mossad in Europe prior to all of these events.

Iranian military power is also being inflated to justify military assault on it under the banner of promoting peace while the real reason is to secure Israeli, Arab, and US interests in the region. Many Iranian scientists have been assassinated too and Mossad is blamed. Iranian nuclear infrastructure has been infected with Stuxnet malware. And threat of a bombing raid also looms over iranian nuclear infrastructure. Can you note some similarities?

During the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was taken by surprise while at its weakest state militarily and economically, and the policies of divide and conquer of the west came into play by "arming" Saddam to the teeth with weapons his army couldn't use in combat -technologically speaking-, so, apart from the republican guard (a few armoured divisions) there were no well educated and well trained soldiers, only soldiers trained in tranche warfare, thus very vulnerable to air strikes and modern warfare.

Iranians were initially taken by surprise but managed to pull through after 2 years period. The fact that Iran managed to fight Iraq for such a long time is an indication of its competency rather then incompetency. However, Iraq also possessed limited offensive capabilities during this war. Saddam wanted to address this weakness by significantly improving and increasing the size of his military through all the aid he was getting from allies while keeping Iran busy with only a part of his military. This became apparent when Iraq emerged as the fourth largest military force in the world in 1990. Kuwait was invaded soon afterwards. And Saudi Arabia was probably next. Saddam terrorized almost entire Middle East.

Compare to Iran today, I will let you deduct you own conclusions about why the US hesitated many times in this case!

Only reason is that Saddam kept US busy. Now he is no longer an issue and Iran is getting all the attention. Also, US military action against Iran during 1988, played a vital role in knocking some sense in Iranian leadership to end the bloody war with Iraq on negotiation table.

you are either day dreaming or have no clue, Iran will not only block the strait but also will destroy all oil facilities in ME & plus its own oil facilities will get destroyed it will take months if not years, thought of this sends shivers through my spine, imagine the world without oil, there will be complete breakdown of adminstrative infrastructure, break down civil in infrastructre, break down of law & order, complete choas & riots in every street of the world, i am not sure how many countries will break into pieces if this really happens.

Iran can block Hormuz but cannot hold the blockage for long. It will last a few days at maximum.

Also, Iran is not the only oil producing country in the world. Libya will be used to offset Iranian loss. Notice the planning?

if this is not a recepie for ww3 what is then? lol

This is not recipe for WW3.

India may not as it might quietly give in to US pressure but china & russia will intervene, they have to protect themselves cuz after iran it would be india/china/russia in that line.

No one will intervene. This is hogwash. Neither Russia and nor China have proper foothold in Persian Gulf region.

on a general note, USA is the mighty daddy here it can crush/defeat iran but USA is also very calculative about the aftermath, so the sanctions has always been the option, why don't u lot support USA with regards to Iran? it will be more easy to bring down Iran if you guys obliged with USA.

Iran will have a regime change, USA will install its friendly ally in power, india will get more oil contracts?

US is waiting for the right moment and excuse. Libyan and Iraqi operations have set the stage for assault on Iran; Saddam is gone and Libya is under Western grasp. Previously, it was an issue for the WEST to find an alternative for Iranian oil imports in case of hostilities. Libya is the alternative. Iranian leadership should be extremely careful.

 

[Hossein2]

Yes Iran is so strong that in 8 years it could not defeat Iraq and USA defeated Iraq in 100 hours.

As for Hezbollah, Israel lost 148 Soldiers while Lebanon suffered over 1,000 deaths and half of Lebanon was destroyed. Some victory.

Iran is no match for USA. Infact, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and even Saudi Arabia are all more militarily powerful than Iran.

Alright genius you showed us all how you are smart!First have some study about Iran war.
All the major powers were helping Iraq and no one even supplied us with bullets.You think it is hard to defeat Iraq after sanctions and not supporting them?You think, that Iraq was as strong as the Iraq which attacked us?Please think for one small moment and don't show your surprising IQ again.
Your last sentence is completely thinkable and has many many points behind it.Thank you!!!!!!!

Is this what you call Persian comedy?
Fishing boates with machine guns is NOT a navy.
Well, maybe in Iranian standerds.


Finally!!!
An Israeli admission of the Iranian positive role for its security.
Saved post.

Whatever it is,It is better than yours so it's better for you to think about your own royal NAVY!

 

[Hossein2]

I dont worry, you are doing what u are suppose to do: splitting the Arab world by supporting crazy Syrian killer.


IRAN STRONG!!1111!! It does not afraid to shoot student girls11111!!!! And use children as human waves.


His-blah is busy shooting Syrian protestors now and their leader hides under ground for 6 years already.

You know from where we found out we should support Asad?Since you supported the protesters!
When have you supported Muslims once to consider it as your second time?You just want to achieve your own goals.You are not worried about Syrians!